yeah, actually there are those that say it is.......But hey, you and the rest of the terrorist apologist brigade keep rootin' for US failure in Iraq.sergeriver wrote:
Now it is a better place indeed.lowing wrote:
I guess you are gunna site the peaceful tourism vacation spot Iraq was before we got there??Mekstizzle wrote:
Plus i don't think the U.S will just cut and run leaving a really rogue state behind. There'll be some sort of government left and i'm betting that the violence will go down once the U.S leaves.
Er, the joke's worthy of a 'ha-ha,' but not a 'pwnd.'IRONCHEF wrote:
pwnd. pure pwnage like I've never seen before. +1 CP..tomorrow..after 24 hours has passed.CameronPoe wrote:
To borrow a joke from Major_Spittle:
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*****error***** The World Wide Web reports that no such image was found! If problem persists please continue to rub it in conservatives faces.
And Muslim extremists will still want to kill everyone else.Masques wrote:
I know I've posted this before, but it seem ever so apropos
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where are the WMD's. I don't believe we should have invaded (I'm a Brit by the way) there was no WMD's, so the politicians went for regime change, boy what a change, for the better? OK why haven't we gone and regime changed other states that are alot worse and are striving for nuclear power and weapons. Money that is all, if it was for good we should have put all the money toward aid instead.
I am a liberal and conservative and a communist and an anarchist who cares I believe all these system have good and bad parts, stop moaning about gay liberals that really pisses me off when they use that for an argument. Any way Bush is a complete fuckwit I hope he loses all his money and has to shovel shit for the rest of his life, the blood is on his hands ooohh and Blair is too. Saddam challenged Bush to a duel to settle their differences,hhhmmmm some Conservative he is, cant fight wont fight, sounds like liberal speak to me. how many civilians have been killed by the US over the years, I remember the Dead Kennedys song "bleed for Me" and the lyric "so whats 10 million dead as long as we're keeping out the Russians" Regime changed the US.
One more thing I am NOT anti US I am anti idiot....
I am a liberal and conservative and a communist and an anarchist who cares I believe all these system have good and bad parts, stop moaning about gay liberals that really pisses me off when they use that for an argument. Any way Bush is a complete fuckwit I hope he loses all his money and has to shovel shit for the rest of his life, the blood is on his hands ooohh and Blair is too. Saddam challenged Bush to a duel to settle their differences,hhhmmmm some Conservative he is, cant fight wont fight, sounds like liberal speak to me. how many civilians have been killed by the US over the years, I remember the Dead Kennedys song "bleed for Me" and the lyric "so whats 10 million dead as long as we're keeping out the Russians" Regime changed the US.
One more thing I am NOT anti US I am anti idiot....
Party like it's 532 AD.unnamednewbie13 wrote:
And Muslim extremists will still want to kill everyone else.
LOWING you are so stupid I wish to pull our troops out of Iraq that does not mean I want the terrorists to win. Thats silly to say that. I say put more troops into Afghanistan, thats where they are all hiding.
Not US, GWB. He doesn't own the country. His huge mistakes don't condemn America. Gladly people could see this last Tuesday and punished him for his failures.lowing wrote:
yeah, actually there are those that say it is.......But hey, you and the rest of the terrorist apologist brigade keep rootin' for US failure in Iraq.sergeriver wrote:
Now it is a better place indeed.lowing wrote:
I guess you are gunna site the peaceful tourism vacation spot Iraq was before we got there??
The war a a farce, what good has it done. Can any one say that Iraq is better or peaceful than it was before.
Any way Bush and Cheney and their lap dogs in the UK declared the war let them fight it.
Any way Bush and Cheney and their lap dogs in the UK declared the war let them fight it.
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Shit it's late I have work in the morning good night ladies.
