amnesty and granting citizenship... problem solved. no more illegal aliens and all 12 million of them will now vote democrat! but its still a bad idea
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Twelve million illegals in the US. Thrty percent off inmates are illegals. In your site it said their were 68,000 illegals in jail. 68,000/12,000,000 = 0.00566666 %Harmor wrote:
I wish all immigrants were honest and here to work, but 30% of our federal prisons have illegals in them. Why?rawls2 wrote:
I see that and I think to myself: These guys just want to work, no freebies just honest work. Them I think to myself all these low life Americans standing in welfare lines waiting for my tax dollar to feed their crack habit.Harmor wrote:
Is there something wrong with this picture? I guess there are plenty of jobs in the United States (taken outside of Home Depot):
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Ironic.Source: http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServer?p … enters0b9cToday, criminal aliens account for over 29 percent of prisoners in Federal Bureau of Prisons facilities and a higher share of all federal prison inmates
Thats a pretty small percentage of criminal illegals compared to honest hard workin illegals.
Mexico is corrupt. We need to give them all the assistance necessary to help them with their crime and corruption. Anyone here who lives on a border state knows that violence from cartels and the mexican mafia is spilling over the border.
Its in the United States interest to have a strong and stable Mexico.
Its in the United States interest to have a strong and stable Mexico.
Oh, it's my fault mexicans are raping my country? Also, I was under the impression that my view as stated above (no illegals) was quite republican. Are you being a typical conservative by making your poor judgment of my conservative side? lolrawls2 wrote:
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If you notice I deleted my post. I wasn't satisfied with the message.IRONCHEF wrote:
Oh, it's my fault mexicans are raping my country? Also, I was under the impression that my view as stated above (no illegals) was quite republican. Are you being a typical conservative by making your poor judgment of my conservative side? lolrawls2 wrote:
Typical liberal point of veiw. Blaming domestic problems on anything and anyone but themselves.
First of Mexicans are not raping our Country. Its the lazy, egotistical, hypocrytical Americans that are doing the raping. Force people off welfare and into jobs.
Last edited by rawls2 (2006-11-08 15:51:52)
Now this is a good idea. Imagine if we contracted with Mexico and used oh, say, half the Iraq war funds we've blown so far...we could easily have funded tons of law enforcement, improved governement oversight to help stem their corruption, and armed police with fargin nukes to destroy cartels. Orrrr....gather up 12 million of them living here, arm them with banned assault rifles gathered by police, and send this 12 million member army to the cartel's plantations!! Done..and they could get paid and employed being mexican version of ATF.Harmor wrote:
Mexico is corrupt. We need to give them all the assistance necessary to help them with their crime and corruption. Anyone here who lives on a border state knows that violence from cartels and the mexican mafia is spilling over the border.
Its in the United States interest to have a strong and stable Mexico.
But in doing something like this (a realistic version, of course), THEY would have to want it. As we've seen in our spreading of democracy campaign..like the Iraqis, the Mexicans gotta want it.
I'm raping my country? I'm costing the state of california $5billion per year in healthcare and education? I'm bringing my drug cartel's reach into my neighborhood from the south?rawls2 wrote:
If you notice I deleted my post. I wasn't satisfied with the message.
First of Mexicans are not raping our Country. Its the lazy, egotistical, hypocrytical Americans that are doing the raping. Force people off welfare and into jobs.
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One more time in case you didn't get it the first time:IRONCHEF wrote:
I'm raping my country? I'm costing the state of california $5billion per year in healthcare and education? I'm bringing my drug cartel's reach into my neighborhood from the south?rawls2 wrote:
If you notice I deleted my post. I wasn't satisfied with the message.
First of Mexicans are not raping our Country. Its the lazy, egotistical, hypocrytical Americans that are doing the raping. Force people off welfare and into jobs.
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Its the lazy, egotistical, hypocrytical Americans that are doing the raping. Force people off welfare and into jobs.
If you have an honest job I am not refering to you. It is those on welfare that have babies to get a bigger check. The ones who refuse to take a minimum wage job because it is beneath them. Its the young homeless who feel its their right to live off the street and eat from dumsters or the 15 year old addicted to crack selling her body for the next fix. Its the gang member who walks around his neighborhood thinking he owns it because it is tatooed on the back of his head. Its the contractor who turns a nice profit because he only hires undocumented workers. Thats whos raping your country.
