You can't be serious. GWB surpass, Hitler? You have to be joking. You're right about a Dem congress doing jack. GWB can just veto all their crap.IRONCHEF wrote:
He's got 2 more years, he could easily surpass Hitler in killing, terror, and destroying this country. Even if there's a DEM congress...he could still do worse. Like a Dem congress will do jack.
*dems take congress..first order of business...repeal the 2% raise congress gave themselves this year and make it 5%*
Poll
Which would be the greater threat to everyone?
| Hitler's regime | 47% | 47% - 43 | ||||
| Radical Islam | 52% | 52% - 48 | ||||
| Total: 91 | ||||||
The threat is that if they happen to smart up and unite they could outdo Hitler by a thousand times. Thats also the reassurance that things will work out because they are to sect/clan/tribal orientated to ever stop the in fighting.CameronPoe wrote:
Do you honestly think radical islam is realisitically comparable to the technical brilliance of the Germans and the fortitude of mind and spirit of those trapped in the freezing starving Stalingrad kessel? Read Stalingrad by Anthony Beevor and you'll see what true determination is about. As for evil intent? Do I need to explain to you that Hitler oversaw the deaths of 6 million civilian jews, communists, gypsies, etc. Radical islamists couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery, even if they manage the corner the entire worlds supply of box-cutters.Miller wrote:
There are a lot of lib opinions in this thread, need ATG and lowing to come and give theirs.
No surprise that Fox has scaremongered another poor American. Where's that gold ole US bravery? The stuff of Normandy beach eh? Take a leaf out of your ancestors books.
Although I have to admit that new prototype fighter jet they're developing is fairly scary - it can deploy a 10 ton payload of box-cutters in 0.8 seconds.
Britian established Iraq, it's borders and gave it a courts and legal system, which they promptly jettisoned in favor of strong man tribal rule, assasinations and overthrows. We are trying to do the same thing England failed at and may fail as well, and that is to help them into modern times.
I read Staligrad and admire the German soldier. Hitler abandon 600000 men of the 6th army to die in Stalingrad, demonstrating that he would never win; just too stupid. The soldiers starved and froze to death or died in prison camps because he didn't really love them, he used them for an insane quest.
It was also nationalism and racism that fueled the nazis. God fuels the islamofacist and they will not be content until they see the apocolypse.
It's amazing how increditably short sighted this sentiment is.CameronPoe wrote:
Hitler's regime - more organised/regimented, more popular, more capable, more destructive, more beneficial to its minions. Radical islam is a joke compared to Hitler. Which would you rather face - a Panzer column or a guy with some 'box-cutters'?
Box cutters and fake I.D.'s killed 3000 Americans, their quest is to obtain nuclear weapons. Because of their radical religious beliefs they are much more likely to use the weapons in a aggressive attack.
Excellent +1Des.Kmal wrote:
Radical Islam, or as I like to call them: extremists.
They are/were/going to be more of a threat to humanity, not because of their religion, but because of religion itself.
They are fighting for something, a good spot in Heaven (they think), 42 or 72 virgins(they think) and the religion itself.
Hitler... well, he just fought for himself.
So thats why extremists will always be more of a thread to humanity than a single person and a single army.
In the entire history of Arabs and the religion of Islam no one dominating force has been able to overcome their internal squabbles. They'd sooner stab each other in the back than unite and defeat Israel or any other enemy with an organised, determined army. Hitler was a god to the german people in the end, and that was their downfall.ATG wrote:
The threat is that if they happen to smart up and unite they could outdo Hitler by a thousand times. Thats also the reassurance that things will work out because they are to sect/clan/tribal orientated to ever stop the in fighting.
Britian established Iraq, it's borders and gave it a courts and legal system, which they promptly jettisoned in favor of strong man tribal rule, assasinations and overthrows. We are trying to do the same thing England failed at and may fail as well, and that is to help them into modern times.
I read Staligrad and admire the German soldier. Hitler abandon 600000 men of the 6th army to die in Stalingrad, demonstrating that he would never win; just too stupid. The soldiers starved and froze to death or died in prison camps because he didn't really love them, he used them for an insane quest.
It was also nationalism and racism that fueled the nazis. God fuels the islamofacist and they will not be content until they see the apocolypse.
Do not lecture an Irishman on how Britain are trying to 'help them into modern times'. You have absolutely no idea how incredibly viscerally angry that comment makes me. That comment has some gall. That sounds just like the empire builders of old. Well thank you no - I can do without the destruction of my culture, heritage, language, livelihood and the suspension of my rights to own land, rights to hold political office, rights to an education, rights to decent employment, rights to practice the religion of my choice, rights to speak my native language. The nerve. Perhaps unhindered the Iraqis will get their fucking act together themselves - a right denied the Irish until the 1920s. And what happened then - from third world status to best economy in Europe in 75 years. Don't give me the benevolent overlord BS.
PS I apologise to any decent British people who may find the above offensive.
