The_Shipbuilder
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Depending on who's spinning this news, the latest Commerce Dept report is either more bad news for the current administration or is nothing special and will cause polls to go sideways.

Either way - it doesn't help.

Chicago Trib wrote:

Sluggish economy rises 1.6%
Housing slowdown blamed for weak growth

By James P. Miller
Tribune staff reporter
Published October 28, 2006

The U.S. economy, dragged down by the free-fall in the housing sector, managed only a weaker-than-expected 1.6 percent annualized growth rate in the third quarter, the Commerce Department reported Friday.

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That performance, the economy's slowest expansion in 3 1/2 years, was more muted than the lethargic 2.0 percent most experts had been expecting for growth in the nation's gross domestic product. And the principal reason for the shortfall wasn't hard to find.

"Growth was hit by the buzz saw of markedly weaker housing, as residential investment plunged at a 17.4 percent rate on the heels of an already sharp 11.1 percent dive in the prior quarter," said BMO Nesbitt Burns economist Douglas Porter.

An economic slowdown is well under way, said Ken Mayland of Clear View Economics, and it "clearly has farther to go."

But while the latest GDP figure is likely to boost fears that the U.S. is on the verge of a recession, he predicted the current economic easing will ultimately "prove to be a midcourse breather in a longer expansion, not the end to the expansion."

Wall Street clearly interpreted the disappointing report as evidence that the economy is in deeper trouble than had previously been thought, with the Dow Jones industrial average tumbling 73.40 points, to 12,090.26. Financial-futures traders increased their bets that the Federal Reserve will seek to stimulate the economy by lowering interest rates next spring.

"The report reduced inflation fears, but it also increased worries that growth is slowing too much, which could impact corporate earnings," A.G. Edwards market strategist Alfred Goldman said of the drop in stocks.

A number of observers suggested that beneath the admittedly soggy GDP reading, lots of evidence of fundamental economic strength could be found.

"We are feeling the effects of the housing bubble bursting, and while the ill wind is not pleasant, it is not likely to be long lasting," said Joel Naroff of Naroff Economic Advisors.

Danske Bank analyst Peter Possing Andersen saw "robust" growth in consumer and business spending. He said he continues to forecast that GDP growth will rebound to about 3.4 percent in the current quarter.

David Huether, chief economist of the National Association of Manufacturers, sounded a similar upbeat theme.

"Excluding residential investment, the economy grew by 2.7 percent" in the latest quarter, he said, noting that consumer spending, business capital-equipment investment and exports all remained solid.

Over the past 12 months, GDP growth has averaged 2.9 percent. That includes an anemic, hurricane-battered 1.8 percent reading in the final quarter of 2005, followed by an unsustainably strong 5.6 percent jump in the first quarter of 2006.

In this year's second quarter, GDP growth was a relatively listless 2.6 percent, as the Fed's two-year-long campaign of higher interest rates began to pinch the economy. The Fed paused its long series of rate hikes in August, and on Wednesday opted to keep rates unchanged again.

For investors and economists, the question now is whether the economy will shake off the housing sector's woes and continue to grow into the new year, albeit at a slower rate, or whether housing's difficulties seep into the broad economy and send the U.S. into a painful economic retrenchment.

"While growth looks set to rebound a bit in the fourth quarter, the economy is now expanding at a pace that is slightly below potential, largely due to the impact of higher interest rates on the housing market," said economist Augustine Faucher of Moody's Economy.com.

Growth will remain below potential through the middle of next year, he predicted, and that will gradually bring down inflationary pressures, as the Fed has been seeking to do.

The central bank is likely to hold interest rates steady into the spring of 2007, Faucher believes, and then will begin "loosening monetary policy as inflation slows."

The quarterly GDP report is always a high-profile piece of economic data, even the preliminary reports, such as the one released Friday, which are followed the next two months by a revised report and then a final report. And with midterm elections nearly at hand, the latest measure of the economy's health got a hard political spin from both parties.

Sen. Jack Reed of Rhode Island, ranking Democrat on the Joint Economic Committee of Congress, said the GDP report "undercuts the president's claim that his tax cuts are working," and offers evidence that "we need a new direction in policy to create an economy that works for all Americans."

But the Bush administration downplayed the slowdown as predictable and temporary.

Commerce Secretary Carlos Gutierrez stressed that "although there was a correction in housing, which we expected, the economic fundamentals are strong."

However, what the soft GDP data appear to most clearly demonstrate is the success of the Fed's effort to damp down inflationary pressures.

The Commerce Department report, First Trust Advisors economist Brian Wesbury told investors, paints a picture of "a strong engine with a few dents and dings in the hood."

