you know im not much into the whole politics etc thing, and didnt read 100% of this topic, but fuck, screw you guys, im moving to canada.
well??Turquoise wrote:
You know what assuming does, don't you? I'll let you fill in the blank.lowing wrote:
10 bucks says you have never served in the military, and as such really have no way of speaking intelligently on morale or camaraderie among troops.Turquoise wrote:
I think you put way too much emphasis on this perception of morale. Besides, are you saying a Democrat can't be supportive of our military or of our efforts? That seems rather naive.
I can assure you that logistical planning has a far greater effect on war and nation building than any morale or press coverage.
I also think you don't put ENOUGH emphasis on the perception of morale.
The Iraq 'war' is just another Vietnam war now.
And how do suppoe were going to stop the flow of weapons into the country? Not a country on earth nor the UN (who could help on borders) would do squat to help out no matter who is in charge of what now. No matter the move we make, Not one country that not already there is going to lift a frigging finger. They will sit back and watch One of if not the Biggest terrorist state of Iranaq form. The day we move out, that place will be swarmed by 3 sides, and whos to stop them? noone. You cant leave a big enough police force there with Iran and Syria ready to pounce the minute we pack up the first tank.
No, I haven't served in the military. Does that mean that the research I've done on the military is completely nullified? I think not.lowing wrote:
well??Turquoise wrote:
You know what assuming does, don't you? I'll let you fill in the blank.lowing wrote:
10 bucks says you have never served in the military, and as such really have no way of speaking intelligently on morale or camaraderie among troops.
I also think you don't put ENOUGH emphasis on the perception of morale.
YAh well lets just hope all the retoric wasnt just hot air and our soldiers arnt treated the same way. Kerry already said there a bunch of women Killers and Night murders. Lets see how there Illnesses are treated by this New Govt. Lets wait and see How there compenstaed for there service by an anti Military(didnt say soldier) Governing body.DaBigDragon wrote:
The Iraq 'war' is just another Vietnam war now.
I don't understand. You're now giving me the impression that you think there is no way to fix Iraq. Surely, you're not suggesting we withdraw or "stay the course" of letting our patrolling forces continue to serve as sitting ducks....<[onex]>Headstone wrote:
And how do suppoe were going to stop the flow of weapons into the country? Not a country on earth nor the UN (who could help on borders) would do squat to help out no matter who is in charge of what now. No matter the move we make, Not one country that not already there is going to lift a frigging finger. They will sit back and watch One of if not the Biggest terrorist state of Iranaq form. The day we move out, that place will be swarmed by 3 sides, and whos to stop them? noone. You cant leave a big enough police force there with Iran and Syria ready to pounce the minute we pack up the first tank.
Appreciate the honesty, however, yes, that means your research on something you haven't experienced is WORTHLESS, compared to someone's real life experiences.Turquoise wrote:
No, I haven't served in the military. Does that mean that the research I've done on the military is completely nullified? I think not.lowing wrote:
well??Turquoise wrote:
You know what assuming does, don't you? I'll let you fill in the blank.
Are you sure you want to go down that road? That's like me defending affirmative action by saying white people's opinions against it have no worth because they're not a minority.lowing wrote:
Appreciate the honesty, however, yes, that means your research on something you haven't experienced is WORTHLESS, compared to someone's real life experiences.Turquoise wrote:
No, I haven't served in the military. Does that mean that the research I've done on the military is completely nullified? I think not.lowing wrote:
well??
Anyone who supports the war in Iraq supports solutionless change. Hypocritical? I think so.Kmarion wrote:
People want change, even if the change provides no solution.
Yeah, afraid so..........I will travel down any road with a person who has traveled it before, over, going down it with someone armed only with a map.Turquoise wrote:
Are you sure you want to go down that road? That's like me defending affirmative action by saying white people's opinions against it have no worth because they're not a minority.lowing wrote:
Appreciate the honesty, however, yes, that means your research on something you haven't experienced is WORTHLESS, compared to someone's real life experiences.Turquoise wrote:
No, I haven't served in the military. Does that mean that the research I've done on the military is completely nullified? I think not.
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That's why I say its not debate and serious talk but slummy opinions and heresay.IRONCHEF wrote:
So surprised to see so many with negative voices here. Such unwarranted, unfounded beliefs..especially since they haven't even taken office yet (still 109th in power).We're weak already because we look like fools over there. We're already at a loss of credibility because we're a laughing stalk of the world thanks to certain liars who swore to the world that Saddam had all kinds of stockpiles of weapons ("here's the weapons labs, trailers, and stockpiles"). Killing having free reign in Iraq? Do you really think our piddly force of 130k are doing ANYTHING to quell that violence? I can guarantee you that alot of that killing will cease as soon as the "odd element" pulls out (us forces). Then it'll just be a 2 way fight. But we all know that Syria and Iran will hasten the end of that fighting and they will demonstrate to the world's worst nation builders (USA) how it's done.hater hm1 wrote:
YAY! Terrorists win!
