Veterinary technology has advanced to the point where said horses are more valuable kept alive for breeding than destroyed.rawls2 wrote:
You freakin eat burgers and steaks everyday, so wtf? I saw the video and thats not part of the show. You can even see how the handlers are trying to kill it quickly. Bottom line is its a sport. You don't taalk shit about race horses who suffeer a bunch of horrible accidents just to be killeed when they can't race. Racsist bastards.Erkut.hv wrote:
Yeah, kind of like kids who grow up with KKK parents. It's all they know, right?eagles1106 wrote:
Guys, I dont like what they do as much as you, but you must understand something. When you grow up with a tradition, you view it as being ok and nothing bad.
"We burn crosses, because it's what our pappy's done did. That and lynching, all tradition. Nothing wrong with that, right?"
Viva Mexico!!
Well you still eat cow right? The only luxury is not seeing how the patties are processed.unnamednewbie13 wrote:
Veterinary technology has advanced to the point where said horses are more valuable kept alive for breeding than destroyed.rawls2 wrote:
You freakin eat burgers and steaks everyday, so wtf? I saw the video and thats not part of the show. You can even see how the handlers are trying to kill it quickly. Bottom line is its a sport. You don't taalk shit about race horses who suffeer a bunch of horrible accidents just to be killeed when they can't race. Racsist bastards.Erkut.hv wrote:
Yeah, kind of like kids who grow up with KKK parents. It's all they know, right?
"We burn crosses, because it's what our pappy's done did. That and lynching, all tradition. Nothing wrong with that, right?"
Viva Mexico!!
Far more humane than what's in the video. The cows don't suffer in beef processing like the bull did. No glory in drawing it out. Kill it and be done. I don't toy with a deer after I've shot it. If the first shot didn't take it down I put it down right away. Rather than poking at it and watching it slowly die.rawls2 wrote:
Well you still eat cow right? The only luxury is not seeing how the patties are processed.
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They should do that to their own people and not helpless animals. F^ck thier tradition. It's torture and animal cruelty.
Good god, its a Spanish tradition thats been around for a few hundred years, get over it.
And yes, fuck you PETA, you cant jar tradition, I dont give a rats ass how hard you try.
And yes, fuck you PETA, you cant jar tradition, I dont give a rats ass how hard you try.
This is one of those rare moments where I agree with you....d3v1ldr1v3r13 wrote:
Good god, its a Spanish tradition thats been around for a few hundred years, get over it.
And yes, fuck you PETA, you cant jar tradition, I dont give a rats ass how hard you try.
I wrote:Dec45 wrote:
Well then, I guess that does prove all of my points wrong by my mislabeling.Scorpion0x17 wrote:
(highlights and emphasis added by me)Dec45 wrote:
The U.S is regulated too, and that's not stopping anything. I can't make an educated statement on how the U.K treats its meat. But no, it's not a minority. Almost all slaughterhouses pump growth hormones into their meat, and to more species then just chicken. Almost all slaughterhouses don't accommodate the proper amount of space for its vast number of animals. Almost all slaughterhouses have large numbers of animals who end up lame or crippled. That video points out problems that occur in all slaughterhouses, just in varying degrees and number. There is nothing humane about the definition of a slaughterhouse. It's systematically killing a mass amount of life, in a predetermined amount of time. Hell, did you watch that video and hear the official numbers? That's a lot of animals. Let's not be neglectful because of wishful thinking. It is a prominent problem.
Thankyou. You have just demonstrated what a complete and utter lack of knowledge you really have on the subject. Slaughterhouses do no such thing. Slaughterhouses kill the animals that have been raised on FARMS. Factory farms do that sort of thing. Not slaughterhouses.
http://www.pointlesswasteoftime.com/monkeysphere.html
Well... Actually it doesn't. In fact, it doesn't prove anything except that I mislabeled.
I also completely don't understand how that monkeysphere link was relevant to anything I said. Enlighten me.
You wrote:Scorpion0x17 wrote:
...The real cruelty in modern meat production is not in the slaughterhouses it's in things like factory farmed chickens...
