Poll

Bigger Threat to the World: Radical Islam or Radical Neo-Conservatism?

Radical Islam50%50% - 5
Radical Neo-Conservatism30%30% - 3
Both20%20% - 2
Total: 10
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7015|Argentina
Radical Islam:
is a religious ideology which advocates literalist interpretations of the sacred texts of Islam, Sharia law, and an Islamic State.
Islamic fundamentalists hold that the problems of the world stem from secular influences. Further, the path to peace and justice lies in a return to the original message of Islam, combined with a scrupulous rejection of all Bid'ah ("innovation") and perceived anti-Islamic traditions.
Islamic fundamentalism's push for Sharia and an Islamic State has come into conflict with conceptions of the secular, democratic state, such as the internationally supported Universal Declaration of Human Rights. This conflict centers on following issues:
-rejection of the equality of men and women (i.e. they are unequal in specific aspects like how they think and act but are still equal overall)
-rejection of the separation of "church" and state;
-rejection some of religious rights, such as the right of Muslims to leave the religion, while the right to be a non-Muslim in Muslim lands is still allowed.
As a result of this sharp conflict, many doubt whether fundamentalist Islam is compatible with modern liberal democratic states.
Some examples: Al Qaeda, Hamas.

Radical Neo-Conservatism:
they endorse attacks on civil liberties and they unconditionally support Israel and have a close alliance with the war criminal and former Israeli President, Ariel Sharon and his Likud Party.
1. They agree with Trotsky on permanent revolution, violent as well as intellectual.
2. Believe that the map of The Middle East must be re-drawn and are prepared to use force to achieve this.
3. Accept the concept that the ends justify the means.
4. Believe in “preventive” war to achieve desired outcomes. (As opposed to “pre-emptive war.”)
5. They express no opposition to the welfare state.
6. Believe in the legitimacy of an American Empire and strongly endorse it.
7. Believe lying is necessary for the State to survive.
8. Believe in powerful Federal government.
9. Believe society should be ruled and held together by an elite ruling class.
10. Reject neutrality in foreign affairs.
11. Believe imperialism is appropriate.
12. Believe deploying US military might to enforce US ideals on others is acceptable. Force should not be limited to the defense of the nation.
13. Events surrounding the September 11 attacks (the much needed and timely massive threat to US homeland security after the cessation of the cold war are enveloped in controversy, since they provided the timely springboard for long dormant neo-conservative policy.
Some examples: Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld.
kr@cker
Bringin' Sexy Back!
+581|6807|Southeastern USA
i would have thought this beneath you serge
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7015|Argentina

kr@cker wrote:

i would have thought this beneath you serge
Dick Cheney and Rumsfeld don't represent America, so don't take it personal.
Fancy_Pollux
Connoisseur of Fine Wine
+1,306|6904
Now you're just trying too hard, sergeriver. Your post is merely trollbait (poorly conceived trollbait at that) and doesn't even warrant a reply.

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Last edited by Fancy_Pollux (2006-11-09 06:20:29)

Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|6839|SE London

Radical Islam/Radical Neo-Conservatism

2 sides of the same coin. All radicalism is bad.
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7015|Argentina

Fancy_Pollux wrote:

Now you're just trying too hard, sergeriver. Your post is merely trollbait (poorly conceived trollbait at that) and doesn't even warrant a reply.

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We are familiarized with your replies, one is this ugly drawing and the other is Jesus Riding a Dinosaur.  I wouldn't expect another thing from an arrogant person, who doesn't like debate, just flaming other people.
Des.Kmal
Member
+917|6876|Atlanta, Georgia, USA

Fancy_Pollux wrote:

Now you're just trying too hard, sergeriver. Your post is merely trollbait (poorly conceived trollbait at that) and doesn't even warrant a reply.

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Add me on Origin for Battlefield 4 fun: DesKmal
.:XDR:.PureFodder
Member
+105|7087
Where's the neither option?
Kung Jew
That one mod
+331|7003|Houston, TX
I have to agree that this is trolling for a flame war.  Feel free to post your thoughts in one of the many other threads concerning this.

KJ

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