Idiots can now pull us out of Iraq and show the world we're weak and without credibility. Funny thing is, the only thing that will accomplish is give killing free reign in Iraq. The country will spiral into all out civil war and soon be overrun by another mid-east country, i.e., Iran.
Seriously, come post some real stuff up here man! lol
If it were me personally, I would move in more forces, clean bagdad up with extreme force and then hand it over to a (by then) More capable Governing body and armed force. I do NOT agree with cut and run, But i would pull back a bit and Get a hell of alot more feet on the ground and get it done once and for all.Turquoise wrote:
I don't understand. You're now giving me the impression that you think there is no way to fix Iraq. Surely, you're not suggesting we withdraw or "stay the course" of letting our patrolling forces continue to serve as sitting ducks....<[onex]>Headstone wrote:
And how do suppoe were going to stop the flow of weapons into the country? Not a country on earth nor the UN (who could help on borders) would do squat to help out no matter who is in charge of what now. No matter the move we make, Not one country that not already there is going to lift a frigging finger. They will sit back and watch One of if not the Biggest terrorist state of Iranaq form. The day we move out, that place will be swarmed by 3 sides, and whos to stop them? noone. You cant leave a big enough police force there with Iran and Syria ready to pounce the minute we pack up the first tank.
We HAD that force back in 92 when i was there, A force the likes you have never seen(for that day and age) We were Miles outside of the city. (Admittedly i was already wounded and had surgery by then) We were told our job is done. Time to go home. Our guys watch them Limp there sorry asses down the road. Our best chance was then, back when we had the Military we once HAD. But i wont rehash that again. Anyways i feel like crap. Im out. Cya
Are you serious? Or trolling?IBleedGravy wrote:
You hyperinked a Washington Post article!! Why not just post from Al-Jazeera news. What credibility you may have brought to this conversation before was just lost...no soup for you!
The US should have thought of that when it relentlessly antagonized its allies. Instead, all that was espoused by this administration was happy talk about how the US would be in and out of Iraq in 6 mos.<[onex]>Headstone wrote:
And how do suppoe were going to stop the flow of weapons into the country? Not a country on earth nor the UN (who could help on borders) would do squat to help out no matter who is in charge of what now. No matter the move we make, Not one country that not already there is going to lift a frigging finger. They will sit back and watch One of if not the Biggest terrorist state of Iranaq form. The day we move out, that place will be swarmed by 3 sides, and whos to stop them? noone. You cant leave a big enough police force there with Iran and Syria ready to pounce the minute we pack up the first tank.
Yeah and now we have sicko freak Jim Webb, wonderful, what a great change, a sick pervert instead of someone who mispoke. A racist instead of someone who mispoke. Wonderful, oh you didn't hear how Webb used to ride around in a truck with friends with unloaded guns pretending to shoot black people while calling them the N word. Oh, thats right CNN doesn't report "Those" stories.IRONCHEF wrote:
Wow! and I thought George "Macaca" Allen would be an ass and prolong the vote with recounts and delayed certification!! I stand corrected, and offer you, Senator Allen, my apologies for thinking less of you.
READ IT!
Please welcome Senator Reid as senate majority leader! woohoo!
But actually, now the ball is in your court, prepare to be scrutinized like you scrutinized the Repubs for just about everything, see how you like it
Good evening.
Edit: Amazed you corrected yourself, there is hope for the left.
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What the Washington Compost, everyone has heard of it, no one likes it, unless they live in the belt. Gimme a break, have you even read some of their editorials, put it side by side to an Al Jazeera story, looks the same, minus the language.Masques wrote:
Are you serious? Or trolling?IBleedGravy wrote:
You hyperinked a Washington Post article!! Why not just post from Al-Jazeera news. What credibility you may have brought to this conversation before was just lost...no soup for you!
Saying the Washington Compost is credible is like saying Fox News is infallible. So get over it.
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Editorials and news operate as different divisions of newspapers. They have different staff and editors.AlbertWesker[RE] wrote:
What the Washington Compost, everyone has heard of it, no one likes it, unless they live in the belt. Gimme a break, have you even read some of their editorials, put it side by side to an Al Jazeera story, looks the same, minus the language.Masques wrote:
Are you serious? Or trolling?IBleedGravy wrote:
You hyperinked a Washington Post article!! Why not just post from Al-Jazeera news. What credibility you may have brought to this conversation before was just lost...no soup for you!
Saying the Washington Compost is credible is like saying Fox News is infallible. So get over it.
Which is why the Wall Street Journal has solid reporting but totally off-the-wall editorials. They're not bound by the same rules.
Anywhoo, you can read the Iraq Survey Group's report if you like. Same information or are the facts "biased"?
