Sylvanis
........
+13|6892|Toronto, Ontario
Wow, it boggles me how much some people are attached to a patch of dirt. 
Fine, Jews were there first.  Now they can go out and kill anyone who walks on their land.
Muslims, if you're constitution demands the destruction of Israel, then destroy it.  Kill as many as you can.
The rest of the world will build a giant cage around the area and broadcast it on pay-per-view, Thunder Dome style.

Have at it kids, fight over your sandbox.

Last edited by Sylvanis (2006-11-03 10:12:25)

Cybargs
Moderated
+2,285|6973

[UTQ]_Ausch88 wrote:

rawls2 wrote:

[UTQ]_Ausch88 wrote:

LOL

Looks like the ISRAELI is losing support..

the world is waking up..  this time i think you will be alone waging your religious war on the muslim people

good luck against IRAN.. without the american support, ISRAEL will be destroyed

and we all know that "terrorism" will be down 75% after the illegal "state" of ISRAEL will be wiped from the map

lisik you are giving a bad name to the real jews out there..
LOL
When Israel invades Iran it will be with the full support of the US milittary. All covert of course.
ISRAEL will never invade IRAN.. they will ask AMERICA to do it for them..

AMERICA will tell ISRAEL to fight her religious war alone

then ISRAEL will try to bomb IRAN nuclear power plant, IRAN will send tousands of missiles toward ISRAEL

ISRAEL will respond with a tactical nuke

Russia will retaliate by nuking ISRAEL

AMERICA will sit back and watch.. because they will know that ISRAEL is the one who started it all once again
Your stupid. America wouldn't just watch, they would join the invasion. Iran = Oil.
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Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|6838|SE London

Lisik wrote:

IRONCHEF wrote:

Lisik wrote:

Im intresting how much peoples knew them. And it is facts, there is nothing to talk about. Just to read and remember.

1. Israel became a state circa 1030 B.C., more than two millennia before Islam.

2. Arabs from Israel first began to be called "Palestinians" in 1967 by Yasser Arafat and other Arab leaders, two decades after modern Israeli statehood.

3. After conquering the land in about 1250 B.C., Jews ruled it for more than 1,300 years and have maintained a continuous presence there for 3,300 years.

4. For over 3,000 years, Jerusalem was the Jewish capital. It was never the capital of any Arab or Muslim entity. Even under Jordanian rule, (East) Jerusalem was not made the capital, and no Arab leader came to visit it.

5. Jerusalem is mentioned over 700 times in the Bible, but not once is it mentioned in the Qur'an.

6. King David founded Jerusalem; Mohammed never set foot in it.

7. Jews pray facing Jerusalem; Muslims face Mecca. If they are between the two cities, Muslims pray facing Mecca, with their backs to Jerusalem.

8. In 1948, Arab leaders urged their people to leave, promising to cleanse the land of Jewish presence—some 70% of them fled without ever being ordered by Israel to leave, most of those without ever having seen an Israeli soldier.

9. Virtually the entire Jewish population of Muslim countries had to flee as the result of violence and pogroms.

10. Some 650,000 Arabs left Israel in 1948, while about 850,000 Jews were forced to leave Muslim countries.

11. In spite of the vast territories at their disposal, Arab refugees from Palestine were deliberately prevented from assimilating into their host countries. Of 100 million refugees following World War II, they are the only group to have never integrated with their coreligionists. Most of the Jewish refugees from Europe and Arab lands were settled in Israel, a country no larger than New Jersey.

12. There are 22 Arab countries (with 800 times the land mass of Israel), not counting the Palestinian territories. There is only one Jewish state. Arabs started all five wars against Israel, and lost every one of them.

13. The Fatah and Hamas constitutions still call for the destruction of Israel. Israel has agreed under several proposals to cede most of the West Bank and all of Gaza to the Palestinian Authority, and even supported the arming of its police force after the Oslo Accords in 1993.