I'm not surprised you didn't understand the monkeysphere link.Dec45 wrote:
...slaughterhouses... ...slaughterhouses... ...slaughterhouses... ...slaughterhouses...
my anus is bleeding...
now you know why the US is building a giant fence.
Oh I understood the monkeysphere link. What I didn't understand was its relativity to my posts. I don't find slaughterhouses and factory farms synonymous, and I realize the mistake in my labeling. But I don't see much difference in their relationship, seeing as they work together towards the same goal. There's a difference from being an asshole and grouping things together that are hardly related, and then grouping things together that actually work together.Scorpion0x17 wrote:
I wrote:Dec45 wrote:
Well then, I guess that does prove all of my points wrong by my mislabeling.Scorpion0x17 wrote:
(highlights and emphasis added by me)
Thankyou. You have just demonstrated what a complete and utter lack of knowledge you really have on the subject. Slaughterhouses do no such thing. Slaughterhouses kill the animals that have been raised on FARMS. Factory farms do that sort of thing. Not slaughterhouses.
http://www.pointlesswasteoftime.com/monkeysphere.html
Well... Actually it doesn't. In fact, it doesn't prove anything except that I mislabeled.
I also completely don't understand how that monkeysphere link was relevant to anything I said. Enlighten me.You wrote:Scorpion0x17 wrote:
...The real cruelty in modern meat production is not in the slaughterhouses it's in things like factory farmed chickens...I'm not surprised you didn't understand the monkeysphere link.Dec45 wrote:
...slaughterhouses... ...slaughterhouses... ...slaughterhouses... ...slaughterhouses...
Exactly, I have to +1 the clean or fast kill. Its the way i was brought up also.Stingray24 wrote:
Far more humane than what's in the video. The cows don't suffer in beef processing like the bull did. No glory in drawing it out. Kill it and be done. I don't toy with a deer after I've shot it. If the first shot didn't take it down I put it down right away. Rather than poking at it and watching it slowly die.rawls2 wrote:
Well you still eat cow right? The only luxury is not seeing how the patties are processed.
That's horrible - that poor bull.
Now I don't feel bad when I see matadors get 12 inches of bull horn up their a$$. F*ckers.
Now I don't feel bad when I see matadors get 12 inches of bull horn up their a$$. F*ckers.
As said, the video was a fuckup, usually its a quick kill. As said, Meat Processing is more humane (not entirely humane, though). As for Tradition.... Bring back the colusseum and galdiator fights, A bull basically being picked on isn't really fair. I doubt the bull could give a fuck (if it could even understand) that hes being slaughtered out of respect.
Judge "John Wayne Gacy, you are charged with multiple homicide, how do you plead?"
JWG:" Guilty your honor, but I respected each and every one of them"
Judge "Case dismissed"
So, if its gore ands slaughter, repair the colosseum and re open that bitch.Two grown men duking it out for the win of life, that's good wholesome tradition, a bit more fair too. I didn't shed a tear for that bull,but I did feel a little bad.
I love meat, Im glad im not the one killing said meat. I find a little comfort in the idea that my burger was killed quickly, but its kinda bad that it was put to death for me. But if im gonna go bleeding heart about it, I guess I should stop wiping my ass (poor trees), swatting flies (poor hungry flies) and help to promote not curing cancer (poor mutated cells, they didn't mean too).
Animal cruelty sucks, but it will always be there. Id like to think that there is global attempts to minimize it. but an instance like this video still happens. Feel bad for it, carry on with life.
Judge "John Wayne Gacy, you are charged with multiple homicide, how do you plead?"
JWG:" Guilty your honor, but I respected each and every one of them"
Judge "Case dismissed"
So, if its gore ands slaughter, repair the colosseum and re open that bitch.Two grown men duking it out for the win of life, that's good wholesome tradition, a bit more fair too. I didn't shed a tear for that bull,but I did feel a little bad.
I love meat, Im glad im not the one killing said meat. I find a little comfort in the idea that my burger was killed quickly, but its kinda bad that it was put to death for me. But if im gonna go bleeding heart about it, I guess I should stop wiping my ass (poor trees), swatting flies (poor hungry flies) and help to promote not curing cancer (poor mutated cells, they didn't mean too).