Well. . . . The Democrats are in power now. . . hmmmmmmmm
You thought Bush brought big government back!! LOL wait till these assholes start shakin and movin in January!!!
I have to say that I was surprised the Republicans lost the Senate, I didnt see that one coming. However, now the Dems have control of both houses, NOW WHAT?!
WHAT IS THEIR PLAN/MESSAGE/DIRECTION??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
DO THEY HAVE ONE???????????? If you simply flip the news channels and watch the Dems get interviewed, its OBVIOUS. . . they dont!!!
The Republicans shot themselves in the foot, allowing these fucking pricks take over, but its okay!!!!!!!!! Because once the Democrats start up their usual bullshit, people will still want a Republican president in 08'! I mean look at the Dems potential candidates. . .Hilary is a cunt, Obama is black(US is not ready for a black guy just yet), Edwards is a condecending southern elitist lawyer asshole, Dean is a madman that is WAY TOO LIBERAL!! Enjoy the victory for the next two years, because you guys wont win the presidency. . . .
You thought Bush brought big government back!! LOL wait till these assholes start shakin and movin in January!!!
I have to say that I was surprised the Republicans lost the Senate, I didnt see that one coming. However, now the Dems have control of both houses, NOW WHAT?!
WHAT IS THEIR PLAN/MESSAGE/DIRECTION??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
DO THEY HAVE ONE???????????? If you simply flip the news channels and watch the Dems get interviewed, its OBVIOUS. . . they dont!!!
The Republicans shot themselves in the foot, allowing these fucking pricks take over, but its okay!!!!!!!!! Because once the Democrats start up their usual bullshit, people will still want a Republican president in 08'! I mean look at the Dems potential candidates. . .Hilary is a cunt, Obama is black(US is not ready for a black guy just yet), Edwards is a condecending southern elitist lawyer asshole, Dean is a madman that is WAY TOO LIBERAL!! Enjoy the victory for the next two years, because you guys wont win the presidency. . . .
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Why don't you check their website.fadedsteve wrote:
WHAT IS THEIR PLAN/MESSAGE/DIRECTION??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
DO THEY HAVE ONE????????????
What are they going to do, ignore the election?fadedsteve wrote:
The Republicans shot themselves in the foot, allowing these fucking pricks take over, but its okay!!!!!!!!!
And that makes him any different from someone who is white how exactly????fadedsteve wrote:
Obama is black(US is not ready for a black guy just yet),
So much for the "I have a dream" if you think that because someone is black they automatically can't be the president your a bit racist....
If he has the goods to run for president than he should, and if he makes it he should not be looked upon any differently to a white guy.
I've been asking that question of the Republican Executive for 6 years. I've been asking that question of the Republican Legislative for 4 years. The Democrats have yet to actually assume Legislative power and already you assume failure?fadedsteve wrote:
NOW WHAT?!
You should be happy. Now if something terrible happens, Bush and the GOP can blame currently officed Democrats.
Someone give these poor, dejected Neo-Cons a hug. But not like a gay kind of hug. You know what, let's stick with hand shakes(and hot, sticky IM chat).
Where in hell did I agree with terrorists anyway? Yeah, I support Palestine, but that doesn't mean I support terrorists, so keep your labels away from me. This war is wrong, but shit happens, so now GWB must fix the mess he did.lowing wrote:
Ah I see, you don't want the US to fail in this war, but you and people like you, ( basically apologist, terrorist appeasers) will undermind every effort to succeed there. got it.sergeriver wrote:
Not US, GWB. He doesn't own the country. His huge mistakes don't condemn America. Gladly people could see this last Tuesday and punished him for his failures.lowing wrote:
yeah, actually there are those that say it is.......But hey, you and the rest of the terrorist apologist brigade keep rootin' for US failure in Iraq.
No plans is better than Republican plans!fadedsteve wrote:
Well. . . . The Democrats are in power now. . . hmmmmmmmm
You thought Bush brought big government back!! LOL wait till these assholes start shakin and movin in January!!!
I have to say that I was surprised the Republicans lost the Senate, I didnt see that one coming. However, now the Dems have control of both houses, NOW WHAT?!
WHAT IS THEIR PLAN/MESSAGE/DIRECTION??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
DO THEY HAVE ONE???????????? If you simply flip the news channels and watch the Dems get interviewed, its OBVIOUS. . . they dont!!!
The Republicans shot themselves in the foot, allowing these fucking pricks take over, but its okay!!!!!!!!! Because once the Democrats start up their usual bullshit, people will still want a Republican president in 08'! I mean look at the Dems potential candidates. . .Hilary is a cunt, Obama is black(US is not ready for a black guy just yet), Edwards is a condecending southern elitist lawyer asshole, Dean is a madman that is WAY TOO LIBERAL!! Enjoy the victory for the next two years, because you guys wont win the presidency. . . .