In contrast to many economists, Wesbury predicts the economy will grow 3 percent to 4 percent in the current quarter and the first quarter of 2007, and that "the next move by the Fed will be a rate hike."
Copyright © 2006, Chicago Tribune
<[onex]>Headstone
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Basically temporary, It will rebound after the election. Just another influencer to sway the outcome. All part of the game.
Stingray24
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We've climbed back from 2001 to record levels in the stock market.  The economy is strong.  Next.

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Harmor
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Want to simulate the economy?  Lower Taxes.
The_Shipbuilder
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<[onex]>Headstone wrote:

Basically temporary, It will rebound after the election. Just another influencer to sway the outcome. All part of the game.
Interesting, what makes you dismiss it as temporary?

Are you basing your comment on other leading indicators that will suggest a rebound, or on intelligence from other experts on the economy?
The_Shipbuilder
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Stingray24 wrote:

We've climbed back from 2001 to record levels in the stock market.  The economy is strong.  Next.
This is an official data point - one coming straight from the government itself - telling us that QoQ growth is as weak as it's been in three years. How does that square with your idea that the economy is strong? Also, what other indicators do you use as a reference, other than investor confidence?
<[onex]>Headstone
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The_Shipbuilder wrote:

<[onex]>Headstone wrote:

Basically temporary, It will rebound after the election. Just another influencer to sway the outcome. All part of the game.
Interesting, what makes you dismiss it as temporary?

Are you basing your comment on other leading indicators that will suggest a rebound, or on intelligence from other experts on the economy?
Its weak because companies and corporations are Influencing the election cycle. It will rebound. As someone mentioned, its the lowest its been in 3 years, Wasnt there something going on 3 years ago? Unless my memory is going now too LOL. If the economy looks a bit weaker right before the election, The corporations and Other factions(usually most unions and the likes that back the party trying to gain power) will slack off a bit Hopeing the people will vote in there favor. You know, vote for change. Its a cycle, same cycle we go through every time theres an election.

Its nothing new, and come 08 we will have more of the same reports and "the sky is falling" Releases.
Turquoise
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Stingray24 wrote:

We've climbed back from 2001 to record levels in the stock market.  The economy is strong.  Next.
The stock market is only one piece of the puzzle.  Even GDP growth isn't the end-all be-all economic indicator.  What really matters in the long run is the state of the job market.  For the last 6 years, it hasn't been too good for most industries....
The_Shipbuilder
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<[onex]>Headstone wrote:

The_Shipbuilder wrote:

<[onex]>Headstone wrote:

Basically temporary, It will rebound after the election. Just another influencer to sway the outcome. All part of the game.
Interesting, what makes you dismiss it as temporary?

Are you basing your comment on other leading indicators that will suggest a rebound, or on intelligence from other experts on the economy?
Its weak because companies and corporations are Influencing the election cycle. It will rebound. As someone mentioned, its the lowest its been in 3 years, Wasnt there something going on 3 years ago? Unless my memory is going now too LOL. If the economy looks a bit weaker right before the election, The corporations and Other factions(usually most unions and the likes that back the party trying to gain power) will slack off a bit Hopeing the people will vote in there favor. You know, vote for change. Its a cycle, same cycle we go through every time theres an election.

Its nothing new, and come 08 we will have more of the same reports and "the sky is falling" Releases.
Headstone, are you calling an official report produced by the government itself a "the sky is falling release"?

You are suggesting that corporations and unions around the country are collectively and willfully producing lower earnings in order to negatively affect the election. To me, THAT idea sounds like a bit of a conspiracy theory.

Any other opinions on Headstone's theory?
Turquoise
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Harmor wrote:

Want to simulate the economy?  Lower Taxes.
Yes, but this also entails less government spending.  Unfortunately, the Republicans aren't capable of cutting government spending.  As a result, less taxes haven't really stimulated the economy much.  They have shifted the tax burden more towards the middle class, however.
<[onex]>Headstone
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The_Shipbuilder wrote:

<[onex]>Headstone wrote:

The_Shipbuilder wrote:


Interesting, what makes you dismiss it as temporary?

Are you basing your comment on other leading indicators that will suggest a rebound, or on intelligence from other experts on the economy?
Its weak because companies and corporations are Influencing the election cycle. It will rebound. As someone mentioned, its the lowest its been in 3 years, Wasnt there something going on 3 years ago? Unless my memory is going now too LOL. If the economy looks a bit weaker right before the election, The corporations and Other factions(usually most unions and the likes that back the party trying to gain power) will slack off a bit Hopeing the people will vote in there favor. You know, vote for change. Its a cycle, same cycle we go through every time theres an election.

Its nothing new, and come 08 we will have more of the same reports and "the sky is falling" Releases.
Headstone, are you calling an official report produced by the government itself a "the sky is falling release"?