Correction: box cutters, fake IDs and incredibly lax and complacent airport security. Airport security akin to the kind of border security witnessed along the Rio Grande. All very very preventable. They won't be repeating their box cutter trick now that the lesson has been learned. The warnings were there - the US should have taken a leaf out of Israeli airport security manuals: that was some of the heaviest shit border control I ever dealt with - if an Israeli passenger plane is ever blown up by a bomb or hijacked by men with box-cutters then I'll eat my hat.ATG wrote:
It's amazing how increditably short sighted this sentiment is.CameronPoe wrote:
Hitler's regime - more organised/regimented, more popular, more capable, more destructive, more beneficial to its minions. Radical islam is a joke compared to Hitler. Which would you rather face - a Panzer column or a guy with some 'box-cutters'?
Box cutters and fake I.D.'s killed 3000 Americans, their quest is to obtain nuclear weapons. Because of their radical religious beliefs they are much more likely to use the weapons in a aggressive attack.
How pray tell would these islamists a) develop technical expertise comparable to that of the US in the nuclear weaponry field, b) develop a comparable stockpile of nuclear warheads, c) fire a ballistic missile to a meaningful target in America over a distance of probably around 10000 miles, d) smuggle a dirty bomb through the new secure American borders and e) they'd probably end up killing each other with the goddamn technology first!
All they're capable of are sporadic biting at the Americans heels - they ain't got no Luftwaffe, they aren't a contiguous enough network of people, their vision is short-sighted and as another poster said: they've been around for centuries and still haven't achieved much more than killing vast numbers of each other.
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REDNECK KARMA!!! +1CameronPoe wrote:
they ain't got no
Last edited by kr@cker (2006-11-07 09:20:07)
seriously though, all they have to do is buy one short range delivery system and launch it from the deck of a container ship
Yes and get that here + a nuke here + miss the coast gaurd. Plus get the funding for the weapons, I'm sure the going rate of a nuke is very high. Also find someone who would sell them a Nuke, most radical islamics aren't really trusted by anyone.. Etc. etc. etc.
Compairing Hitler to Radical Islam, is like comparing Genghis Kong to Radical Christianity... This is why Fox News sucks..
Compairing Hitler to Radical Islam, is like comparing Genghis Kong to Radical Christianity... This is why Fox News sucks..
Yeah, as I said before. Hitler was fighting/going to war over himself. Greed. Envy?
Radical Islam(meh, not totally correct, almost want to say terrorists) are killing people because of their Religion. Ask a devout Christian if he will fight for God. Hell yes he will. All Hitler was doing was getting some material things that might make him happy in this life on earth.
Radical terrorists are fighting for this life on earth and the afterlife.
Thanks ATG btw.
Radical Islam(meh, not totally correct, almost want to say terrorists) are killing people because of their Religion. Ask a devout Christian if he will fight for God. Hell yes he will. All Hitler was doing was getting some material things that might make him happy in this life on earth.
Radical terrorists are fighting for this life on earth and the afterlife.
Thanks ATG btw.
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I'm gonna go with Radical Islam (or any other guerilla extremist force). Undercover enemies are much more worrisome to the world than Nazies, because you can't get rid of an enemy that acts like a hydra. Getting rid of a big target like the Nazies is no cakewalk, but it actually is possible.
Guerilla enemies also don't bother with things like borders or official declarations of war. They strike whenever they feel like it. No target is off limits.
Guerilla enemies also don't bother with things like borders or official declarations of war. They strike whenever they feel like it. No target is off limits.
Islamic radicals.
Hitler has been dead for 61 years so I doubt he is a threat to anyone.
Hitler has been dead for 61 years so I doubt he is a threat to anyone.
Isn't that what I said?unnamednewbie13 wrote:
Actually, Radical Islam wants everyone to convert to their kind of Muslim faith. Doesn't matter what race you are, as long as you worship Allah like they worship Allah.ts-pulsar wrote:
Hmmm both are pretty bad, I really kind of have to say that it wouldn't really matter, Hitler and radical Islam both want-ed everyone to convert to their thinking or die. Hitler is probably worse though, he was going for racial purity, so anyone who affiliated with another race was killed (he actually didn't want every race dead, just for the races to be pure). Radical Islam just wants everyone to convert, doesn't matter what race you are, as long as your Muslim.
CameronPoe wrote:
Hitler's regime - more organised/regimented, more popular, more capable, more destructive, more beneficial to its minions. Radical islam is a joke compared to Hitler. Which would you rather face - a Panzer column or a guy with some 'box-cutters'?
It's not about bravery. It's about stupidity.CameronPoe wrote:
Where's that gold ole US bravery? The stuff of Normandy beach eh? Take a leaf out of your ancestors books.
People who get scared by the media are just fucking stupid and/or looking for a reason to hate someone.