14. During the Jordanian occupation, Jewish holy sites were vandalized and were off limits to Jews. Under Israeli rule, all Muslim and Christian holy sites are accessible to all faiths and maintained in good order at Israel’s expense.

15. Out of 175 United Nations Security Council resolutions up to 1990, 97 were against Israel; out of 690 General Assembly resolutions, 429 were against Israel;

16. The U.N. was silent when the Jordanians destroyed 58 synagogues in the old city of Jerusalem. It remained silent while Jordan systematically desecrated the ancient Jewish cemetery on the Mount of Olives, and it remained silent when Jordan enforced apartheid laws preventing Jews from accessing the Temple Mount and Western Wall (Kotel).
Many of these facts are total BS.  2,3,6 to mention a few..i stopped reading after about 8 or so.  Facts based on history bring us to this question..."Who's history is it?"
Planet Earth.
Not this one. Maybe on some fantasy world, but many of the 'facts' you outline, are complete fabrications.

I defy you to prove points 1, 2 and 6. You won't be able to because they are not true, for reasons which I have outlined earlier.
[UTQ]_Ausch88
Banned
+23|6752

cyborg_ninja-117 wrote:

[UTQ]_Ausch88 wrote:

rawls2 wrote:


LOL
When Israel invades Iran it will be with the full support of the US milittary. All covert of course.
ISRAEL will never invade IRAN.. they will ask AMERICA to do it for them..

AMERICA will tell ISRAEL to fight her religious war alone

then ISRAEL will try to bomb IRAN nuclear power plant, IRAN will send tousands of missiles toward ISRAEL

ISRAEL will respond with a tactical nuke

Russia will retaliate by nuking ISRAEL

AMERICA will sit back and watch.. because they will know that ISRAEL is the one who started it all once again
Your stupid. America wouldn't just watch, they would join the invasion. Iran = Oil.
Not this time my friend

Americans are tired to die for the safety of ISRAEL
Stingray24
Proud member of the vast right-wing conspiracy
+1,060|6702|The Land of Scott Walker

[UTQ]_Ausch88 wrote:

rawls2 wrote:

LOL
When Israel invades Iran it will be with the full support of the US milittary. All covert of course.
ISRAEL will never invade IRAN.. they will ask AMERICA to do it for them..

AMERICA will tell ISRAEL to fight her religious war alone
Israel is fighting a religious war, Arab nations are fighting a religious war, Israel is fighting a war for land, Arab nations are fighting a war for land . . . which is it?  Depends on who you support.  Even without American support, Israel will not be destroyed, they have always held their own whenever the nations around them attack.   

[UTQ]_Ausch88 wrote:

. . . then ISRAEL will try to bomb IRAN nuclear power plant, IRAN will send tousands of missiles toward ISRAEL

ISRAEL will respond with a tactical nuke

Russia will retaliate by nuking ISRAEL

AMERICA will sit back and watch.. because they will know that ISRAEL is the one who started it all once again
Or . . . .

Israel successfully takes out Iran's nuclear facility and, knowing the US will back Israel, Iran does nothing.

Or . . .

America continues to support Israel and helps them wipe Ahmadinejad and his merry band of nutjobs off the earth. 

Or . . .

IsraeL uses nukes first.  Mushroom cloud.  Iran has no nukes.  Russia will not nuke Israel.  Israel +1

Or . . . (best solution)

Ahmadinejad dies by a medical condition called specops-doubletap-to-headitis.
Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|6838|SE London

Stingray24 wrote:

[UTQ]_Ausch88 wrote:

rawls2 wrote:

LOL
When Israel invades Iran it will be with the full support of the US milittary. All covert of course.
ISRAEL will never invade IRAN.. they will ask AMERICA to do it for them..

AMERICA will tell ISRAEL to fight her religious war alone
Israel is fighting a religious war, Arab nations are fighting a religious war, Israel is fighting a war for land, Arab nations are fighting a war for land . . . which is it?  Depends on who you support.  Even without American support, Israel will not be destroyed, they have always held their own whenever the nations around them attack.
It's both. Land first and foremost, but religion plays a part too.