You are suggesting that corporations and unions around the country are collectively and willfully producing lower earnings in order to negatively affect the election. To me, THAT idea sounds like a bit of a conspiracy theory.

Any other opinions on Headstone's theory?
First off please answer honestly, how old are you so i can gague how many election cycles you have been through. im my 42 years ive been through quite a few so far. The same thing happens every time Major election cycles are around. Just look at your post. It was lowest 3 years ago. Proof enough. Id bet it was lower before that by a couple years then it was peachie for quite a few while certain powers were a foot in washington.

Again, its nothing new and it will happen again in a couple years. no worries. Nothing to get down about.
ATG
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^pwnage^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Who knows?
With all the illegal aliens and government spending its a wonder were are not out of business already.
Turquoise
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<[onex]>Headstone wrote:

The_Shipbuilder wrote:

<[onex]>Headstone wrote:


Its weak because companies and corporations are Influencing the election cycle. It will rebound. As someone mentioned, its the lowest its been in 3 years, Wasnt there something going on 3 years ago? Unless my memory is going now too LOL. If the economy looks a bit weaker right before the election, The corporations and Other factions(usually most unions and the likes that back the party trying to gain power) will slack off a bit Hopeing the people will vote in there favor. You know, vote for change. Its a cycle, same cycle we go through every time theres an election.

Its nothing new, and come 08 we will have more of the same reports and "the sky is falling" Releases.
Headstone, are you calling an official report produced by the government itself a "the sky is falling release"?

You are suggesting that corporations and unions around the country are collectively and willfully producing lower earnings in order to negatively affect the election. To me, THAT idea sounds like a bit of a conspiracy theory.

Any other opinions on Headstone's theory?
First off please answer honestly, how old are you so i can gague how many election cycles you have been through. im my 42 years ive been through quite a few so far. The same thing happens every time Major election cycles are around. Just look at your post. It was lowest 3 years ago. Proof enough. Id bet it was lower before that by a couple years then it was peachie for quite a few while certain powers were a foot in washington.

Again, its nothing new and it will happen again in a couple years. no worries. Nothing to get down about.
Corporate America doesn't support either side exclusively.  If you look up what parties most major corporate investors put their money into, Republicans usually receive only a little bit more than Democrats.  This is because corporations have enough money to play both sides and support legislation that benefits them while it screws the average citizen.  In this respect, Democrats and Republicans are two sides of the same coin.
<[onex]>Headstone
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But again as in all past elections The unions and other big players support the Demorcratic party
Turquoise
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<[onex]>Headstone wrote:

But again as in all past elections The unions and other big players support the Demorcratic party
Suggesting that sluggish growth is the result of some Democratic conspiracy is just as crazy as suggesting that low gas prices are because of some Republican conspiracy.

In truth, the amount of control a president or Congress has over the economy is limited.  There are so many factors involved that it can't be pinned to one policy or indicator.  As I said before, the job market is probably one of the most important factors, but there's only so much an administration can do.

I think the real issues here are that Iraq is putting us deep into debt, and the last few tax cut plans benefitted the rich far more than the average citizen.  If Bush and Congress balanced the budget, pulled us out of Iraq, and perhaps passed a tax cut aimed at the working class, then maybe we'd see more job growth, a stabler currency, and more GDP growth.  There's no guarantee that all of this would fix everything, but it would certainly better our odds....

Last edited by Turquoise (2006-10-29 10:39:26)

CameronPoe
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Harmor wrote:

Want to simulate the economy?  Lower Taxes.
Someone unfamılıar wıth the concept of ınflatıon. LOL
Atakir
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Hey I got an idea! Let's just print more money!
Kmar
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Has anyone seen the unemployment rate or the market numbers lately?
Xbone Stormsurgezz
ATG
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CameronPoe wrote:

Harmor wrote:

Want to simulate the economy?  Lower Taxes.
Someone unfamılıar wıth the concept of ınflatıon. LOL
Compare socialist Europes economy and unemployeement rate and tax rate to Americas.
Tax cutsa work.
<[onex]>Headstone
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ATG wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

Harmor wrote:

Want to simulate the economy?  Lower Taxes.
Someone unfamılıar wıth the concept of ınflatıon. LOL
Compare socialist Europes economy and unemployeement rate and tax rate to Americas.
Tax cutsa work.
Better yet, compare the unemployment rate In the EU and France, and then figure out why they riot all the time. Im not seeing it here from hopless muslims. Our economy is fine, this too shall pass.
Vilham
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CameronPoe wrote:

Harmor wrote:

Want to simulate the economy?  Lower Taxes.
Someone unfamılıar wıth the concept of ınflatıon. LOL
I dont think he also realises that America is in HUGE financial debt.
Turquoise
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Tax cuts are good as long as the appropriate spending cuts are made.  The problem is that our current government doesn't seem interested in balancing the budget....

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