I'm sorry, I don't see how those elements are costing more than immigrants. Welfare is a government project that is poorly planned and executed. Getting rid of it or modifying it accordingly will not end mexican immigration. Ridding EVERY street of drug dealers will not stop mexican immigration. Do you think that if those on welfare got jobs, mexicans would not be coming here anymore? I"m obviously confused at your logic that equates welfare, homeless, gang bangers or contractors is more of an economic rape than illegal immigration. I agree that those things ALSO rape our economy and indulge laziness..but those are more easily controllable factors than that of illegal immigration.rawls2 wrote:
One more time in case you didn't get it the first time:IRONCHEF wrote:
I'm raping my country? I'm costing the state of california $5billion per year in healthcare and education? I'm bringing my drug cartel's reach into my neighborhood from the south?rawls2 wrote:
If you notice I deleted my post. I wasn't satisfied with the message.
First of Mexicans are not raping our Country. Its the lazy, egotistical, hypocrytical Americans that are doing the raping. Force people off welfare and into jobs.
*referenced posts deleted*
Its the lazy, egotistical, hypocrytical Americans that are doing the raping. Force people off welfare and into jobs.
If you have an honest job I am not refering to you. It is those on welfare that have babies to get a bigger check. The ones who refuse to take a minimum wage job because it is beneath them. Its the young homeless who feel its their right to live off the street and eat from dumsters or the 15 year old addicted to crack selling her body for the next fix. Its the gang member who walks around his neighborhood thinking he owns it because it is tatooed on the back of his head. Its the contractor who turns a nice profit because he only hires undocumented workers. Thats whos raping your country.
Perhaps I should say the urgency to rid ourselves of the plague of illegal immigration is greater than that of purging ourselves of abusive welfar, gangs, and tax-evading contractors.
Oh yeah, the illegals actually don't have a right to live here.
well they certainly can't put a stop to illegals, they'll lose a huge chunk of their voting base
Hopefully they will do just what the republicans wanted to do: Use this silly wall on the border as a public distraction, and give illegals citizenship to bolster our economy and the politicians pockets.
Open The Borders!!
I wasn't aware that you could "solve" a person.Harmor wrote:
Now that the Democrats are in power what is the new approach that the new congress will take to 'solve' the 12 million illegal immigrants in the United States?
how about kicking them out instead of rewarding them for breaking the law, and sending some of those lame ass legal residents on welfare out to pick those peaches?jonsimon wrote:
Hopefully they will do just what the republicans wanted to do: Use this silly wall on the border as a public distraction, and give illegals citizenship to bolster our economy and the politicians pockets.
Until we can work out an imigration policy, especially one that deals with illegal Mexicans...maybe we should put some of those excess land mines into use along the border? We've already paid for them, and unlike a wall that can be seen, those little bastards hide and you never know from where they will come!
Fadediesel wrote:
deeznutz1245 wrote:
Step #1 - Remove the Democrats from power.
Step # 2 - Thats it.
kr@cker wrote:
well they certainly can't put a stop to illegals, they'll lose a huge chunk of their voting base
Exactly... Bush's guest worker plan is the way to go.Kmarion wrote:
I guessing it doesn't have to do with crapping away money on a fence.
For those illegals that are here, deportation is an unlikely solution. Way too costly and wont solve some other guy from border jumping.
It starts by fining the shit out of businesses that choose to use illegals. This hopefully will discourage the continued hiring. As far as I know the government does not have harsh penalties for businesses that harbor illegals. Also, for those immigrants already here, we need to document them. This shouldnt be that hard to fucking do!! You set up a fine for being illegal, i.e. paying the misdemeanor fine, in order to get a visa, you must pay the penalty. Once the misdemeanor fee has been paid, you have to show where in mexico you are from, clean record in the US, and have to show proof of employment for over one year. This way a visa can get them on a path to getting their drivers license, insurance, buying a car, buy a home etc etc. Keep in mind that this is for the illegals already here living and working along side of us everyday. Believe me they dont want to live in the shadows, they just want to not have to go to jail or get booted out. We have 12 million illegals, if we document them, they will start to spend more money here in the US as opposed to only being able to send it back to mexico. You cant buy a house, get insurance, drive a car, etc etc without having some proof your allowed to be here.
To discourage those from coming over, I revert to the Mexican government. Basically fine them and hamper their economy if we dont see marked improvement! Unfortunatley their government is corrupt, and continues to look the other way while giving us lip service. They dont care cause they are outsourcing their poor population on us! But in all honestly hurting the businesses that hire these people is the best solution. If the mexicans know that they wont be blindly hired, things might get better. They might think twice about border jumping, and revert to going to the US embassy and applying for a visa the right way etc.