Stingray24 wrote:

[UTQ]_Ausch88 wrote:

. . . then ISRAEL will try to bomb IRAN nuclear power plant, IRAN will send tousands of missiles toward ISRAEL

ISRAEL will respond with a tactical nuke

Russia will retaliate by nuking ISRAEL

AMERICA will sit back and watch.. because they will know that ISRAEL is the one who started it all once again
Or . . . .

Israel successfully takes out Iran's nuclear facility and, knowing the US will back Israel, Iran does nothing.

Or . . .

America continues to support Israel and helps them wipe Ahmadinejad and his merry band of nutjobs off the earth. 

Or . . .

IsraeL uses nukes first.  Mushroom cloud.  Iran has no nukes.  Russia will not nuke Israel.  Israel +1

Or . . . (best solution)

Ahmadinejad dies by a medical condition called specops-doubletap-to-headitis.
No one is going to be nuking anyone. Iran doesn't have nukes and Israel wouldn't be stupid enough to use them, because it would effectively spell the end of the state of Israel as it currently exists.

Nor will the US go into Iran anytime soon, not after the whole Iraq debacle.

If Iran did have nukes though......       They might nuke the Israelis, because a fundamentalist Islamic leader is stupid enough to do virtually anything.
JahManRed
wank
+646|6885|IRELAND

Shooting unarmed women in the back as they run now.
Just watched the footage on TV. Yes they came to help their men folk who the Israeli's say are terrorists, others say freedom fighters. The Israelis fire a few warning shots and then as the women turn to run, they shot two in the backs. Cowards of the highest order. If you try and justify this, which I'm sure some of you will, remember their was only one man among the 200 odd women and he was clearly unarmed.
The fact that these unarmed mothers and wives marched towards trigger happy Israeli troops just shows you how desperate these people are with their situation.
The 'terrorists' escaped because the Israelis were too busy shooting soft targets and took their eyes of the real targets.
TheDarkRaven
ATG's First Disciple
+263|6881|Birmingham, UK
"7. Jews pray facing Jerusalem; Muslims face Mecca. If they are between the two cities, Muslims pray facing Mecca, with their backs to Jerusalem."

Well...Don't Jews pray facing Jerusalem with their backs to Mecca? Isn't this a point worth covering? This seems to show a bit of prejudice from the author...
rawls2
Mr. Bigglesworth
+89|6817

[UTQ]_Ausch88 wrote:

rawls2 wrote:

[UTQ]_Ausch88 wrote:

LOL

Looks like the ISRAELI is losing support..

the world is waking up..  this time i think you will be alone waging your religious war on the muslim people

good luck against IRAN.. without the american support, ISRAEL will be destroyed

and we all know that "terrorism" will be down 75% after the illegal "state" of ISRAEL will be wiped from the map

lisik you are giving a bad name to the real jews out there..
LOL
When Israel invades Iran it will be with the full support of the US milittary. All covert of course.
ISRAEL will never invade IRAN.. they will ask AMERICA to do it for them..

AMERICA will tell ISRAEL to fight her religious war alone

then ISRAEL will try to bomb IRAN nuclear power plant, IRAN will send tousands of missiles toward ISRAEL

ISRAEL will respond with a tactical nuke

Russia will retaliate by nuking ISRAEL

AMERICA will sit back and watch.. because they will know that ISRAEL is the one who started it all once again
When are you going to start with the non-fiction info.
wah1188
You orrible caaaaaaan't
+321|6717|UK

TheDarkRaven wrote:

"7. Jews pray facing Jerusalem; Muslims face Mecca. If they are between the two cities, Muslims pray facing Mecca, with their backs to Jerusalem."

Well...Don't Jews pray facing Jerusalem with their backs to Mecca? Isn't this a point worth covering? This seems to show a bit of prejudice from the author...
Yeah that fact has nothing to do with what your are aiming to prove.

