Of your list could you tell me who were the atheists?Des.Kmal wrote:
ok, sounds good.
Rwnadan Genocide.
Darfur genocide.
World War 1
World War II
Vietnam War
I could go on.
Poll
Who has Committed the Worst Crimes in History?
| Religious People | 69% | 69% - 83 | ||||
| Agnostic/Atheist People | 9% | 9% - 11 | ||||
| Both | 21% | 21% - 26 | ||||
| Total: 120 | ||||||
kmal, please do go on. I want an exhaustive list of mass atheistic crimes.
and for you sergeriver:
and for you sergeriver:
Source, please!sergeriver wrote:
Almost 20% of the World population is non religious people.
Well, not atheists per say, they were not started over Religion, so why does it matter? I thought that was the point, the cause not the means or religion.sergeriver wrote:
Of your list could you tell me who were the atheists?Des.Kmal wrote:
ok, sounds good.
Rwnadan Genocide.
Darfur genocide.
World War 1
World War II
Vietnam War
I could go on.
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At a time when the earth is at its most advanced era, 80% of the inhabitants are still religious (using your numbers). I would bet my right testicle that the percentage has always been even higher in the past.sergeriver wrote:
Almost 20% of the people is agnostic/atheist. That's today. I can't say in the past. But 20% seems like 1,2 billion people.weamo8 wrote:
If you could count, probably 98% of people who have ever lived have been religious. I think that makes it pretty obvious. For all intents and purposes, atheism is fairly rare. It takes a pretty advanced civilization to produce atheists, and there haven't been many of those.Probably religious.weamo8 wrote:
Have religious people or atheists done more good deeds in the world?
All I am saying is that because the vast, vast majority of the earths inhabitants have been religious, it is not logically fair to suggest that because more bad things have been done by religious people than atheists, atheists are better or more peace loving or whatever (if you think this poll is trying to suggest something besides this you need to open your eyes).
Humans have done more evil things than monkeys. That doesnt mean that monkeys are better than humans.
Besides sergeriver, there is atheists and religious people involved in everything so there is atheists involved in your list also.
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Tough question.
Religious people ahve probably disposed of morte people but perhaps godless heathens were more cruel about it.
Religious people ahve probably disposed of morte people but perhaps godless heathens were more cruel about it.
The poll says Who has Committed the Worst Crimes in History?Des.Kmal wrote:
Well, not atheists per say, they were not started over Religion, so why does it matter? I thought that was the point, the cause not the means or religion.sergeriver wrote:
Of your list could you tell me who were the atheists?Des.Kmal wrote:
ok, sounds good.
Rwnadan Genocide.
Darfur genocide.
World War 1
World War II
Vietnam War
I could go on.
Religious or Agnostic/Atheist People
I don't ask about the causes. But you are partly right, there are examples of atheists doing bad things too: Stalin, Pol Pot.
hmm, which specific group has cause the most problems? correct? then why is both an answer? lmaosergeriver wrote:
The poll says Who has Committed the Worst Crimes in History?Des.Kmal wrote:
Well, not atheists per say, they were not started over Religion, so why does it matter? I thought that was the point, the cause not the means or religion.sergeriver wrote:
Of your list could you tell me who were the atheists?
Religious or Agnostic/Atheist People
I don't ask about the causes. But you are partly right, there are examples of atheists doing bad things too: Stalin, Pol Pot.
anyway, the most problems were caused by religious people, almost no doubt, because fighting for your religion is alot more important than fighting for yourself.
that said, most of the religious conflicts were well due.
never mind, let me get this straight sergeriver, it matters the religion of the person, NOT what happened because of the religion he is? wtf.
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The both option makes it fair enough, I mean you have the religious, non and both. Then people voted.Des.Kmal wrote:
hmm, which specific group has cause the most problems? correct? then why is both an answer? lmaosergeriver wrote:
The poll says Who has Committed the Worst Crimes in History?Des.Kmal wrote:
Well, not atheists per say, they were not started over Religion, so why does it matter? I thought that was the point, the cause not the means or religion.