Hmmmmmmm you want to pull troops out of Iraq........meaning, you don't want anyone there to fight for a free Iraq, yet, you don't want the terrorists to take over Iraq...........and............I am stupid???commissargizz wrote:
LOWING you are so stupid I wish to pull our troops out of Iraq that does not mean I want the terrorists to win. Thats silly to say that. I say put more troops into Afghanistan, thats where they are all hiding.
Ah I see, you don't want the US to fail in this war, but you and people like you, ( basically apologist, terrorist appeasers) will undermind every effort to succeed there. got it.sergeriver wrote:
Not US, GWB. He doesn't own the country. His huge mistakes don't condemn America. Gladly people could see this last Tuesday and punished him for his failures.lowing wrote:
yeah, actually there are those that say it is.......But hey, you and the rest of the terrorist apologist brigade keep rootin' for US failure in Iraq.sergeriver wrote:
Now it is a better place indeed.
Were a Laughing stock because we went in trying to fight a frigging war MORALLY, to please the world. If we would have gone in with twice the troops or more everyone would be home by now!IRONCHEF wrote:
So surprised to see so many with negative voices here. Such unwarranted, unfounded beliefs..especially since they haven't even taken office yet (still 109th in power).We're weak already because we look like fools over there. We're already at a loss of credibility because we're a laughing stalk of the world thanks to certain liars who swore to the world that Saddam had all kinds of stockpiles of weapons ("here's the weapons labs, trailers, and stockpiles"). Killing having free reign in Iraq? Do you really think our piddly force of 130k are doing ANYTHING to quell that violence? I can guarantee you that alot of that killing will cease as soon as the "odd element" pulls out (us forces). Then it'll just be a 2 way fight. But we all know that Syria and Iran will hasten the end of that fighting and they will demonstrate to the world's worst nation builders (USA) how it's done.hater hm1 wrote:
YAY! Terrorists win!
Idiots can now pull us out of Iraq and show the world we're weak and without credibility. Funny thing is, the only thing that will accomplish is give killing free reign in Iraq. The country will spiral into all out civil war and soon be overrun by another mid-east country, i.e., Iran.
Seriously, come post some real stuff up here man! lol
To be frank, Dubya undermined himself with Iraq. Keeping Rumsfeld around as long as he did, decommissioning the Iraqi Republican Guard, and not providing the appropriate materials to the soldiers (like body armor and armored hummers) were all things that undermined our efforts in Iraq far more than any criticism from Democrats.lowing wrote:
Ah I see, you don't want the US to fail in this war, but you and people like you, ( basically apologist, terrorist appeasers) will undermind every effort to succeed there. got it.sergeriver wrote:
Not US, GWB. He doesn't own the country. His huge mistakes don't condemn America. Gladly people could see this last Tuesday and punished him for his failures.lowing wrote:
yeah, actually there are those that say it is.......But hey, you and the rest of the terrorist apologist brigade keep rootin' for US failure in Iraq.
NOTHING undermines the efforts and the morale of our troops at war than a divided leadership and citizenship. Nothing!! And don't think for a second that the terrorists are not watching and loving every minute of it.Turquoise wrote:
To be frank, Dubya undermined himself with Iraq. Keeping Rumsfeld around as long as he did, decommissioning the Iraqi Republican Guard, and not providing the appropriate materials to the soldiers (like body armor and armored hummers) were all things that undermined our efforts in Iraq far more than any criticism from Democrats.lowing wrote:
Ah I see, you don't want the US to fail in this war, but you and people like you, ( basically apologist, terrorist appeasers) will undermind every effort to succeed there. got it.sergeriver wrote:
Not US, GWB. He doesn't own the country. His huge mistakes don't condemn America. Gladly people could see this last Tuesday and punished him for his failures.
another thought..........The terrorists are celebrating as much as you apologists are, at the election results....Congrats.
