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lowing wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

lowing wrote:

Nope I don't either, and as long as terrorists represent ANYONE as their legitimate voice they can expect no sympathy or understanding from me.

I don't really care if you recognize Fox News or not, just because it is on their website does not mean the story is a lie. You asked for who the Palistinians attacked other than Israel and I showed you.

The FOX story doesn't diminish my core belief in the righteousness of the Palestinian cause and the injustice of the Zionist one. Like I say - I distinguish by cause. Whether or not Palestinians are currently represented by what you might regard as terrorists doesn't influence that one bit.

Thats cool, you rationalize and justify terrorism and by endorsing the Palistinian govt. endorse terrorism. That is for you to sleep with, not me.

I think you'll find I reiterated about a gazillion times that I don't condone civilian targetting. I sleep soundly in the personal knowledge that I believe myself to be right and believe those Palestinians that take the fight to the Israeli military and security apparatus are in the right also - the freedom fighters: like George Washington & Padraig Pearse. I don't know where I said I 'endorsed' the current Palestinian government.

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lowing wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

lowing wrote:

Thats cool, you rationalize and justify terrorism and by endorsing the Palistinian govt. endorse terrorism. That is for you to sleep with, not me.

I think you'll find I reiterated about a gazillion times that I don't condone civilian targetting. I sleep soundly in the personal knowledge that I believe myself to be right and believe those Palestinians that take the fight to the Israeli military and security apparatus are in the right also - the freedom fighters: like George Washington & Padraig Pearse. I don't know where I said I 'endorsed' the current Palestinian government.

Yeah ok, first of all do NOT compare George Washington with terrorists. Washington NEVER targeted women and children for the cause. So don't even go there.

second. It is hard for me to understand, how you support Palastine, WITHOUT supporting their actions. They don't target the IDA, they target women and children. They launch attacks from amongst women and children. They hide from attacks under women and children. These are the people you support.

Your non-sense is the same as saying:  I hate snow, I hate presents, I hate Christmas trees, I hate Santa, but I absolutely love Christmas........It is rediculous.

Lowing they make plenty of attacks against the Israeli security forces, military outposts, barracks, etc. Those attacks are what I am condoning. I would also condone them attacking economic and infrastructural targets, something they have yet to properly engage in. I AM COMPARING THOSE PALESTINIANS THAT FIGHT 'FAIR' with the likes of Pearse and Washington.

lowing wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

lowing wrote:

Yeah ok, first of all do NOT compare George Washington with terrorists. Washington NEVER targeted women and children for the cause. So don't even go there.

second. It is hard for me to understand, how you support Palastine, WITHOUT supporting their actions. They don't target the IDA, they target women and children. They launch attacks from amongst women and children. They hide from attacks under women and children. These are the people you support.

Your non-sense is the same as saying:  I hate snow, I hate presents, I hate Christmas trees, I hate Santa, but I absolutely love Christmas........It is rediculous.

Lowing they make plenty of attacks against the Israeli security forces, military outposts, barracks, etc. Those attacks are what I am condoning. I would also condone them attacking economic and infrastructural targets, something they have yet to properly engage in. I AM COMPARING THOSE PALESTINIANS THAT FIGHT 'FAIR' with the likes of Pearse and Washington.

They voted in a terrorist organization...........like it or not, by you supporting Palistine, you support that decision.

I support a state of Palestine along 1948 borders with the capital in East Jerusalem - the cause of nearly all Palestinians. I support THE CAUSE. Why can't you differentiate between concepts at times? GOVERNMENT <> CAUSE. Governments are transient. I fucking hated the Bush Republican setup - but now that's been royally smashed up I look at the Stars & Stripes differently again, I look on it with hope.

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KPOT51 wrote:

Hello guys. Sorry for my bad English first.

So you talking about Israeli-Palestinian conflict? Nice. I'm back from West Bank (near Ariel) 45 days ago. If you ask me about source of conflict, I can say in one word - MONEY. Money of Iran, Syria and other "Middle East players". All terrorist actions sponsored. Without money palestinians can talk about peace and live with jews perfectly. How much kamikaze bomb? Please open Google and find in news.

Few words about last victims... Please find in Google news about Israeli city Sderot. Last 3 years people in this city living under missile attack. Our army have found starting missile installations between apartment houses and tryed to destroy with artillery. Why not? We must save our soldiers! So, little mistake and dramatic final. What can we do? Suffer missile bombardments of our cities? Sorry, NO! I hope Middle East have chance to live in peace, but question - WHERE?

I have a question: Do you condone illegally building settlements like Ariel in the West Bank? If so, how do you justify that to yourself?

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I will bow out and watch read and learn, both of you have been there so I will not interupt

I think the resignation of this Hamas guy is a good sign.  Slowly but surely, Hamas is getting the big picture.  If only Hezbollah started mending its ways....

How was that a cheap shot?  Do you honestly think that guy (the Israeli one) comes across as sane?  I'm honestly hoping for a reasonable, logical defense.

Bubbalo wrote:

How was that a cheap shot?  Do you honestly think that guy (the Israeli one) comes across as sane?  I'm honestly hoping for a reasonable, logical defense.

If I am not mistaken the cheap shot was on me no?? or did I mis-read?

Bubbalo wrote:

lowing wrote:

it is Israel wanting to live on the land that they historically have just  as much right to live on as any Muslim.

Which they killed to take...........

So, you white Americans going to run off back to Europe and leave the land for the natives any time soon?

Well, while I disagree with lowing's justification for Israel, I do believe that the current situation provides that Israel has a right to keep its land now.  Yes, injustices occurred in the past, but atrocities have been committed by both sides.  Israel and its neighbors must eventually find some peaceful version of coexistence.

lowing wrote:

why don't we round up all those agressive murdering Jews and wipe them off the face of the earth

Well, I'd recommend rehabilitation, but sure.  Any person of any race or religion who is aggressive and murdering must be dealt with.

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KPOT51 wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

I have a question: Do you condone illegally building settlements like Ariel in the West Bank? If so, how do you justify that to yourself?

Now it is tactical necessity. We can destroy all our illegally settlements in West Bank like in Gaza, if you remember. But we must get peace guaranties. This is official position, I think.

I don't see how building settlements in the West Bank is a tactical necessity. One could quite easily build your separation wall and be done with the West Bank. The West Bank settlements, in particular Ariel, are far grander in scale than anything built in the Gaza Strip - they're there to stay and the people of Ariel have had assurances from the government of Israel that they are part of Israel eternally: that doesn't sound like a good recipe for peace. Many of the settlements have the separation wall cut deep into Palestinian territory to surround them. Building places like Ariel and linking them up to other settlements tears the West Bank apart and makes travel impossible for ordinary Palestinians to go about their daily lives. It strangles the Palestinian economy: the exact purpose they were built for - to drive out the Palestinians through poverty and misery. To destroy the Palestinians in the name of creating a greater state of Israel. It amazes me how any just and reasonable person could condone their existence.

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