Exactly.CameronPoe wrote:
Correction: box cutters, fake IDs and incredibly lax and complacent airport security. Airport security akin to the kind of border security witnessed along the Rio Grande. All very very preventable. They won't be repeating their box cutter trick now that the lesson has been learned. The warnings were there - the US should have taken a leaf out of Israeli airport security manuals: that was some of the heaviest shit border control I ever dealt with - if an Israeli passenger plane is ever blown up by a bomb or hijacked by men with box-cutters then I'll eat my hat.
How pray tell would these islamists a) develop technical expertise comparable to that of the US in the nuclear weaponry field, b) develop a comparable stockpile of nuclear warheads, c) fire a ballistic missile to a meaningful target in America over a distance of probably around 10000 miles, d) smuggle a dirty bomb through the new secure American borders and e) they'd probably end up killing each other with the goddamn technology first!
All they're capable of are sporadic biting at the Americans heels - they ain't got no Luftwaffe, they aren't a contiguous enough network of people, their vision is short-sighted and as another poster said: they've been around for centuries and still haven't achieved much more than killing vast numbers of each other.
Anyway, they'd have to pull a 9/11 3666 more times to even come close to what Hitler did. Thats 1 9/11 a day for the next 10 years.
Right...i'm going to go on with my life and worry about things that actually will affect me.
oh yeah broke the tie
This poll thread is testament to the power of the media.
Does anyone here do/did do policy debate? Ever heard of the Terror Talk K? Terrorism only continues because it thrives on the fear that it instills in enemies. Therefore, Hitler was by far the worst.
Null vote, too close to call.
Exactly.chkr wrote:
hitler is a man, you killed him his regime is over .......RADICAL ISLAM is a religion it will never die or go away .......think about it!!!!!!
Malloy must go
3 whole posts before this happened, it must suck to live in a country that no one cares about politicallyPoint&Shoot wrote:
W
nuf said
I was confused during the vote. I didnt know what button to push because Im a fucking moron. WAIT!! There is a hanging chad.................I want a recount!!!!!
Malloy must go
3 points
Hitler was trying to make nukes
Hitler killed slightly more than 3000 americans
The Nazis haven't been wiped out. There are still Nazi organisations across most of the western world.
Hitler was trying to make nukes
Hitler killed slightly more than 3000 americans
The Nazis haven't been wiped out. There are still Nazi organisations across most of the western world.
Except you missed the part about sectism.ts-pulsar wrote:
Isn't that what I said?unnamednewbie13 wrote:
Actually, Radical Islam wants everyone to convert to their kind of Muslim faith. Doesn't matter what race you are, as long as you worship Allah like they worship Allah.ts-pulsar wrote:
Hmmm both are pretty bad, I really kind of have to say that it wouldn't really matter, Hitler and radical Islam both want-ed everyone to convert to their thinking or die. Hitler is probably worse though, he was going for racial purity, so anyone who affiliated with another race was killed (he actually didn't want every race dead, just for the races to be pure). Radical Islam just wants everyone to convert, doesn't matter what race you are, as long as your Muslim.
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Des.Kmal wrote:
Radical Islam, or as I like to call them: extremists.
They are/were/going to be more of a threat to humanity, not because of their religion, but because of religion itself.
They are fighting for something, a good spot in Heaven (they think), 42 or 72 virgins(they think) and the religion itself.
Hitler... well, he just fought for himself.
So thats why extremists will always be more of a threat to humanity than a single person and a single army.
Can anyone find a flaw in this? I mean, what could Hitler POSSIBLY be fighting for?Des.Kmal wrote:
Yeah, as I said before. Hitler was fighting/going to war over himself. Greed. Envy?
Radical Islam(meh, not totally correct, almost want to say terrorists) are killing people because of their Religion. Ask a devout Christian if he will fight for God. Hell yes he will. All Hitler was doing was getting some material things that might make him happy in this life on earth.
Radical terrorists are fighting for this life on earth and the afterlife.
Thanks ATG btw.
Add me on Origin for Battlefield 4 fun: DesKmal
Obsession, yep thats why everyone in Congress including the Dems voted to go after terrorists and those who supported them (Oh you forgot, Saddam harboring terrorists, say it aint so.)Miller wrote:
I have just finished watching FOX and their Obsession: Radical Islam and the world. I would like to know the forums idea of who or what would be more dangerous. Don't give any bull, just a straight up anwser to the question.
A straight up answer, the times they are a changing, Bob Dylan wrote in a song, the greater threat is obviously Islam as the world is changing much faster than it did in the 40's. With more expansion and Islam birth rates capitulating those of any Western country, you better believe. Now Listen closely, Islam is a wonderful religion with many peaceful followers, however 5% of them are radical, which is roughly 10 million people that want to see the way we live destroyed, thats no small number. With modern society and the advent of new technology, Islam is by far the greater threat.
In my opinion, of course. Good day.
hitler shot himself in the headchkr wrote:
hitler is a man, you killed him his regime is over .......RADICAL ISLAM is a religion it will never die or go away .......think about it!!!!!!