Hahahahhahahhahahahahahahhahahahahaha.uber73 wrote:
and the "debate" goes on.
lets put it this way... for the record.
people who spawncamp are selfish players. they go against the common opinion, both server/admin and players en masse, that it is unsporting to rape bases. people who want a fair game, DONT spawnrape, even in response to these 'tards.
make your own mind up.
which side are u on.
its clear from certain posts above, which sides many of u are on. selfish players ruin other peoples gaming.
i can just imagine what you cretins must be like in the flesh.
oh, and viking? i DONT spawn rape... would u like to compare our K : D rates? what does that say about u...
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lol,
kamikaze, sorry dude...
yer post has a sarcastic slant
kamikaze, sorry dude...
yer post has a sarcastic slant
Last edited by uber73 (2005-12-15 15:49:45)
retreat!
You have a .48 K/D as an assault, you expect us to believe you found it easy to rack up a 3:1 K/D ratio with that kit?duckforceone wrote:
funny how you pull up my stat, but don't show your own... besides.. look at my score board.. you'll see i have played support most of the time.. i don't use tanks much, and i definately don't use planes and choppers...
come talk about skill when you know what it's about..
oh and just for kicks.. i tried out the assault class the other day... man it's way too easy to rack up a 3:1 kd ratio with that kit... but where's the fun in that...
You suck at the game, there is no shame in that as long as you enjoy it. However, don't berate people for using their skill. Some of the tactics used in the game are considered cheap, but they are available to everyone, and if you want to succeed you must use them as well. The old saying "If you can't beat them, join them." is true here. In the next patch EA is working towards eliminating some of the cheaper aspects of the game, but there will still be plenty of things that give you a better chance of winning, and there are plenty of people that will be using them.
My team normally loves when I spawn rape. Allows them to pick off assets, take vehicles, and cap flags.uber73 wrote:
and the "debate" goes on.
lets put it this way... for the record.
people who spawncamp are selfish players. they go against the common opinion, both server/admin and players en masse, that it is unsporting to rape bases. people who want a fair game, DONT spawnrape, even in response to these 'tards.
make your own mind up.
which side are u on.
its clear from certain posts above, which sides many of u are on. selfish players ruin other peoples gaming.
i can just imagine what you cretins must be like in the flesh.
oh, and viking? i DONT spawn rape... would u like to compare our K : D rates? what does that say about u...
funny how you keep bringing my skill up.. why are you so focused on skill, when what this discussion is about is how fun the game is... or more defined, what smacktards take away the fun from it..(B.T.)Blazed wrote:
TOG|DuckForceOne Corporalduckforceone wrote:
funny how you pull up my stat, but don't show your own... besides.. look at my score board.. you'll see i have played support most of the time.. i don't use tanks much, and i definately don't use planes and choppers...
come talk about skill when you know what it's about..
oh and just for kicks.. i tried out the assault class the other day... man it's way too easy to rack up a 3:1 kd ratio with that kit... but where's the fun in that...
Assault 02:45:18 44 91 0.48
Grenade Launcher Attachment 00:58:34 23 39 0.59 3 to 1 eh??? LMFAO
I don't post that stupid stat thing cause I could really care less about my stats. Feel free to look them up however. http://bf2s.com/player/(B.T.)Blazed/ I'm not claiming to have great stats but I tend to give a little better than i get and I don't whine when people are better than me.
I have also fought off spawncampers to escape my base or spawned somewhere else if that was an option. I don't even use the assault class so I'm not sure where you are going with that. If I were less intent on rushing flags to cap them I'm sure I could rack up a pretty good kdr. I'm just not content to sit back and wait for kills. I rush in sometimes at my own peril. I'm more intent on capping flags and WINNING THE GAME with my team.
I'm also not a spawn camper but I don't whine about it and in a war game I don't see how attacking the main base is such a sin. I'm sure the geneva convention dosn't prohibit attacking enemy military bases. It is uncappable to make sure your team can stay in the game instead of getting capped out. If you don't like the way people are playing in a server find a new one. There are thousands of them.
Oh and on your support note, you have to be kidding me if that is your excuse for your bad kdr. I have seen plenty of support guys who rack up plenty of kills as well as supporting their team. Do you just run around the entire time with your ammo bag out???