They are our neighbor, so we need to reach some sort of an agreement. We will need to NOT be stubborn, we might have to capitulate on somethings, but we need to do SOMETHING. These people arent going to leave, so we need to find a way to deal with them in a fair, humane, and economically sound manner!
It starts by fining the shit out of businesses that choose to use illegals. This hopefully will discourage the continued hiring. As far as I know the government does not have harsh penalties for businesses that harbor illegals. Also, for those immigrants already here, we need to document them. This shouldnt be that hard to fucking do!! You set up a fine for being illegal, i.e. paying the misdemeanor fine, in order to get a visa, you must pay the penalty. Once the misdemeanor fee has been paid, you have to show where in mexico you are from, clean record in the US, and have to show proof of employment for over one year. This way a visa can get them on a path to getting their drivers license, insurance, buying a car, buy a home etc etc. Keep in mind that this is for the illegals already here living and working along side of us everyday. Believe me they dont want to live in the shadows, they just want to not have to go to jail or get booted out. We have 12 million illegals, if we document them, they will start to spend more money here in the US as opposed to only being able to send it back to mexico. You cant buy a house, get insurance, drive a car, etc etc without having some proof your allowed to be here.
To discourage those from coming over, I revert to the Mexican government. Basically fine them and hamper their economy if we dont see marked improvement! Unfortunatley their government is corrupt, and continues to look the other way while giving us lip service. They dont care cause they are outsourcing their poor population on us! But in all honestly hurting the businesses that hire these people is the best solution. If the mexicans know that they wont be blindly hired, things might get better. They might think twice about border jumping, and revert to going to the US embassy and applying for a visa the right way etc.
They are our neighbor, so we need to reach some sort of an agreement. We will need to NOT be stubborn, we might have to capitulate on somethings, but we need to do SOMETHING. These people arent going to leave, so we need to find a way to deal with them in a fair, humane, and economically sound manner!
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The US tried to do that, at least companies. That was part of the outsouring that occured in the mid 90s becasue of the NAFTA. There was no big change, and they then ship it to China. Here is on example of a company doing this.CameronPoe wrote:
That's actually an interesting idea. Create a US owned-investment zone within Mexico. The Mexican government would soon close its fucking borders then.rawls2 wrote:
Stike a deal with Mexico allowing US citizens to own land in Mexico and vice versa. If Americans own land in Mexico it wont be long before the area will heavily developed stimulating the Mexican economy enough were illegals wont need to come here.Stingray24 wrote:
The wall is a start, but they were too busy worried about the ILLEGALS yelling racist whenever anything is suggested to keep illegals out or send them back. Now Dems are in power. Your move. And not the stupid amnesty for all 12 million idea, either.
BTW, this company is very "slow" when it comes to out sourcing. It just out sourced all of it's support last year, most tech companies have had their support out sourced for a lot longer. That is the reason why it is dated as 2000.
Last edited by dubbs (2006-11-08 22:28:13)
dunno well have to wait and see until jan 07
it's not like things happen right away sheesh
it's not like things happen right away sheesh
Democrats good for immigration changes - Mexico
09 November 2006
MEXICO CITY: Gains by Democrats in the US congressional elections may help promote more liberal immigration policies sought by Mexico, President Vicente Fox's spokesman has said.
Mexico has been deeply disappointed by President George W Bush's failure to convince his own House of Representatives Republicans to accept a guest worker programme that would allow millions of mostly Mexicans to work temporarily in the United States.
Instead, Republicans who controlled both the House and the Senate voted for a 1126km fence along part of the US-Mexican border to stem the huge flow of illegal immigrants.
That angered Mexico, which has more faith in the Democrats on immigration. In midterm elections on Tuesday, Democrats won control of the House and were near taking control of the Senate as vote counts continued in an outstanding race.
"We hope this new make-up of the US Congress can be a catalyst for the US government working toward a migration reform with the characteristics proposed by Mexico," Fox's spokesman Ruben Aguilar said.
Mexican President-elect Felipe Calderon, who takes office on Dec. 1, meets Bush in Washington on Thursday and is expected to raise complaints about the fence, which the US president signed into law last month.
The fencing will run along parts of four southwestern states – California, Arizona, New Mexico and Texas.
