Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6875|132 and Bush

Deployment of U.S. Missile Defense in Europe Is Threat to Russia — Military Chief

A top Russian general said his country would view the planned deployment of U.S. missile defense components in eastern and central Europe as a security threat and take retaliatory measures, according to an article published Tuesday and quoted by AP.
http://www.mosnews.com/news/2006/10/18/usthreat.shtml
Xbone Stormsurgezz
Elamdri
The New Johnnie Cochran
+134|6920|Peoria
*Cough* what did I say again?

Elamdri wrote:

In reality, the problem with ABMs isn't really the cost though, it is the destabilizing effect that it has on the international system. If you build ABMs, then China, Russia, Britain, France, India, Pakistan, and all the other nuclear equipped countries suddenly have to come to terms with the fact that the US has the ability to nuke them, without fear of retaliation.

This is why counterforce weaponry is inherently destablizing and why countervalue weaponry is inherently stablizing.
oh yeah....

...it feels good to be right.
kr@cker
Bringin' Sexy Back!
+581|6823|Southeastern USA
*cough* what did i say again?

kr@cker wrote:

as predicted the whole "don't defend yourself, they'll think of another way" argument keeps coming up


Don't lock your door, they'll just come in through the window
oh yeah....

...it feels good to be right.
Elamdri
The New Johnnie Cochran
+134|6920|Peoria
Kracker, join me on my yatch for martini's this weekend?
kr@cker
Bringin' Sexy Back!
+581|6823|Southeastern USA
oooOOOooo.........i didn't know you were single...........if you weren't and had a yacht i'd still do you
Elamdri
The New Johnnie Cochran
+134|6920|Peoria
lol, that made my night.
OliTz
Member
+12|6654
Can a missle stabilize a country sitting on at least 25% of the worlds oil? No it cant. A missle can't stop a terrorist from walking into a building and blowing himself up. Iraq needs a strong and steady government because with out, there oil's practically free to attack, but this is most likely not going to happen, since even if our Military does leave Iraq i'm sure we'd still have security forces guarding the oil fields, any any facilitys pertaining to Oil in Iraq, and possibly beyond.

Missle defense systems are used to counter enemy missle attacks as well as halt enemy invasions.
Same as what Russia did. Nuclear missles weren't the only missles in Cuba, they had short range, yet extremely powerful missles to counter any attempted landings by our Military to land on Cuba during the Missle Crisis.

Any American who doesn't support a missle program, republican or not, obviously isn't an American.
The world we live in today requires us (The USA) to have a powerful and intimidating missle program, so I can't see why Democrats wouldnt support it.

In the perfect world a missle program wouldn't be neccasary, but we dont live in this world.
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Now other countries wanting to build them (N. Korea & Iran...possibly more) present a huge issue. There governments not neccasarily stable and both are homicidal maniacs. I mean c'mon, one denys the massacre of Jews by Hitler and the other starves his people to fund these programs...go fucking figure.

When Iran's president stated "Why can the US have Nukes, but we can not, what makes the US so special?" it was obvious he was being arrogant. The USA has a strong and steady government, were a country capable of handling Nukes and keeping them safe from prying hands.

Countries such as Iran and N. Korea are certainly not ready nor capable of such a heavy burden.

Last edited by OliTz (2006-11-13 23:17:56)

OliTz
Member
+12|6654
And this-

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I mean, if we had a working missile defense system, then we wouldn't have to go and fight wars like Iraq or Iran?
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was a very arrogant thing to say.
Missles can only do so much, it takes the human touch to revive a country and keep it steady and strong.

Last edited by OliTz (2006-11-13 23:21:40)

OliTz
Member
+12|6654
Sorry for triple post, but one last thing to say....

Its extremely difficult shooting down a missle, especially one nuclear tipped.
There are 3 stages to a nuclear missle.

1- Launch of the missle
2. Missle enters atmosphere
3. Missle decends and Nuclear cansister leaves missle, plunging towards its target.

In case you didnt know, the entire missle does not strike the target, only the tip (nuke) strikes it target.

Now the new missle defense system is aiming at finding ways to destroy a missle at all 3 stages. The last stage is the most difficult because strikeing a nuclear cansister going 10k+ MPH isnt easy, even with the best of technology its difficult.

Its like getting a hole in one while hitting a golf ball from los angeles to new york, while the cups moving.

Understand, good.
GorillaTicTacs
Member
+231|6647|Kyiv, Ukraine
Without credible evidence that rival super-powers are also obtaining these miraculous defense systems, why should we invest in this?  This is just the kick-off to Cold War II, where trillions of dollars were poured into defense contractors' pockets in order to compete with "those other guys" in how many times we could nuke the world over.

Laser defense system for USA -> More nukes need to be made by Russia and China to keep up -> more nukes for USA to keep up -> more laser defense system in Russia and China -> more nukes -> more nukes -> one nuke goes missing...

So, who benefits?  Not the taxpayer/collective worker/proliteriat who foot the bill and the labor...

Don't tip the strategic balance we finally somewhat achieved, to do so will mean another 500% increase (conservative estimate) in our military budget over the next 40 years like the last 40.  Some people just don't like their money very much.

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