Animal cruelty sucks, but it will always be there. Id like to think that there is global attempts to minimize it. but an instance like this video still happens. Feel bad for it, carry on with life.
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1. The monkeysphere applies to animals too (which is more of a general point, than a reply to your posts).Dec45 wrote:
Oh I understood the monkeysphere link. What I didn't understand was its relativity to my posts.Scorpion0x17 wrote:
I wrote:Dec45 wrote:
Well then, I guess that does prove all of my points wrong by my mislabeling.
Well... Actually it doesn't. In fact, it doesn't prove anything except that I mislabeled.
I also completely don't understand how that monkeysphere link was relevant to anything I said. Enlighten me.You wrote:Scorpion0x17 wrote:
...The real cruelty in modern meat production is not in the slaughterhouses it's in things like factory farmed chickens...I'm not surprised you didn't understand the monkeysphere link.Dec45 wrote:
...slaughterhouses... ...slaughterhouses... ...slaughterhouses... ...slaughterhouses...
2. The meat production industry is clearly outside your monkeysphere (which is directly related to your posts).
Labeling is important when we're dealing with issues like animal cruelty. Yes farms and slaughterhouses work together, but the important point is that, as I have said before, the cruelty in modern meat production comes from the many factory farms, not from the majority of slaughterhouses (of course some are the worst examples of slaughterhouses out there and that minority of bad examples should be criticised), but saying that slaughterhouses in general should be responsible in anyway for the cruelty imposed on the animals it kills by the farms from which those animals came is like saying that the postal service should share responsibility for the acts of the unabomber.Dec45 wrote:
I don't find slaughterhouses and factory farms synonymous, and I realize the mistake in my labeling. But I don't see much difference in their relationship, seeing as they work together towards the same goal. There's a difference from being an asshole and grouping things together that are hardly related, and then grouping things together that actually work together.
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I love steak
The reason I associated the two so closely, is because I'm looking at two entities that work towards the same goal and are both criticized for mistreating the same 'products'. That's entirely different from associating two completely different things, out of ignorance. They're not that different. My point stood, despite my mislabeling.Scorpion0x17 wrote:
1. The monkeysphere applies to animals too (which is more of a general point, than a reply to your posts).Dec45 wrote:
Oh I understood the monkeysphere link. What I didn't understand was its relativity to my posts.Scorpion0x17 wrote:
I wrote:Dec45 wrote:
Well then, I guess that does prove all of my points wrong by my mislabeling.
Well... Actually it doesn't. In fact, it doesn't prove anything except that I mislabeled.
I also completely don't understand how that monkeysphere link was relevant to anything I said. Enlighten me.You wrote:Scorpion0x17 wrote:
...The real cruelty in modern meat production is not in the slaughterhouses it's in things like factory farmed chickens...
I'm not surprised you didn't understand the monkeysphere link.
2. The meat production industry is clearly outside your monkeysphere (which is directly related to your posts).Labeling is important when we're dealing with issues like animal cruelty. Yes farms and slaughterhouses work together, but the important point is that, as I have said before, the cruelty in modern meat production comes from the many factory farms, not from the majority of slaughterhouses (of course some are the worst examples of slaughterhouses out there and that minority of bad examples should be criticised), but saying that slaughterhouses in general should be responsible in anyway for the cruelty imposed on the animals it kills by the farms from which those animals came is like saying that the postal service should share responsibility for the acts of the unabomber.Dec45 wrote:
I don't find slaughterhouses and factory farms synonymous, and I realize the mistake in my labeling. But I don't see much difference in their relationship, seeing as they work together towards the same goal. There's a difference from being an asshole and grouping things together that are hardly related, and then grouping things together that actually work together.
Your analogy of the postal service and slaughterhouses is poor at best. The postal service wasn't knowingly taking bombs and sending them to people. The slaughterhouses are knowingly taking mistreated animals, and sending them to markets.
no
You can't say that - we don't know how much any slaughterhouse knows about the care of the animals it processes before they come through the front door.Dec45 wrote:
The slaughterhouses are knowingly taking mistreated animals, and sending them to markets.