Mexico and other US allies in Latin America feel Washington neglected them after the September 11, 2001, attacks that they said diverted US attention from the region toward the Middle East.
Foreign Minister Luis Ernesto Derbez said he hoped the midterm elections would force the United States to concentrate more on its southern neighbours.
"I hope this also obliges the refocus toward our region, toward our nation," Derbez said.
Reuters
09 November 2006
MEXICO CITY: Gains by Democrats in the US congressional elections may help promote more liberal immigration policies sought by Mexico, President Vicente Fox's spokesman has said.
Mexico has been deeply disappointed by President George W Bush's failure to convince his own House of Representatives Republicans to accept a guest worker programme that would allow millions of mostly Mexicans to work temporarily in the United States.
Instead, Republicans who controlled both the House and the Senate voted for a 1126km fence along part of the US-Mexican border to stem the huge flow of illegal immigrants.
That angered Mexico, which has more faith in the Democrats on immigration. In midterm elections on Tuesday, Democrats won control of the House and were near taking control of the Senate as vote counts continued in an outstanding race.
"We hope this new make-up of the US Congress can be a catalyst for the US government working toward a migration reform with the characteristics proposed by Mexico," Fox's spokesman Ruben Aguilar said.
Mexican President-elect Felipe Calderon, who takes office on Dec. 1, meets Bush in Washington on Thursday and is expected to raise complaints about the fence, which the US president signed into law last month.
The fencing will run along parts of four southwestern states – California, Arizona, New Mexico and Texas.
Mexico and other US allies in Latin America feel Washington neglected them after the September 11, 2001, attacks that they said diverted US attention from the region toward the Middle East.
Foreign Minister Luis Ernesto Derbez said he hoped the midterm elections would force the United States to concentrate more on its southern neighbours.
"I hope this also obliges the refocus toward our region, toward our nation," Derbez said.
Reuters
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-cannot karma the same person within a 24 hour period-kr@cker wrote:
how about kicking them out instead of rewarding them for breaking the law, and sending some of those lame ass legal residents on welfare out to pick those peaches?jonsimon wrote:
Hopefully they will do just what the republicans wanted to do: Use this silly wall on the border as a public distraction, and give illegals citizenship to bolster our economy and the politicians pockets.
Darn, such a good post.
this increased expectation of america to become mexico's welfare provider coupled with the push to allow illegal aliens voting rights has my blood beginning to boil in a fashion that can only be described as pure hatred. I have only felt this once in my life, when people were attempting to steal the company my dad busted his ass for 15 years to build, and were flushing the profits he needed to retire down the casino toilets in vegas, my dad was vp, the pres of the company had started cheating on his wife with the secretary who miraculously became "office manager" and getting paid as much as the VP, and in turn hired all her friends and family at twice the company average even though they had zero experience in the field. that company is bankrupt now because my dad moved shop and took all his customers with him (accounted for 85% of the total customer base, he also snagged a few of the other 15%), both the pres and the secretary are undergoing respective divorces, and i myself stole one of their top ten paying contracts. vengence am good.
edit: and all of the prez's, secretary's (except for her husband's car), and most of her friend's/family's vehicles were company vehicles which are all slowly being auctioned off as the company scrapes for money to pay the bills, i was tempted to buy one and still might just to spite them, but i know what they do to the cars there and they all smoke like freight trains, the only clean one is the prez's wife's bmw 850 and she'll most likely keep it (i hope she can, she's a great lady)
edit: and all of the prez's, secretary's (except for her husband's car), and most of her friend's/family's vehicles were company vehicles which are all slowly being auctioned off as the company scrapes for money to pay the bills, i was tempted to buy one and still might just to spite them, but i know what they do to the cars there and they all smoke like freight trains, the only clean one is the prez's wife's bmw 850 and she'll most likely keep it (i hope she can, she's a great lady)
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If you think money-grubbing politicians, esspecially corrupt republicans, would turn down free tax revenues, you've got another thing coming!kr@cker wrote:
how about kicking them out instead of rewarding them for breaking the law, and sending some of those lame ass legal residents on welfare out to pick those peaches?jonsimon wrote:
Hopefully they will do just what the republicans wanted to do: Use this silly wall on the border as a public distraction, and give illegals citizenship to bolster our economy and the politicians pockets.
Sure, they say immigration is bad to appease the working class, but politicians really want those extra tax dollars, and for once their greed is good for America.
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