Please leave your tired prejudices and generalisations at the door before entering Debate And Serious Talk.lowing wrote:
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/11/14/iraq.main/index.html
There are those who want to rebuild Iraq, and those that want to keep it in shambles
and you can tell by the posts on this forum who the libs side with.
I've had a relatively drawn out debate with Lowing recently and I really tried very hard with him, I really did, and it remained quite civil but in the end degenerated into typical Lowing-speak (not directed at me - at another forum member but it rolled back on any progress he had made on the reasonabless front) . I've worked him out now. He is of the Bush mentality 'you're either with us or against us'. He is a dyed-in-the-wool 'two categorisations for everything' intransigent. Something most reasonable people would find hard to understand. Such a black-and-white view of the world is not helpful one bit. It can't be reasoned with and one should ask the question 'why bother?'. The only time one should bother with such a warped mentality is when someone like that gets into power.JahManRed wrote:
You really are a close minded generalizing little person. Not everyone is split between two camps you know.
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How so? If we were on the side of chaos, we'd be telling you that this was just a one off, and you should pull out more troops, thereby weakening your forces and helping to achieving victory for our Communa-Islamo-Fascist-Heretic-Traitor comrades.lowing wrote:
I offer bubbalo and Cameronpoe posts as perfect examples.
Basically you are saying reason with terrorists, negotiate with terrorists, appease terrorists.CameronPoe wrote:
I've had a relatively drawn out debate with Lowing recently and I really tried very hard with him, I really did, and it remained quite civil but in the end degenerated into typical Lowing-speak. I've worked him out now. He is of the Bush mentality 'you're either with us or against us'. Something most reasonable people would find hard to understand. Such a black-and-white view of the world is not helpful one bit. It can't be reasoned with and one should ask the question 'why bother?'. The only time one should bother with such a warped mentality is when someon like that gets into power.JahManRed wrote:
You really are a close minded generalizing little person. Not everyone is split between two camps you know.
No apparently we couldn't, but maybe with a little help from you sideliners that sit back eat popcorn and watch show and criticize perhaps we ALL could have.CameronPoe wrote:
If people like me, Bubbalo and JahManRed feel this way about the occupation you can be certain that actual Iraqis will be FAR FAR more irate. What benefit has there been? Little or none. You couldn't even prevent 150 people from being kidnapped. What is it you're doing there again?lowing wrote:
yeah, now you say shit like that.
Every other time it is an unjust war, Rumsfeld sucks, Bush sucks, American soldiers are mindless. This is the bullshit the coalition is trying to deal with in Iraq and all people like you have done is take cheap shots, and undermine the effort. I did not generalize anything, this is a fact on this forum.
Thank you for proving what I just said. A) I never said anything EVER about reasoning, negotiating or appeasing terrorists, B) you actually bare-facedly admitted being a mindless good-evil automaton incapable of differentiation or dealing with the inherent subtleties of 'grown up' argument and for that matter the intricacies of reading the English language text printed on the screen in front of you, C) where did I ever say kidnapping or civilan attacks was right (if you recall I think I reiterated my abhorration of such acts about 20 times in our latest debate).lowing wrote:
Basically you are saying reason with terrorists, negotiate with terrorists, appease terrorists.
See, to me this issue is black and white, there is no justifaction for the actions such as I posted, there is a wrong and a right. There is no, " sure they killed 300 people in cold blood including women and children, we just don't understand them is all they need attention."
If you have issues, you do not kidnap, behead, blow up people to be heard. But I guess the killing of so many innocents in Iraq by these groups is a shade of gray of what is right and wrong. Yup, I am proud to say that is a major difference between you and me. It is wrong find another way.
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We are all sitting eating popcorn because there is little we as individuals can do. We can however point out the obvious mistakes made so they aren't made again.lowing wrote:
No apparently we couldn't, but maybe with a little help from you sideliners that sit back eat popcorn and watch show and criticize perhaps we ALL could have.
I agree, because of Poe, Zephyr, JahManRed and Bubbalo's comments on this computer game forum, the entire effort to rebuild and restabalise Iraq has been undermined and now will never be successful.lowing wrote:
yeah, now you say shit like that.
