Irrelevant to us Europeans because GM foods are banned here! W00T!
Well, I don't see the harm in GM foods.
Think about it... Half of the foods we eat are not even natural.
Grandma's cookies used to consist of flour, sugar, egg, and various flavours. Now go read the ingredients of say... Oreo's.
McDonalds is great but what is realy in that food?
My point... GM foods can't be any worse than any other foods on the market (except organic)
Think about it... Half of the foods we eat are not even natural.
Grandma's cookies used to consist of flour, sugar, egg, and various flavours. Now go read the ingredients of say... Oreo's.
McDonalds is great but what is realy in that food?
My point... GM foods can't be any worse than any other foods on the market (except organic)
I have no problem with GM foods. If anything they have less insectisides because they are bred to not need them (insectisides are expensive).
Additionally they are bred to taste better. Fatter, chunckier, bigger.
Additionally they are bred to taste better. Fatter, chunckier, bigger.
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Oh, I can see one other problem. Some GM crops are resistant to a herbicide called round-up (I think that's a TM so I might get my arse sued off for saying this). That means that you can spray your fields with herbicide and kill all the weeds, but your crop remains. That's great from the farmer's point of view because it means more production. But it also means that more herbicide is sprayed, and therefore, next time it rains, more herbicide is washed into the waterways. I'm not an ecologists so I won't pretend to know what (if any) effect that would have on an aquatic ecosystem, but I'm sure it's not ideal.
So really, I guess the problem isn't with GM crops, it's with the farm management practices that would come with them.
So really, I guess the problem isn't with GM crops, it's with the farm management practices that would come with them.
Us Australians sure love our Round-Upcospengle wrote:
Oh, I can see one other problem. Some GM crops are resistant to a herbicide called round-up (I think that's a TM so I might get my arse sued off for saying this). That means that you can spray your fields with herbicide and kill all the weeds, but your crop remains. That's great from the farmer's point of view because it means more production. But it also means that more herbicide is sprayed, and therefore, next time it rains, more herbicide is washed into the waterways. I'm not an ecologists so I won't pretend to know what (if any) effect that would have on an aquatic ecosystem, but I'm sure it's not ideal.
So really, I guess the problem isn't with GM crops, it's with the farm management practices that would come with them.
most of us don't need them, the biggest breakthroughs in GM foods are the ones concerning crops designed to grow in famine/drought stricken areas of africa and the likeCameronPoe wrote:
Irrelevant to us Europeans because GM foods are banned here! W00T!
Norman Borlaug.... A brilliant man, he has saved BILLIONS of people with GM foods.
(Wished I could of remembered his name during my GM Foods essay today...)
(Wished I could of remembered his name during my GM Foods essay today...)
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I've been trying to remember his name since this thread started, you see the "bullshit" episode on him?
Yeah, goddamn he is such a great man.kr@cker wrote:
I've been trying to remember his name since this thread started, you see the "bullshit" episode on him?
'Penn & Teller: BS' is such a great show... we need more of them to expose the cover ups these days.
I'm talking nutritional value. The basis is corporate America's processed foods. The prime shining example of which is processed flour. All forms of processed flour are terrible for you. The more processed, the faster it becomes abdominal fat, which is the cause of many health issues.Pizdets_Velikiy wrote:
What do you base this rule of thumb on? There are things you eat that would kill you if they were not processed.jonsimon wrote:
Probably unhealthy. A rule of thumb: The more processing between seed and plate, the less healthy. See no reason it won't hold for genetically processed.
On the other hand, simply stone ground whole wheat flour is perhaps the healthiest food you can add to your diet. Loaded with fiber and nutrients, it alone can correct weight issues, heart issues, colesterol issues, and prevent a medly of other health issues.
Processed food is bad for you.
QFTPizdets_Velikiy wrote:
GM crops are great. Most people don't realize it, but we've been eating GM crops for years. And those who oppose them have absolutely no clue what's truly going on, how they work, or how they're made.
Emphasis on years. You'd be surprised by the amount of genetically modified food you eat every day.
..Now you tell me, I just ate a tin of Spam.jonsimon wrote:
Processed food is bad for you.
I work in a cereal and ingredient manufacturing plant. 95% of the flours we use as ingredients are GMO. It is a rare day when we are running on Organic or Non-GMO ingredients. We have been using them for many years.
The Modifying of plants or animals can have many ramifications. They can be more healthy, cheaper, more stable (shelf-life). They can also be worse for you. Who knows what will happen to us after 20 years of eating this stuff.
The Modifying of plants or animals can have many ramifications. They can be more healthy, cheaper, more stable (shelf-life). They can also be worse for you. Who knows what will happen to us after 20 years of eating this stuff.
"The President does not have power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation" - Barack Obama (a freshman senator from Illinios)
definitly for GM...improvement is always good
The makers of spam recently tried to register 'Spam' as a software TM to try to stop anti-spam software using 'Spam' in their product name in order to stop their tinned spam from being associated with spam email.
Spam spam.
Spam spam.
Pro
- resistance to virus (ex: ringspot virus that affected Hawaiian papaya plants)
- pesticide-producing plants
- certain toxic chemicals can be removed
- resistance to soil imbalances such as acidity and high levels of toxic things (for lack of a better word) such as aluminum
Con
- exports of the US would be greatly affected because Europeans are against it
- may not be safe
- unknown allergic reactions
- resistant pests
- pollen drift
And of course, "against the will of God."