Religious or Agnostic/Atheist People
I don't ask about the causes. But you are partly right, there are examples of atheists doing bad things too: Stalin, Pol Pot.
anyway, the most problems were caused by religious people, almost no doubt, because fighting for your religion is alot more important than fighting for yourself.
that said, most of the religious conflicts were well due.
never mind, let me get this straight sergeriver, it matters the religion of the person, NOT what happened because of the religion he is? wtf.
The point here should be: it doesn't matter what good things religion can teach you, the most religious people could be very evil people. So, I find organized religion hypocrite. I respect all personal beliefs about faith and religion, but when it comes about organized religion that respect dissapears. History has shown a lot of atrocities and crimes committed in the name of God.
yo, fuck hitler and so on. CRUSADES....lets see, Roman rule (catholocism). IRELAND!?!?! honestly. whoever votes aethiest is a retard.
bah, still i dont understand the 'both' option. maybe im stupid, but it appears to me that both would negate the option, since they both cannot commit the worst crimes, it has to be one or the other.sergeriver wrote:
The both option makes it fair enough, I mean you have the religious, non and both. Then people voted.Des.Kmal wrote:
hmm, which specific group has cause the most problems? correct? then why is both an answer? lmaosergeriver wrote:
The poll says Who has Committed the Worst Crimes in History?
Religious or Agnostic/Atheist People
I don't ask about the causes. But you are partly right, there are examples of atheists doing bad things too: Stalin, Pol Pot.
anyway, the most problems were caused by religious people, almost no doubt, because fighting for your religion is alot more important than fighting for yourself.
that said, most of the religious conflicts were well due.
never mind, let me get this straight sergeriver, it matters the religion of the person, NOT what happened because of the religion he is? wtf.
The point here should be: it doesn't matter what good things religion can teach you, the most religious people could be very evil people. So, I find organized religion hypocrite. I respect all personal beliefs about faith and religion, but when it comes about organized religion that respect dissapears. History has shown a lot of atrocities and crimes committed in the name of God.
anyway, on to the other thing, if the religion, i.e. Christianity, isnt done right, then yes, it is hypocrite, but if it is done correctly, then no.
besides, i would/will/probably am going to fight for God soon, and i will in a heartbeat, same for all religious people, evil and good. they will fight for that they believe in, and if you/atheist people dont like it, or disagree.... oh well.
but if you dont fight for what you believe in, then you might as well not believe anything.
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I'm agnostic not atheist. And I respect your opinion, although I don't share it, so don't take it personal. This is debate, two persons with different viewpoints who can still change thoughts.Des.Kmal wrote:
bah, still i dont understand the 'both' option. maybe im stupid, but it appears to me that both would negate the option, since they both cannot commit the worst crimes, it has to be one or the other.sergeriver wrote:
The both option makes it fair enough, I mean you have the religious, non and both. Then people voted.Des.Kmal wrote:
hmm, which specific group has cause the most problems? correct? then why is both an answer? lmao
anyway, the most problems were caused by religious people, almost no doubt, because fighting for your religion is alot more important than fighting for yourself.
that said, most of the religious conflicts were well due.
never mind, let me get this straight sergeriver, it matters the religion of the person, NOT what happened because of the religion he is? wtf.
The point here should be: it doesn't matter what good things religion can teach you, the most religious people could be very evil people. So, I find organized religion hypocrite. I respect all personal beliefs about faith and religion, but when it comes about organized religion that respect dissapears. History has shown a lot of atrocities and crimes committed in the name of God.
anyway, on to the other thing, if the religion, i.e. Christianity, isnt done right, then yes, it is hypocrite, but if it is done correctly, then no.
besides, i would/will/probably am going to fight for God soon, and i will in a heartbeat, same for all religious people, evil and good. they will fight for that they believe in, and if you/atheist people dont like it, or disagree.... oh well.
but if you dont fight for what you believe in, then you might as well not believe anything.
true true, i respect yours too.sergeriver wrote:
I'm agnostic not atheist. And I respect your opinion, although I don't share it, so don't take it personal. This is debate, two persons with different viewpoints who can still change thoughts.Des.Kmal wrote:
bah, still i dont understand the 'both' option. maybe im stupid, but it appears to me that both would negate the option, since they both cannot commit the worst crimes, it has to be one or the other.sergeriver wrote:
The both option makes it fair enough, I mean you have the religious, non and both. Then people voted.
