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Pastor will shut down controversial kids camp
By Religion News Service and The Associated Press
The summer camp featured in the documentary "Jesus Camp," which includes scenes with disgraced preacher Ted Haggard, will shut down for at least several years because of negative reaction sparked by the film, according to the camp's director.
"Right now we're just not a safe ministry," Becky Fischer, the fiery Pentecostal pastor featured in "Jesus Camp," said Tuesday.
The documentary, which hit select U.S. theaters during the summer, portrays Fischer, 55, as drill instructor to a group of young evangelical children steeling themselves for spiritual and political warfare.
Led by Fischer, the children pray in tongues, as is common in charismatic strains of Pentecostalism; tearfully beg God to end abortion; and bless President Bush at a weeklong camp in Devils Lake, N.D.
Fischer has drawn fire from some corners for "brainwashing" the children. After vandals damaged the campground last month and critics besieged Fischer with negative e-mails, phone calls and letters, the pastor said she's shutting down the camp for at least several years.
"I don't think we'll be doing it for a while," she said.
Fischer lives in Bismarck, N.D., and is chief pastor at The Fire Center, a church devoted to children's ministry there. She has run the weeklong "Kids on Fire" summer camp, which is featured in the film, since 2002, with 75 to 100 children attending each year.
The documentary also includes scenes of Haggard, the evangelical leader accused of gay sex and drug use.
In one scene, directors Heidi Ewing and Rachel Grady visit Haggard's 14,000-member New Life Church in Colorado Springs, Colo. He tells the vast audience, "We don't have to debate about what we should think about homosexual activity. It's written in the Bible."
Then Haggard looks into the camera and says kiddingly: "I think I know what you did last night," drawing laughs from the crowd. "If you send me a thousand dollars, I won't tell your wife."
Later, another joke for the filmmakers: "If you use any of this, I'll sue you."
The married, 50-year-old father of five admitted in a letter read Sunday to his followers that he was "guilty of sexual immorality." He has yet to address specific claims by a male escort that Haggard paid him for sex over the past three years.
Haggard also leads the audience in praying for President Bush to select a Supreme Court nominee who supports their beliefs (it would end up being Samuel Alito) and later brags about the rapid expansion of evangelicalism.
"It's got enough growth to essentially sway every election," Haggard says with a smile. "If the evangelicals vote, they determine the election."
Haggard has acknowledged that he paid Mike Jones of Denver for a massage and for methamphetamine, but said he didn't have sex with Jones and didn't take the drug.
He resigned last week as president of the National Association of Evangelicals, which represents 30 million people, and was removed Saturday as leader of his own church.
For the last three years, Fischer has rented a campground in Devils Lake from the Assemblies of God, one of the largest national churches in the Pentecostal movement. But Fischer said she was asked not to return after vandals broke windows and caused $1,500 in damage at the campground in October.
Fischer said she has asked the distributors of "Jesus Camp" not to release the film in Bismarck because she fears for the safety of the 70 children who attend The Fire Center.
Grady, the co-director of "Jesus Camp," said the negative reaction to the film "has weighed a little heavy on our hearts."
"Not that we had anything to do with it, but [the campground] wasn't getting vandalized before the film and it was after it, and we need to acknowledge that," Grady said.
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lol, and still, Tom Delay and his religious extortioning cohort are not in jail... friggen loons.
i wonder what will happen with that little punk kid with the shaved head and tail. the charismatic one that led sermons alot in the commercials? think he'll be the leader of a great militant christian group someday?
i think JESUS shut down that shit-hole operation himself.
i wonder what will happen with that little punk kid with the shaved head and tail. the charismatic one that led sermons alot in the commercials? think he'll be the leader of a great militant christian group someday?
i think JESUS shut down that shit-hole operation himself.
Well if he was still around he probably would have. From reading the Bible I have came to the conclusion that Jesus would have stayed out of politics, so I do not think he would have appreciated them having the kids pray so Bush would be blessed.IRONCHEF wrote:
i think JESUS shut down that shit-hole operation himself.
i saw previews for that movie. im glad it got shut down
hahah +1IRONCHEF wrote:
i think JESUS shut down that shit-hole operation himself.
I don't understand why conservatives continue to support Jesus.doctastrangelove1964 wrote:
Well if he was still around he probably would have. From reading the Bible I have came to the conclusion that Jesus would have stayed out of politics, so I do not think he would have appreciated them having the kids pray so Bush would be blessed.IRONCHEF wrote:
i think JESUS shut down that shit-hole operation himself.
Not only is he an Arab, he's got a Mexican name.
Nah. Jesus would have raised an army and overthrown the American government by now.doctastrangelove1964 wrote:
Well if he was still around he probably would have. From reading the Bible I have came to the conclusion that Jesus would have stayed out of politics, so I do not think he would have appreciated them having the kids pray so Bush would be blessed.IRONCHEF wrote:
i think JESUS shut down that shit-hole operation himself.
Course, he wouldn't have made it through the middle ages without being burned alive for disobeying his own church.
Jesus is a Greek name, in Hebrew his native language it would be Joshua. In Latin it would be Iesus, though pronounced "hey-su-ss" like in Greek or Spanish.The_Shipbuilder wrote:
I don't understand why conservatives continue to support Jesus.doctastrangelove1964 wrote:
Well if he was still around he probably would have. From reading the Bible I have came to the conclusion that Jesus would have stayed out of politics, so I do not think he would have appreciated them having the kids pray so Bush would be blessed.IRONCHEF wrote:
i think JESUS shut down that shit-hole operation himself.
Not only is he an Arab, he's got a Mexican name.
The_Shipbuilder wrote:
I don't understand why conservatives continue to support Jesus.