Now, becuase they're just businesses, we can say that the majority of them almost certainly just don't care - they exist primarily to make money. An animal is just an animal to them. They kill it, they process it, they sell it on. They don't care what happened before that.
Just like the postal service - who take in letters, parcels and packages, process and deliver them. That's all they care about. They don't check what's inside the parcels because they don't care what's inside the parcels.
(Edit: the monkeysphere link applies here too)
Slaughterhouses are as blameless for what goes on in factory farms as the postal service is for the unabomber attacks. They are equivalent situations.
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I always heard, that Spain and the Spanish were so proud of that old tradition with bullfighting and matadors... boy, were they wrong!! did you guys see how many empty seats, there was at the stadium??? and most of the spectators were only tourists...
and personally I don't think a bull being stabbed to death is ANY worse, than eg. a lion killing an impala and eating and tearing it apart with the teeth's, while the impala is still alive..
and personally I don't think a bull being stabbed to death is ANY worse, than eg. a lion killing an impala and eating and tearing it apart with the teeth's, while the impala is still alive..
I noticed and commented on that. Everone else seems to have ignored it.I_invented_BF2 wrote:
I always heard, that Spain and the Spanish were so proud of that old tradition with bullfighting and matadors... boy, were they wrong!! did you guys see how many empty seats, there was at the stadium??? and most of the spectators were only tourists...
The difference is the lion has no choice. It is a creature of instinct. It kills it eats.I_invented_BF2 wrote:
and personally I don't think a bull being stabbed to death is ANY worse, than eg. a lion killing an impala and eating and tearing it apart with the teeth's, while the impala is still alive..
We however have the capability to think outside of our own monkeyspheres.
No. The postal service takes many measures to ensure contraband doesn't pass through. From bombs to drugs, these things are attempted to be caught. If they're not caught, then it's because the postal service missed them on accident. I highly doubt the postal service is neglectful of the fact its entire purpose is to make sure only legit mail is being sent. A slaughterhouse, as you eloquently put it, is about money. They don't give a fuck. They're not synonymous.Scorpion0x17 wrote:
You can't say that - we don't know how much any slaughterhouse knows about the care of the animals it processes before they come through the front door.Dec45 wrote:
The slaughterhouses are knowingly taking mistreated animals, and sending them to markets.
Now, becuase they're just businesses, we can say that the majority of them almost certainly just don't care - they exist primarily to make money. An animal is just an animal to them. They kill it, they process it, they sell it on. They don't care what happened before that.
Just like the postal service - who take in letters, parcels and packages, process and deliver them. That's all they care about. They don't check what's inside the parcels because they don't care what's inside the parcels.
(Edit: the monkeysphere link applies here too)
Slaughterhouses are as blameless for what goes on in factory farms as the postal service is for the unabomber attacks. They are equivalent situations.
You say "The postal service takes many measures to ensure contraband doesn't pass through", yet the unabomber's bombs passed through, packages of anthrax and other assorted white powders passed through.Dec45 wrote:
No. The postal service takes many measures to ensure contraband doesn't pass through. From bombs to drugs, these things are attempted to be caught. If they're not caught, then it's because the postal service missed them on accident. I highly doubt the postal service is neglectful of the fact its entire purpose is to make sure only legit mail is being sent. A slaughterhouse, as you eloquently put it, is about money. They don't give a fuck. They're not synonymous.Scorpion0x17 wrote:
You can't say that - we don't know how much any slaughterhouse knows about the care of the animals it processes before they come through the front door.Dec45 wrote:
The slaughterhouses are knowingly taking mistreated animals, and sending them to markets.
Now, becuase they're just businesses, we can say that the majority of them almost certainly just don't care - they exist primarily to make money. An animal is just an animal to them. They kill it, they process it, they sell it on. They don't care what happened before that.
Just like the postal service - who take in letters, parcels and packages, process and deliver them. That's all they care about. They don't check what's inside the parcels because they don't care what's inside the parcels.
(Edit: the monkeysphere link applies here too)
Slaughterhouses are as blameless for what goes on in factory farms as the postal service is for the unabomber attacks. They are equivalent situations.
The postal service is also a business. It also exists primarly to make money. It also doesn't give a fuck. It is synonymous.
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