Indeed maybe you should have not had from Israel on the side, then I wouldn't have dismissed this as 80% bs. Being honest Israel is like the one armed kid in mouthy kid in high school. Everyone wants to fucking kill him although it may not be politically correct but he has a cousin who'd knock everyone out (USA).

Last edited by wah1188 (2006-11-03 11:36:31)

rawls2
Mr. Bigglesworth
+89|6817

JahManRed wrote:

Shooting unarmed women in the back as they run now.
Just watched the footage on TV. Yes they came to help their men folk who the Israeli's say are terrorists, others say freedom fighters. The Israelis fire a few warning shots and then as the women turn to run, they shot two in the backs. Cowards of the highest order. If you try and justify this, which I'm sure some of you will, remember their was only one man among the 200 odd women and he was clearly unarmed.
The fact that these unarmed mothers and wives marched towards trigger happy Israeli troops just shows you how desperate these people are with their situation.
The 'terrorists' escaped because the Israelis were too busy shooting soft targets and took their eyes of the real targets.
Looks like the Israeli soldiers did these women a favor. Looks like they sent them to heaven early so they could be with Muhamed and all the virgens. So whats the problem?

Last edited by rawls2 (2006-11-03 11:36:23)

SaladForks
/ph34r
+129|6839|Eastern USA

Lisik wrote:

there is nothing to talk about.
"Debate and Serious Talk"

KEN-JENNINGS
I am all that is MOD!
+2,979|6889|949

this list of "facts" came from one of the most anti-muslim websites ever created.  Facts and Logic About the Middle East

Pure propaganda, keep spouting more bullshit Lisik.

edit: keep trying to convince us Israel is in the right.

Last edited by KEN-JENNINGS (2006-11-03 11:54:47)

Masques
Black Panzer Party
+184|6979|Eastern PA

Stingray24 wrote:

Or . . . .

Israel successfully takes out Iran's nuclear facility and, knowing the US will back Israel, Iran does nothing.

Or . . .

America continues to support Israel and helps them wipe Ahmadinejad and his merry band of nutjobs off the earth. 

Or . . .

IsraeL uses nukes first.  Mushroom cloud.  Iran has no nukes.  Russia will not nuke Israel.  Israel +1

Or . . . (best solution)

Ahmadinejad dies by a medical condition called specops-doubletap-to-headitis.
There's no way that Israel could launch a conventional strike against Iran. Lots of people point to the destruction of the Osirak facility in Iraq without noting that the facility in question was above ground for all to see and attacking it pushed Israel's capabilities to their limits, almost causing mission failure. Iran's facilities are well hidden and guarded by a modern, Russian-supplied air defense system, Iran's terrain is mountainous (which works well for defense), and the distance Israel would have to traverse to accomplish this task ranges from slightly less than to almost 3 times that of the Osirak operation (depending on the facility, remember, Iran has several known facilities and who knows how many unknown).

Israel really has no pretext to attack Iran (terrorism isn't enough and we've already covered the operational issues for an airstrike, ground invasion would be infinitely harder even with US logistical support). Considering the time Israel had with trying to "teach the Lebanese a lesson" I doubt they would fare much better against an actual competent functioning military. I do also recall that Iraq was supposed to be a "cakewalk", the Iraqis would support the glorious intervention by the US, and all forces would be out of the country in 6 mos. Iran is 3.7x larger than Iraq by land area and 2.3x by population. Israel wouldn't be able to do it (again even with US support and the use of nukes, which is a different issue altogether).

Finally, simply put, if Israel initiates a nuclear first strike against Iran, Israel will end. Even the US wouldn't be able to stop the backlash of such an action.

The Israeli military, while certainly more than competent, is not some kind of super army (as the recent debacle in Lebanon should more than prove). One question, if Israel has these kinds of super capabilities, then why has it not already carried out attacks on Iran or even Syria?
Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|6838|SE London

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

this list of "facts" came from one of the most anti-muslim websites ever created.  Facts and Logic About the Middle East

Pure propaganda, keep spouting more bullshit Lisik.
So it does. Shame it's all nonsense you would have to be retarded to believe.