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all this talking about skill, just show egotism...
and egotist people are those that spawn rape and do other stuff without thinking about other people.
but when looking at the stats you bring up, you only see statistics.. you don't see the fact... the fact is that only 30 of those minutes at most, is when i have seriously played the assault class... all the other times is when the server has moved my selection so i spawned as assault..
btw, where do i whine about people having better skill at me? it doesn't take skill to spawn rape, and remove peoples fun of the game...
would you find the game fun, if you spawned, died on the spot, spawned, died on the spot, spawned, moved 5 feet, died on that spot, on and on.... i know you won't... you said so... you would join them instead of get it done to you.. why is it that people always think, that since they can do it to me, i should just start doing it myself... if we keep on thinking like that, i should start stabbing people in real life, just because my friends got stabbed down by others... it's called bad antisocial behaviour, and it has and always will be in online games..
we can only hope people grow up and mature, and realize you can play a game, without ruining it for the others, just to win...
it's just to sad, that your kind are the ones shouting the loudest...
edit : speaking of score, just looked at you.. noticed how yours goes up and down in your scores over time... notice how mine is continually rizing? oh and you mostly either play engineer in a vehicle, or spec ops... don't think you should try so hard to bring out my stats my friend... because in the end, stats don't mean jack, as the stats can always be tweaked
Last edited by duckforceone (2005-12-16 02:41:42)
Those of you who keep bringing up the 'there is no spawn raping' ideal, I'm pretty sure you've felt/have felt/will feel the same way as the thread starter all the time, but just don't say it.
Although I have encountered the exact same thing posted at the start, I will admit, it's not expected, and what makes it difficult is locating the squad leader they continue to spawn at. What would be really difficult is if a vodnick full of nothing but squad leaders came up to the back and let every 5 of their team mates spawn from them. I think the time I've seen it there had to be at least 2 squad leaders running around.
I don't see the point of spawning there over and over though, its not like theres a flag to cap, and there definately wont be any vehicals just waiting for you. And fixing the crap while their there is pointless, so if you were intelligent you would lure them away first by capping all the flags they left unprotected. Seriously, let em blow the shit up and steal your precious tank, thats 1 or more less spawn points they have. And if you had spawned at the TOW on the arti and AT, you get your vehicals back.
If your a capible enough team, you don't need a commander anyway. That's what the game is all about, team work. Commander assistance is only icing on the cake. So really... you should have spawned elsewhere.
I only belive spawn camping is true when their is one flag left (cappable) and the majority of players on the opposing team dont even bother capping it, but instead, feast in the slaughter fest.
Although I have encountered the exact same thing posted at the start, I will admit, it's not expected, and what makes it difficult is locating the squad leader they continue to spawn at. What would be really difficult is if a vodnick full of nothing but squad leaders came up to the back and let every 5 of their team mates spawn from them. I think the time I've seen it there had to be at least 2 squad leaders running around.
I don't see the point of spawning there over and over though, its not like theres a flag to cap, and there definately wont be any vehicals just waiting for you. And fixing the crap while their there is pointless, so if you were intelligent you would lure them away first by capping all the flags they left unprotected. Seriously, let em blow the shit up and steal your precious tank, thats 1 or more less spawn points they have. And if you had spawned at the TOW on the arti and AT, you get your vehicals back.
If your a capible enough team, you don't need a commander anyway. That's what the game is all about, team work. Commander assistance is only icing on the cake. So really... you should have spawned elsewhere.
I only belive spawn camping is true when their is one flag left (cappable) and the majority of players on the opposing team dont even bother capping it, but instead, feast in the slaughter fest.
Funny how nobody cares about stats yet we mainly play on ranked servers!! heres an idea create another account and play only on un-ranked servers, would it be feasible to say that on un-ranked servers there would be no stats padders, spawn campers etc because no matter how many kills you get or flags u cap u wont get any points at the end of the day? therefore one might expect a better caliber of player (s) because its only for fun...i hate it when u cant get out of a spawn so i spawn elsewhere, i hate it when ur uncap base is continually bombed by jets, slicks and arty...so what! if i get pissed off by it i play elsewhere...and why do peeps keep bringing up what guy u use? we all have our favs be it engy, support, medic etc if u dont want to use vehicles thats fine but dont call someone a whore cos they choose to....i dont use jets or slicks much cos im a crap flyer...i rarely use sniper or support cos i cant hit jack with those guns but i will swap to a support if the map is full of slicks and sometimes to a sniper to get at another sniper!....i play mainly spec opps or engy and anti tank depending on the map...and will swap if our team needs assets fixing or we have alot of armour coming our way! i have spawn camped in one sense cos i was unable to cap the flag until back-up came and ive been kicked cos i was defending a cappable flag and the enemy was coming out of an uncap base...i didnt enter the uncap but to stop them getting the flag i shot at them while they were trying to get at the flag....strange how when i was on the same map and same server but opposite side they did the same to us!...what ru supposed to do wait until they get to the flag then shoot them?...ive noticed this little message thing when u join some servers ...some say no arty in uncap, no entering uncap unless ur spec opps getting assets....i respect the server rules! it might not be in the rule book of war but its a gentlemans agreement..even if some still disobey the rules....its simple their server their rules i agree to them and have fun....and as for those who dont care about stats, medals etc. fine...i care about mine but only on a personal level . there not great but i dont care what others think, to me its just a record of achievement something ive earned and i dont think any less of someone cos there a lower rank or have worse stats..to me its how you play..now have a merry christmas!!! and dont spill any beer on yer keyboards or fly drunk lol......