Not only is he an Arab, he's got a Mexican name.
Boy, do people ever fail to note sarcasm when it's written in front of their faces.replies to Shipbuilder wrote:
RTHKI wrote:
Not all Arabs are bad people, and the name Jesus in Mexican came from Jesus as in Christ. It is also pronounced differently in English.doctastrangelove1964 wrote:
Jesus is a Greek name, in Hebrew his native language it would be Joshua. In Latin it would be Iesus, though pronounced "hey-su-ss" like in Greek or Spanish.
Thanks for clearing that up. Next perhaps you can tell me about these wild bengal tigers that live in Cincinnati. Why do you celebrate them, when it is clear that great bounding animal predators would be a threat to the good people of Ohio?RTHKI wrote:
Not all Arabs are bad people, and the name Jesus in Mexican came from Jesus as in Christ. It is also pronounced differently in English.The_Shipbuilder wrote:
I don't understand why conservatives continue to support Jesus.
Not only is he an Arab, he's got a Mexican name.
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Why do you celebrate Norse marauders that would be a threat to the people of Los Angeles?
If you read the Bible, you will see that Jesus addressed politics when he was asked a pointed question, but otherwise was not actively involved in it. Jesus didn't raise an army to overthrow Rome and in the same way, would not overthrow the US government. Your last statement is just plain hyperbole.jonsimon wrote:
Nah. Jesus would have raised an army and overthrown the American government by now.doctastrangelove1964 wrote:
Well if he was still around he probably would have. From reading the Bible I have came to the conclusion that Jesus would have stayed out of politics, so I do not think he would have appreciated them having the kids pray so Bush would be blessed.IRONCHEF wrote:
i think JESUS shut down that shit-hole operation himself.
Course, he wouldn't have made it through the middle ages without being burned alive for disobeying his own church.
Lions are prowling Detroit! And Packers are taking over Wisconsin! Well, at least Madison, the marriage amendment was approved so maybe some of them will move.The_Shipbuilder wrote:
Thanks for clearing that up. Next perhaps you can tell me about these wild bengal tigers that live in Cincinnati. Why do you celebrate them, when it is clear that great bounding animal predators would be a threat to the good people of Ohio?RTHKI wrote:
Not all Arabs are bad people, and the name Jesus in Mexican came from Jesus as in Christ. It is also pronounced differently in English.The_Shipbuilder wrote:
I don't understand why conservatives continue to support Jesus.
Not only is he an Arab, he's got a Mexican name.
http://www.uncommonusa.com/uploads/cinc … engals.jpg
Packers?!?! Wisconsin is ghey haven?!?!
Giants stopping around New Jersey!Stingray24 wrote:
Lions are prowling Detroit! And Packers are taking over Wisconsin! Well, at least Madison, the marriage amendment was approved so maybe some of them will move.The_Shipbuilder wrote:
Thanks for clearing that up. Next perhaps you can tell me about these wild bengal tigers that live in Cincinnati. Why do you celebrate them, when it is clear that great bounding animal predators would be a threat to the good people of Ohio?RTHKI wrote:
Not all Arabs are bad people, and the name Jesus in Mexican came from Jesus as in Christ. It is also pronounced differently in English.
http://www.uncommonusa.com/uploads/cinc … engals.jpg
Lol, that was harsh, and fargin funny! +1The_Shipbuilder wrote:
Thanks for clearing that up. Next perhaps you can tell me about these wild bengal tigers that live in Cincinnati. Why do you celebrate them, when it is clear that great bounding animal predators would be a threat to the good people of Ohio?RTHKI wrote:
Not all Arabs are bad people, and the name Jesus in Mexican came from Jesus as in Christ. It is also pronounced differently in English.The_Shipbuilder wrote:
I don't understand why conservatives continue to support Jesus.
Not only is he an Arab, he's got a Mexican name.
http://www.uncommonusa.com/uploads/cinc … engals.jpg
Nah, 'Jesus' raised something more powerful than an army: an idea.Stingray24 wrote:
If you read the Bible, you will see that Jesus addressed politics when he was asked a pointed question, but otherwise was not actively involved in it. Jesus didn't raise an army to overthrow Rome and in the same way, would not overthrow the US government. Your last statement is just plain hyperbole.jonsimon wrote:
Nah. Jesus would have raised an army and overthrown the American government by now.doctastrangelove1964 wrote:
Well if he was still around he probably would have. From reading the Bible I have came to the conclusion that Jesus would have stayed out of politics, so I do not think he would have appreciated them having the kids pray so Bush would be blessed.
Course, he wouldn't have made it through the middle ages without being burned alive for disobeying his own church.
The idea was love and forgive people. Jesus>>>>>>>>Everything else.unnamednewbie13 wrote:
Nah, 'Jesus' raised something more powerful than an army: an idea.Stingray24 wrote:
If you read the Bible, you will see that Jesus addressed politics when he was asked a pointed question, but otherwise was not actively involved in it. Jesus didn't raise an army to overthrow Rome and in the same way, would not overthrow the US government. Your last statement is just plain hyperbole.jonsimon wrote:
Nah. Jesus would have raised an army and overthrown the American government by now.
Course, he wouldn't have made it through the middle ages without being burned alive for disobeying his own church.
Jesus is actually not his real name, his real name was Joshua. Jesus is just a Latinization.RTHKI wrote:
Not all Arabs are bad people, and the name Jesus in Mexican came from Jesus as in Christ. It is also pronounced differently in English.The_Shipbuilder wrote:
I don't understand why conservatives continue to support Jesus.
Not only is he an Arab, he's got a Mexican name.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman
Good riddance. Personally I'd convict the assholes in charge of the camp for brainwashing, but oh well
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