Nice find.
Lisik
Member
+74|6758|Israel

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

this list of "facts" came from one of the most anti-muslim websites ever created.  Facts and Logic About the Middle East

Pure propaganda, keep spouting more bullshit Lisik.

edit: keep trying to convince us Israel is in the right.
lol u can find thousands links to this list so what? your post just make u looks stupid in my eyes, coz it wasn't taked from link u posted!!!!
Spearhead
Gulf coast redneck hippy
+731|6947|Tampa Bay Florida

Lisik wrote:

1. Israel became a state circa 1030 B.C., more than two millennia before Islam.
Two millenia is four thousand years.  It's the year 2006.  So, according to you, Islam "became a state" in the year 3006. 

Lisik, lol ok yes no really lol!  I didn't not yes no think that your Palestinian yes murderers no English could yes maybe Israel rules lol get worse.
[UTQ]_Ausch88
Banned
+23|6752

rawls2 wrote:

JahManRed wrote:

Shooting unarmed women in the back as they run now.
Just watched the footage on TV. Yes they came to help their men folk who the Israeli's say are terrorists, others say freedom fighters. The Israelis fire a few warning shots and then as the women turn to run, they shot two in the backs. Cowards of the highest order. If you try and justify this, which I'm sure some of you will, remember their was only one man among the 200 odd women and he was clearly unarmed.
The fact that these unarmed mothers and wives marched towards trigger happy Israeli troops just shows you how desperate these people are with their situation.
The 'terrorists' escaped because the Israelis were too busy shooting soft targets and took their eyes of the real targets.
Looks like the Israeli soldiers did these women a favor. Looks like they sent them to heaven early so they could be with Muhamed and all the virgens. So whats the problem?
grow up kid
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6858|132 and Bush

Spearhead wrote:

Lisik, lol ok yes no really lol!  I didn't not yes no think that your Palestinian yes murderers no English could yes maybe Israel rules lol get worse.
I am sure that was something really clever but you lost me man..lol
Xbone Stormsurgezz
Lisik
Member
+74|6758|Israel

Spearhead wrote:

Lisik wrote:

1. Israel became a state circa 1030 B.C., more than two millennia before Islam.
Two millenia is four thousand years.  It's the year 2006.  So, according to you, Islam "became a state" in the year 3006. 

Lisik, lol ok yes no really lol!  I didn't not yes no think that your Palestinian yes murderers no English could yes maybe Israel rules lol get worse.
One entry found for millennium.


Main Entry: mil·len·ni·um
Pronunciation: m&-'le-nE-&m
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural mil·len·nia  /-nE-& /; or -niums
Etymology: New Latin, from Latin mille thousand + New Latin -ennium (as in biennium)
1 a : the thousand years mentioned in Revelation 20 during which holiness is to prevail and Christ is to reign on earth b : a period of great happiness or human perfection
2 a : a period of 1000 years; especially : one reckoned from the beginning of the Christian era <at the start of the third millennium> b : a 1000th anniversary or its celebration


ad two millenium to 1030 B.C and u will get the day of islam has born!

Last edited by Lisik (2006-11-03 12:26:28)

Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|6838|SE London

Spearhead wrote:

Lisik wrote:

1. Israel became a state circa 1030 B.C., more than two millennia before Islam.
Two millenia is four thousand years.
No it isn't. 2 millenia is 2000 years, not 4.
Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|6838|SE London

Lisik wrote:

ad two millenium to 1030 B.C and u will get the day of islam has born!
No, you don't.

Islam was founded in the 7th century AD. That's the year 600ish. -1030 + 2000 = 970. You claimed it was more than two millenia, it wasn't. You're out by more than 3 centuries.
Zimmer
Un Moderador
+1,688|7013|Scotland

After a long 3 pages of flaming, proving you wrong and random stuff I have come to the conclusion that there is no need for this thread to stay open.
You got proven wrong and have been showed the real facts.

Not really Debate and Serious talk once you see it is all a pack of shit.

Bleh.
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