I think you put way too much emphasis on this perception of morale. Besides, are you saying a Democrat can't be supportive of our military or of our efforts? That seems rather naive.lowing wrote:
NOTHING undermines the efforts and the morale of our troops at war than a divided leadership and citizenship. Nothing!! And don't think for a second that the terrorists are not watching and loving every minute of it.Turquoise wrote:
To be frank, Dubya undermined himself with Iraq. Keeping Rumsfeld around as long as he did, decommissioning the Iraqi Republican Guard, and not providing the appropriate materials to the soldiers (like body armor and armored hummers) were all things that undermined our efforts in Iraq far more than any criticism from Democrats.lowing wrote:
Ah I see, you don't want the US to fail in this war, but you and people like you, ( basically apologist, terrorist appeasers) will undermind every effort to succeed there. got it.
I can assure you that logistical planning has a far greater effect on war and nation building than any morale or press coverage.
I didn't know you worked for the CIA lowing........ by the way, any luck on finding Bin Laden?lowing wrote:
another thought..........The terrorists are celebrating as much as you apologists are, at the election results....Congrats.
Or, maybe your just making bullshit up as usual, as you alsways have and always will.........
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You don't think a single soldier questioned why he was in Iraq to begin with? You honestly can sit there and blame the dissent from the majority of americans against the war as the source of poor morale among troops? Listen to that..read it a few times and see if you really believe that!lowing wrote:
NOTHING undermines the efforts and the morale of our troops at war than a divided leadership and citizenship. Nothing!! And don't think for a second that the terrorists are not watching and loving every minute of it.Turquoise wrote:
To be frank, Dubya undermined himself with Iraq. Keeping Rumsfeld around as long as he did, decommissioning the Iraqi Republican Guard, and not providing the appropriate materials to the soldiers (like body armor and armored hummers) were all things that undermined our efforts in Iraq far more than any criticism from Democrats.lowing wrote:
Ah I see, you don't want the US to fail in this war, but you and people like you, ( basically apologist, terrorist appeasers) will undermind every effort to succeed there. got it.
Terrorists have been laughing and rejoicing in their jihad since 9/11 as they watched success after success as we crumbled in our constitutional rights, as we got scared by our own politicians (by politicians, not by terrorists), and as our hearts broke knowing that we've slaughtered many tens of thousands, maybe hundreds of thousands of innocent iraqis because of lies. Pulling out by our troops is number 532 on the list of successes they are enjoying.
Besides, do you have a problem with them laughing more than you have a problem with good men and women dieing for NO reason?
Oh, one more thing I don't understand is why you're so wrapped up in "WINNING" something that can't be won? Also, how is pulling out our troops giving up? It's a smart move for us, for iraqis, and for the region. It says nothing to the effect that we're still not going to go after terrorists. You seem to think we're simply going to forgive and forget 9/11 if we pull our troops out. TO be honest, it's an opportunity to prepare for the inevitable attacks here and in US interests abroad..and a chance to sit back, watch them with our forms of eavesdropping, and heaven forbid...actually employ human intelligence gatherers like they do in the movies.
Just admit that our troops would not WIN ANYTHING if they stayed. Then swallow some pride, get some hope, and watch what unfolds. Watch new plans go into effect...missiles getting fired, bombs being dropped, people being captured...the way real intelligence and real politicians work...like they did before BUSh came and fucked it all up.
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Heres an interesting piece of info. Most Iraqi's polled said about the US troops being there and Ill quote what CNN said " We want them to leave, but we need them to stay" WTF??? Yah, has me stumped also. So what is it? Want us out or want us to saty and help?
Id like to add, You people have a real sad sense of what a war is and how long one takes and How long it takes to build a country fron scratch(one your building alone because the rest of the puss whipped world wont step in unless theres money in it) Look back at WW1 Look back at WW2 and rebuilding France, Germany, England(london), Russia, Japan. I mean were talking a tick of the clock here now, you really need to be real and figure out that Rome wasnt built in a day FFS.