Every other time it is an unjust war, Rumsfeld sucks, Bush sucks, American soldiers are mindless. This is the bullshit the coalition is trying to deal with in Iraq and all people like you have done is take cheap shots, and undermind the effort. I did not generalize anything, this is a fact on this forum.
Lowing, you only see facts black & white, and there is grey in almost everything dude.lowing wrote:
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/11/14/iraq.main/index.html
There are those who want to rebuild Iraq, and those that want to keep it in shambles
and you can tell by the posts on this forum who the libs side with.
You want the terrorist to win? How could you? You should be ashamed.kilgoretrout wrote:
Wait, wait. I'm a fiscal conservative and social liberal. Does that mean I want the terrorists to win, or not? I mean, on a lot of social topics, I guess I'm a "lib," but I don't side with the "libs" on a lot of fiscal subjects... Since the world is completely black and white, which side do I fall on?
Its quite obvious you want civilians to be murdered in Iraqi by Insurgents and Death squads.kilgoretrout wrote:
Wait, wait. I'm a fiscal conservative and social liberal. Does that mean I want the terrorists to win, or not? I mean, on a lot of social topics, I guess I'm a "lib," but I don't side with the "libs" on a lot of fiscal subjects... Since the world is completely black and white, which side do I fall on?
+1 for seeing the world as more than a simple black and white...JahManRed wrote:
Its quite obvious you want civilians to be murdered in Iraqi by Insurgents and Death squads.kilgoretrout wrote:
Wait, wait. I'm a fiscal conservative and social liberal. Does that mean I want the terrorists to win, or not? I mean, on a lot of social topics, I guess I'm a "lib," but I don't side with the "libs" on a lot of fiscal subjects... Since the world is completely black and white, which side do I fall on?
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DOh, i thought that was the point of this thread. ?CameronPoe wrote:
This is fast turning into an 'Annihilate Lowing' thread. He did bring it on himself though with the trailing sentence from his OP...
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Well, I really believe that a vast majority of people in the world fall into the "moderate" category, and if it's possible to tell what a person actually believes from some random internet forum, Lowing falls in the "fundamentalist" category, as a fundamentalist conservative... (Not that I think Annihilating him is a good idea, I just tend to disagree with the posts I've read from him because they generally break the world into simple black and white when the world is divided into subtle shades of grey in my opinion...)CameronPoe wrote:
This is fast turning into an 'Annihilate Lowing' thread.
i just recently came to realize this on the freedom of speech vs. right to bear arms thread.CameronPoe wrote:
I've had a relatively drawn out debate with Lowing recently and I really tried very hard with him, I really did, and it remained quite civil but in the end degenerated into typical Lowing-speak (not directed at me - at another forum member but it rolled back on any progress he had made on the reasonabless front) . I've worked him out now. He is of the Bush mentality 'you're either with us or against us'. He is a dyed-in-the-wool 'two categorisations for everything' intransigent. Something most reasonable people would find hard to understand. Such a black-and-white view of the world is not helpful one bit. It can't be reasoned with and one should ask the question 'why bother?'. The only time one should bother with such a warped mentality is when someone like that gets into power.JahManRed wrote:
You really are a close minded generalizing little person. Not everyone is split between two camps you know.
Well I have got 3 karma out of it so its not a total lose.CameronPoe wrote:
This is fast turning into an 'Annihilate Lowing' thread. He did bring it on himself though with the trailing sentence from his OP...
AND THE WINNER IS:Nicholas Langdon wrote:
i just recently came to realize this on the freedom of speech vs. right to bear arms thread.CameronPoe wrote:
I've had a relatively drawn out debate with Lowing recently and I really tried very hard with him, I really did, and it remained quite civil but in the end degenerated into typical Lowing-speak (not directed at me - at another forum member but it rolled back on any progress he had made on the reasonabless front) . I've worked him out now. He is of the Bush mentality 'you're either with us or against us'. He is a dyed-in-the-wool 'two categorisations for everything' intransigent. Something most reasonable people would find hard to understand. Such a black-and-white view of the world is not helpful one bit. It can't be reasoned with and one should ask the question 'why bother?'. The only time one should bother with such a warped mentality is when someone like that gets into power.JahManRed wrote:
You really are a close minded generalizing little person. Not everyone is split between two camps you know.