The point here should be: it doesn't matter what good things religion can teach you, the most religious people could be very evil people. So, I find organized religion hypocrite. I respect all personal beliefs about faith and religion, but when it comes about organized religion that respect dissapears. History has shown a lot of atrocities and crimes committed in the name of God.
anyway, on to the other thing, if the religion, i.e. Christianity, isnt done right, then yes, it is hypocrite, but if it is done correctly, then no.
besides, i would/will/probably am going to fight for God soon, and i will in a heartbeat, same for all religious people, evil and good. they will fight for that they believe in, and if you/atheist people dont like it, or disagree.... oh well.
but if you dont fight for what you believe in, then you might as well not believe anything.
btw, not to be ignorant or anything, but how big od a dif is there between atheists and agnostic people?
besides, one of my friends is agnostic.
http://myspace-407.vo.llnwd.net/01356/7 … 2407_l.jpg
they cant be too bad right?
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While I believe that religion is often the source of evil (like fundamentalist Islam), I think the Communist regimes of the past century have proven that atheists are just as capable of evil as the religious.
I think agnostics probably are least prone to evil, but that's because their mindset is usually less judgmental. I'm an atheist myself, but I used to be agnostic. When I was agnostic, I was generally a less judgmental and probably less aggressive person, but I still choose atheism for personal reasons....
I think agnostics probably are least prone to evil, but that's because their mindset is usually less judgmental. I'm an atheist myself, but I used to be agnostic. When I was agnostic, I was generally a less judgmental and probably less aggressive person, but I still choose atheism for personal reasons....
Atheists don't believe in God at all, while agnostics have no certain knowledge of his existence.Des.Kmal wrote:
true true, i respect yours too.sergeriver wrote:
I'm agnostic not atheist. And I respect your opinion, although I don't share it, so don't take it personal. This is debate, two persons with different viewpoints who can still change thoughts.Des.Kmal wrote:
bah, still i dont understand the 'both' option. maybe im stupid, but it appears to me that both would negate the option, since they both cannot commit the worst crimes, it has to be one or the other.
anyway, on to the other thing, if the religion, i.e. Christianity, isnt done right, then yes, it is hypocrite, but if it is done correctly, then no.
besides, i would/will/probably am going to fight for God soon, and i will in a heartbeat, same for all religious people, evil and good. they will fight for that they believe in, and if you/atheist people dont like it, or disagree.... oh well.
but if you dont fight for what you believe in, then you might as well not believe anything.
btw, not to be ignorant or anything, but how big od a dif is there between atheists and agnostic people?
besides, one of my friends is agnostic.
http://myspace-407.vo.llnwd.net/01356/7 … 2407_l.jpg
they cant be too bad right?
QFTweamo8 wrote:
At a time when the earth is at its most advanced era, 80% of the inhabitants are still religious (using your numbers). I would bet my right testicle that the percentage has always been even higher in the past.sergeriver wrote:
Almost 20% of the people is agnostic/atheist. That's today. I can't say in the past. But 20% seems like 1,2 billion people.weamo8 wrote:
If you could count, probably 98% of people who have ever lived have been religious. I think that makes it pretty obvious. For all intents and purposes, atheism is fairly rare. It takes a pretty advanced civilization to produce atheists, and there haven't been many of those.Probably religious.weamo8 wrote:
Have religious people or atheists done more good deeds in the world?
All I am saying is that because the vast, vast majority of the earths inhabitants have been religious, it is not logically fair to suggest that because more bad things have been done by religious people than atheists, atheists are better or more peace loving or whatever (if you think this poll is trying to suggest something besides this you need to open your eyes).
Humans have done more evil things than monkeys. That doesnt mean that monkeys are better than humans.
europeans
<looks for a picture of the human torch>
<looks for a picture of the human torch>
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