wreck® wrote:
.... Bla bla lotasa bullshit .....
1) YOU try writing stuff in a language that's not your native tongue, and then come talk to me about typos !
2) I have no problems with accepting arguments, when they're clearly and intelligently put, like Phoenix did. Unlike yours. At least he has the ability to infer from my arguments what my background is. Apparently you dont even have the ability to read my entire post, nor his.
3) It IS easy to hit a target at 300 ft, as long as that target is big enough. I never said anything about hitting dead center within an inch or whatever. I can do that shit at 45 ft, not at 300. And yeah, I will forgive you for doubting my skills. But you come back after 10 years of practice with the same gun, firing around 100 shots a week, and tell me you STILL can't hit squat, then you have to have some sort of physical illness, because not learning to shoot after THAT many bullets is not normal ! And yes, I CAN teach someone to hit a stationary target at 300 feet with the right gun. As long as your hand is steady, and your aim is true, then it's all about elevation (and wind if that's a factor). If you can't understand basic MATH (raising your arm), or are unable to copy the actions you did to hit the first time, then that'd make you dumber than a monkey ! I'm not saying that you are, I'm just saying, learn to hit what you're aiming at, and then try to do the same thing at a target 300 ft away. It's not that hard to do. You may miss a lot the first couple of thousand shots, but with practice, you WILL be able to hit the target more frequently, and eventually, missing it will be uncommon. Also do NOT confuse the olypic size RIFLE targets with the HANDGUN targets used. A handgun target is about 3 times as big (!) you would ofcourse know this if you had ever been to a proper shooting range, or in the army.
4) I'll admit to having little knowledge of using shotguns, and being very bad at using these due to little practice, as my entire training has been based on rifles and pistols. And as shotguns are in theory not allowed to be used during war (geneva convention), the army will not train people in using these. I DO however know that there IS no stock on a pistol grip shotgun (at least not on any that I've seen, including mine). So much for your argument there. I know there ARE shotguns with stocks, and I know that most shotguns have these, this would include guns for shooting skeet, or hunting. And yeah, duck hunting IS fun, but then we're back to the part about me not being able to hit with one.
5) I'll ALSO speculate to the fact that IF you face a situation in which you are afraid for your life, or that of your familys, you'd want a weapon that you're familiar with, as adrenaline will be pumping REAL fast and screwing up your aim, feel free to test my theorm by simply running a mile as fast as you can, then try to shoot your gun. This is probably my main complaint about the use of a shotgun, I dont like the fact that I have to use a weapon I'm not familiar with, and I am not very familiar with the use of my new shotgun. And yeah, I call it luck whenever you hit anything with a shotgun or full auto weapon. But sure, same as with the handguns or rifles, there may be circumstances that will make the hitting easier. I for one cannot yet hit anything with my shotgun, yet. You may be better at shooting a shotgun than me, I have no idea.
6) As for your show of glaring incompetence about the armys use of full auto weapons, I can only speculate that you yourself have no formal training in the use of weapons, certainly no army training. Otherwise you would KNOW the statistics, in war less than 1% of the bullets fired hit anything, so historically it's been about putting the most lead in the air ! Full auto is good for this. In recent years, most professional armies have long since acknowledged this fact, and started the practice of teaching the soldiers to AIM. Thus my focus on the use of aiming, aside from the basic training in maintenance of weapons and weapons safety training, most modern armies WILL focus a LOT on aiming and practice. In fact, today most modern armies have a minimum amount of time/bullets you have to expend each year, and these rules are there not because it's a good idea to spend thousands or millions of dollars on ammunition, but because this will make the soldiers better at using their weapons, thus hitting more frequently, and hopefully making them better able to survive combat. When you see a guy picking up a fully automatic weapon, I WILL GUARANTEE that he will have at least 2-3 years knowledge and practice in shooting the thing before he can hit using full auto. This is why most professionals use small bursts. LMGs are somewhat different, but that's mainly because they're normally mounted on something, and then again, you dont use an LMG (or TMG for that matter) for precision shooting ! Sure it looks nice on TV, and I guess that's why street gangs in the US uses them (automatic weapons, not TMGs, I hope). it's intimidating, but not really very effective if you dont know how to use the weapon.
7) I will admit that hitting a moving target requires a lot of practice, and targets moving at variable speeds is even more difficult, and frequently ends up being largely the luck of the draw. That's not to say that it's not possible, nor that circumstances wont make hitting the target easier (size, speed, and most importantly PRACTICE etc.) and I can usually hit a moving target at close range, frequently at medium ranges, and sometimes on long or extreme ranges. With practice so can you. So dont blame me because you wont put in the time and effort to bettering your skills. There are lots of people out there that WILL. People who will shoot guns not because of the "big bang", but for competetive purposes.
8) Fine go ahead and think of me as being the incarnation of Calamity Jane or Lucky Luke. I may be good, but even with all of my practice, and skills, I assure you that there are guys out there a LOT better than me, and they ALSO have no problem hitting a target at 300 feet (though we normally compete at only 45-150 feet so the beginners can join in aswell). Because you never tried firing a gun with the express purpose of actually HITTING your target, that doens't mean that the rest of us hasn't, so dont blame me for being better at hitting things than you are. Try it and with practice and proper instruction, anyone can do it.
9) when I talk about "alternate loadouts", I mean making your own ammo. I dont know how rich YOU are, but for those of use who fire many thousands of shots, loading your own ammo is a must, and will easily save me upwards of $1000 a year ! And while I haven't bought a loader that'll fit my shotgun shells, some of the stuff that the other guys on the range make DOES put scratches in the pipe, causes exessive fumes and fouling etc. etc. It may be because they use cheap powder, load too much, mix it wrong, or something else, but all that stuff I do NOT want to happen to my favorite revolver, nor any other of my more expensive guns. I rarely fire my black powder weapons for the same reasons, wear and tear on a cheap weapon is much more intensive than on a high quality modern gun. A cheap shotgun is just fine to screw up that way. You may feel differently, especially if your shotgun is a $10.000 one. Let me just assure you that mine ISNT in that price range.
Now flame away all you want, I will not sully up this thread any furhter, it's not about arguing who's the better shot, it's about the guns. So untill I get back home to make pictures of my guns for you, I will not post in this thread again.