- resistance to virus (ex: ringspot virus that affected Hawaiian papaya plants)
- pesticide-producing plants
- certain toxic chemicals can be removed
- resistance to soil imbalances such as acidity and high levels of toxic things (for lack of a better word) such as aluminum
Con
- exports of the US would be greatly affected because Europeans are against it
- may not be safe
- unknown allergic reactions
- resistant pests
- pollen drift
And of course, "against the will of God."
My GM report wrote:
I believe that genetically modified food is not only beneficial to the human race, but also does not affect the environment in a harmful way.
Genetically modified (or GM) crops can help reduce poverty and undernourishment problems in developing countries. I say this because GM crops can be grown to be resistant to diseases and pests. . This in turn increases the number of viable crops that farmers can consume themselves or sell. One particular example of this relates to an instance in Hawaii. A virus deadly to papayas, known as the ring spot virus, was greatly reducing crop harvests. By genetically modifying the DNA of papayas, scientists in Hawaii were able to plant a new GM papaya, and save Hawaii’s papaya industry. [Harvest of Fear]
One may argue against GM crops over the theory that pests will grow resistant to GM crops through the process of natural selection. This has been proven. However, this can easily be sidestepped. In the U.S., laws are in place such that farmers are required to plant a special area of land to maintain a pest population nonresistant to GM crops. This area of land will border the field of crops, and is called a refuge. It will allow nonresistant pests to breed with themselves, in addition to the very few resistant pests that survive. This method reduces the number of pests that are resistant to GM crops and their methods of deterring pests. [Biology Online]
Though GM engineering, certain chemicals normally toxic to humans can be removed. This can also be done so that future GM crops will be resistant to other harsh environmental conditions. One example of this process in action: GM corn in Mexico has been engineered so that it resists local acidic soil and does not absorb harmful aluminum traces in the soil. The special GM corn grows bigger and better than the normal corn and does not absorb the harmful aluminum. The normal corn would have been very dry and would have not grown well; in addition, it would have absorbed aluminum. [Harvest of Fear]
In addition, the safety of GM crops is not an issue. GM crops are regulated by testing guidelines published by the FDA. The FDA has also set up a consultation process to help developers meet the safety standards. FDA scientists advise companies on tests needed to assess the safety of new foods.
Several other private and government organizations have studied the safety of GM foods. In 2000, a committee of the National Academy of Sciences states, “The committee is not aware of any evidence that foods on the market are unsafe to eat as a result of genetic modification.” The same was said in a report published by the Government Accounting Office in 2002. In terms of animals being fed with GM food, the International Organization of Economic Cooperation and Development published a consensus document in 2003. This consensus document noted that there is no evidence that animals fed with GM food are different in any respect from those fed with non-GM food. [FDA.gov]
Again, I state strongly that the usage and consumption of genetically modified foods around the world would be a wise and intelligent decision. GM foods are not only safe, but sidestep boundaries that would not be crossable by normal crops. These boundaries include pests, disease, inhospitable soil…The list goes on and on. But there is one benefit to genetically modified foods that I find to be the most important – the fact that it can help reduce poverty all around the globe.
"people in ny have a general idea of how to drive. one of the pedals goes forward the other one prevents you from dying"
I think you guys will find most arguments against GM products is an environmental issue. No serious person is under the illusion that it will change our genes. But it may breed out the natural species.
Tbh i have no problem with them, they are controlled just fine, rarely do they spread out into the naturally occurring plants.
Tbh i have no problem with them, they are controlled just fine, rarely do they spread out into the naturally occurring plants.
Right, the only issue that you need to be careful with is GM animals. GM salmon mating with wild salmon = infertile salmon.Vilham wrote:
I think you guys will find most arguments against GM products is an environmental issue. No serious person is under the illusion that it will change our genes. But it may breed out the natural species.
Tbh i have no problem with them, they are controlled just fine, rarely do they spread out into the naturally occurring plants.
No fun.
"people in ny have a general idea of how to drive. one of the pedals goes forward the other one prevents you from dying"
I would actually argue that most of the controversy over GM crops is because of competition issues in Europe. America already subsidizes its own agriculture a lot, but Europe is even worse about it. They use our GM methods as an excuse to keep most of our food out of their markets.haffeysucks wrote:
Right, the only issue that you need to be careful with is GM animals. GM salmon mating with wild salmon = infertile salmon.Vilham wrote:
I think you guys will find most arguments against GM products is an environmental issue. No serious person is under the illusion that it will change our genes. But it may breed out the natural species.
Tbh i have no problem with them, they are controlled just fine, rarely do they spread out into the naturally occurring plants.
No fun.
I would have no problem eating GM foods. We've been eating GM foods all our life anyways, as well as artifically selected foods too.
I dunno, but I kind of feel this kind of relates to natural vs artificial flavors. Both are basically the same, just derived differently. Same with GM foods and "natural" foods.
I dunno, but I kind of feel this kind of relates to natural vs artificial flavors. Both are basically the same, just derived differently. Same with GM foods and "natural" foods.