Everyone chill.
I've decided to love everyone on the forum cos everytime I vent my spleen I upset people.
I don't ever spawn rape but waters wet the sky is blue people spawnrape women have secrets.
"I don't like people but I love gatherings"
I've decided to love everyone on the forum cos everytime I vent my spleen I upset people.
I don't ever spawn rape but waters wet the sky is blue people spawnrape women have secrets.
"I don't like people but I love gatherings"
WORD!Fahrenheit wrote:
Funny how nobody cares about stats yet we mainly play on ranked servers!! heres an idea create another account and play only on un-ranked servers, would it be feasible to say that on un-ranked servers there would be no stats padders, spawn campers etc because no matter how many kills you get or flags u cap u wont get any points at the end of the day? therefore one might expect a better caliber of player (s) because its only for fun...i hate it when u cant get out of a spawn so i spawn elsewhere, i hate it when ur uncap base is continually bombed by jets, slicks and arty...so what! if i get pissed off by it i play elsewhere...and why do peeps keep bringing up what guy u use? we all have our favs be it engy, support, medic etc if u dont want to use vehicles thats fine but dont call someone a whore cos they choose to....i dont use jets or slicks much cos im a crap flyer...i rarely use sniper or support cos i cant hit jack with those guns but i will swap to a support if the map is full of slicks and sometimes to a sniper to get at another sniper!....i play mainly spec opps or engy and anti tank depending on the map...and will swap if our team needs assets fixing or we have alot of armour coming our way! i have spawn camped in one sense cos i was unable to cap the flag until back-up came and ive been kicked cos i was defending a cappable flag and the enemy was coming out of an uncap base...i didnt enter the uncap but to stop them getting the flag i shot at them while they were trying to get at the flag....strange how when i was on the same map and same server but opposite side they did the same to us!...what ru supposed to do wait until they get to the flag then shoot them?...ive noticed this little message thing when u join some servers ...some say no arty in uncap, no entering uncap unless ur spec opps getting assets....i respect the server rules! it might not be in the rule book of war but its a gentlemans agreement..even if some still disobey the rules....its simple their server their rules i agree to them and have fun....and as for those who dont care about stats, medals etc. fine...i care about mine but only on a personal level . there not great but i dont care what others think, to me its just a record of achievement something ive earned and i dont think any less of someone cos there a lower rank or have worse stats..to me its how you play..now have a merry christmas!!! and dont spill any beer on yer keyboards or fly drunk lol......
now THIS is the explanation of all this spawncamping thing imho. those programmes left baseraping to be possible in this game. simple as that: IT IS POSSIBLE. the game was made the way it was made and there's nothing ANYBODY but developers can do about it. don't get me wrong, personally i think spawncamping is very ugly, but while those spawn points are FIXED, while one cannot chose where EXACTLY he will spawn - nothing will change: just position your team so every spawn poing is targetted by a gun or two and it's game over. admins watching over things might be able to help in some situations but the whole thing looks kinda bizzare to me - disallowing certain things like arty/bombing/walking in certain areas with certain classes/blah blah. not to mention that we'll need a dedicated person to watch over just that on every server. also as an example: i played several mmorpg's where players tried to enforce some "playermade rules" much like this "no baseraping" here (i'm sure many ppl here know what i'm talking about) and i'd say - this DOESN'T work.duckforceone wrote:
that is the biggest load of crap.. it's a game.. meant for both sides to have fun.. no to win at any cost.... the game was made in a certain spirit. and you are ruining the spirit and intent of the programmers..