Id like to add, You people have a real sad sense of what a war is and how long one takes and How long it takes to build a country fron scratch(one your building alone because the rest of the puss whipped world wont step in unless theres money in it) Look back at WW1 Look back at WW2 and rebuilding France, Germany, England(london), Russia, Japan. I mean were talking a tick of the clock here now, you really need to be real and figure out that Rome wasnt built in a day FFS.
Apparently those good people of Iraq Bush was trying to 'help'were celebrating too....lowing wrote:
another thought..........The terrorists are celebrating as much as you apologists are, at the election results....Congrats.
And here's a quote from the office of the one and only Moqtada Al Sadr:
"We hope the Democrats don't forget their campaign promises. If they don't, we will deal with them in a brotherly way once the last American soldier pulls out from Iraq."
Now that sounds fairly reasonable doesn't it?
10 bucks says you have never served in the military, and as such really have no way of speaking intelligently on morale or camaraderie among troops.Turquoise wrote:
I think you put way too much emphasis on this perception of morale. Besides, are you saying a Democrat can't be supportive of our military or of our efforts? That seems rather naive.lowing wrote:
NOTHING undermines the efforts and the morale of our troops at war than a divided leadership and citizenship. Nothing!! And don't think for a second that the terrorists are not watching and loving every minute of it.Turquoise wrote:
To be frank, Dubya undermined himself with Iraq. Keeping Rumsfeld around as long as he did, decommissioning the Iraqi Republican Guard, and not providing the appropriate materials to the soldiers (like body armor and armored hummers) were all things that undermined our efforts in Iraq far more than any criticism from Democrats.
I can assure you that logistical planning has a far greater effect on war and nation building than any morale or press coverage.
I also think you don't put ENOUGH emphasis on the perception of morale.
I'll put it this way. If we are going to stay in Iraq for the long haul, we're going to need to disarm all Iraqis, except for the police. As long as militias are allowed to roam throughout the country, there will always be chaos. Either they can hand over their weapons, or they die.<[onex]>Headstone wrote:
Heres an interesting piece of info. Most Iraqi's polled said about the US troops being there and Ill quote what CNN said " We want them to leave, but we need them to stay" WTF??? Yah, has me stumped also. So what is it? Want us out or want us to saty and help?
Id like to add, You people have a real sad sense of what a war is and how long one takes and How long it takes to build a country fron scratch(one your building alone because the rest of the puss whipped world wont step in unless theres money in it) Look back at WW1 Look back at WW2 and rebuilding France, Germany, England(london), Russia, Japan. I mean were talking a tick of the clock here now, you really need to be real and figure out that Rome wasnt built in a day FFS.
That's the only way this situation can move forward with any sense of us maintaining order.
Its Not Naive, its a fact. Under demorcratic leadership(ole Bill) The military was cut in HALF. So going in to all this shit, we were already handicapped. Thanks Bill. Most everything in my state(that we gladly would have kept open) was closed. Only place left here is Fort Drum, and the 10th moutain Div. If it wernt for those guys skills in the moutains, we would be doing alot worse in Afganistan. Glad Bill didnt AX them also.Turquoise wrote:
I think you put way too much emphasis on this perception of morale. Besides, are you saying a Democrat can't be supportive of our military or of our efforts? That seems rather naive.lowing wrote:
NOTHING undermines the efforts and the morale of our troops at war than a divided leadership and citizenship. Nothing!! And don't think for a second that the terrorists are not watching and loving every minute of it.Turquoise wrote:
To be frank, Dubya undermined himself with Iraq. Keeping Rumsfeld around as long as he did, decommissioning the Iraqi Republican Guard, and not providing the appropriate materials to the soldiers (like body armor and armored hummers) were all things that undermined our efforts in Iraq far more than any criticism from Democrats.
I can assure you that logistical planning has a far greater effect on war and nation building than any morale or press coverage.
You know what assuming does, don't you? I'll let you fill in the blank.lowing wrote:
10 bucks says you have never served in the military, and as such really have no way of speaking intelligently on morale or camaraderie among troops.Turquoise wrote:
I think you put way too much emphasis on this perception of morale. Besides, are you saying a Democrat can't be supportive of our military or of our efforts? That seems rather naive.lowing wrote:
NOTHING undermines the efforts and the morale of our troops at war than a divided leadership and citizenship. Nothing!! And don't think for a second that the terrorists are not watching and loving every minute of it.
I can assure you that logistical planning has a far greater effect on war and nation building than any morale or press coverage.
I also think you don't put ENOUGH emphasis on the perception of morale.
You hyperinked a Washington Post article!! Why not just post from Al-Jazeera news. What credibility you may have brought to this conversation before was just lost...no soup for you!Masques wrote:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co … 01554.htmlHM1{N} wrote:
Actually we don't look like fools over there, I have several friends still there who would disagree with you wholeheartedly. They are doing quite a bit over there, more than you hating liberals think. WMD's, weapons of all sorts...I guess you didn't read the reports of all the weapons that were shipped to Syria??? Or did you just conveniently forget that like most Democrats? What about the chemical weapons we found? Oh, you Dem's conveniently forgot that also...IRONCHEF CAN'T COOK A BULLET ON A BARN wrote:
So surprised to see so many with negative voices here. Such unwarranted, unfounded beliefs..especially since they haven't even taken office yet (still 109th in power).
We're weak already because we look like fools over there. We're already at a loss of credibility because we're a laughing stalk of the world thanks to certain liars who swore to the world that Saddam had all kinds of stockpiles of weapons ("here's the weapons labs, trailers, and stockpiles"). Killing having free reign in Iraq? Do you really think our piddly force of 130k are doing ANYTHING to quell that violence? I can guarantee you that alot of that killing will cease as soon as the "odd element" pulls out (us forces). Then it'll just be a 2 way fight. But we all know that Syria and Iran will hasten the end of that fighting and they will demonstrate to the world's worst nation builders (USA) how it's done.
Seriously, come post some real stuff up here man! lol
If you hate the USA so much that you call it the world's worst nation builder, then may I kindly suggest "YOU GET THE HELL OUT OF MY COUNTRY".
Since most of you will claim "source FTL": http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=n … t+to+Syria
You can read them all yourselves...So if the first Gulf War and sanctions had destroyed their capabilities (which was the conclusion of Iraq Survey Group report) what could they possibly move to Syria?The Iraq Survey Group's main findings -- that Hussein's Iraq did not possess chemical and biological weapons and had only aspirations for a nuclear program -- were made public in October in an interim report covering nearly 1,000 pages.
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The report, which refuted many of the administration's principal arguments for going to war in Iraq, marked the official end of a two-year weapons hunt led most recently by former U.N. weapons inspector Charles A. Duelfer. The team found that the 1991 Persian Gulf War and subsequent U.N. sanctions had destroyed Iraq's illicit weapons capabilities and that, for the most part, Hussein had not tried to rebuild them. Iraq's ability to produce nuclear arms, which the administration asserted was a grave and gathering threat that required an immediate military response, had "progressively decayed" since 1991. Investigators found no evidence of "concerted efforts to restart the program."
Hey, if you want a military state, you should be happy. We're halfway there. We've run such huge deficits from warfare that there's not much money left to spend on anything else. Rest assured that the Democrats will be forced to cut a lot of programs in order to balance the budget. As long as we're in Iraq, they can't really cut the military budget.<[onex]>Headstone wrote:
Its Not Naive, its a fact. Under demorcratic leadership(ole Bill) The military was cut in HALF. So going in to all this shit, we were already handicapped. Thanks Bill. Most everything in my state(that we gladly would have kept open) was closed. Only place left here is Fort Drum, and the 10th moutain Div. If it wernt for those guys skills in the moutains, we would be doing alot worse in Afganistan. Glad Bill didnt AX them also.