besides, spawncamping can be easily fixed by devs: they only need to make it so one can chose where to spawn EXACTLY. spawn poins should be made spawn AREAS and once area is chosen one poins at his desired place to spawn on a map much like commanders zoomed map - just don't show enemies on it to prevent "ghost-scouting". this will make it much harder for campers to know where to look for their targets. there of course are carriers and other places which you can't leave if all the transport is taken by the enemy. well... i guess those maps could be re-designed somehow to allow more options for transportation.
all this should of course be throughly tested, but i think my general idea is clear.
those are my $0.02
Last edited by Shahter (2005-12-16 05:51:49)
if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.
lol.. not even going to read that post... there's a button called [ENTER]
put's some blank spaces in it... makes it possible to read nicely...
ohh dirtyepics.. have been searching for a picture for you.. the huggy cat from get fuzzy cartoon... would fit perfect for your last post... *laughs*
put's some blank spaces in it... makes it possible to read nicely...
ohh dirtyepics.. have been searching for a picture for you.. the huggy cat from get fuzzy cartoon... would fit perfect for your last post... *laughs*
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.......thanks dude..................I Think!
was a good compliment...
btw the women here are great, but like them from england... but we don't have the miss model culture the states has...
btw the women here are great, but like them from england... but we don't have the miss model culture the states has...
If you lived here you'd be more interested in the Danish ones
Why don't we just make the US spawn areas "out of bounds" red lined for MEC? Make sure everybody can get all geared up and out of their base. Better yet, why don't we just make it overall easier for people who whine about the game? Oh yeah, the new patch will do that...
This is ridiculous. There is a countermeasure to everything. If you can't figure out how to spawn with Anti-Tank at one of the 3 bases, then aim it at the Vodnik from a direction they're not currently looking in....
This is ridiculous. There is a countermeasure to everything. If you can't figure out how to spawn with Anti-Tank at one of the 3 bases, then aim it at the Vodnik from a direction they're not currently looking in....
Why don't people just get kicked and banned if they spawnrape or get penalised -5 each time they do it?!
If only there was a way??
If only there was a way??
Ya there is alot of skill in just sitting there waiting for someone to spawn and then kill them the min. they appear. Its hard work assraping people as they spawn. When it happens to me I just leave that server and find a new one to play in. One were other player are not afraid to fight rather than just moe you down.
I have no problem with people baseraping an uncapturable base IF all the capturable flags have been taken. What the hell else are they to do?
What I do take issue with is someone who sits outside any type of base killing people as they spawn when there are flags to capture. That, in my opinion, is a stat padder. I've seen people doing this to pad their score while their team is losing. The game is about teamwork and these people are about themselves.
I think the uncapturable bases should become capturable once all the other bases have been captured. But, this would require some redesign of some of the maps, otherwise the MEC would rush the US base on Karkand!
What I do take issue with is someone who sits outside any type of base killing people as they spawn when there are flags to capture. That, in my opinion, is a stat padder. I've seen people doing this to pad their score while their team is losing. The game is about teamwork and these people are about themselves.
I think the uncapturable bases should become capturable once all the other bases have been captured. But, this would require some redesign of some of the maps, otherwise the MEC would rush the US base on Karkand!
Of course I don’t agree with the SPIRIT of this thread/or the thread starters 1st post/opinion - for too many reasons.
1.) Spawn handling in the game is somewhat random, there are multiple spawn points at any flag. Which one will you appear at? Only the random game logic knows - EA/DICES fault.
I got killed by an APC the other day and saw/knew which base he was going for ALL by himself. I spawned at that flag - and the game logic randomly chose the worst spot/farthest away/open to the view of APC spawn point possible - I had to let him take the flag - he did not see in which direction I left - so I placed a C4-suprise in an estimated exit position and got him! But still lost the flag due to the random nature of spawn handling.
My feeling is that those exact spawn places should be your CHOICE - not random. If there was a UAV on the point you would know where the enemy was and where/what his weapon is pointing at and could at least make a decision to SPAWN INTELLIGENTLY.
Also if the other team has not destroyed the UAV, I think the commander should be able to deploy this resource continuously on any uncappable base (of course if he does so - it will not be available anywhere else).
2.) Base raping occurs - because the game allows it - this is not a smacktard statpadder exploit - this is EA/DICES fault.
The only way vehicle stealing will/could not occur is if the game did not allow it. This to me this would be an improvement in the game design - and stop the HUMAN behavior of so-called base-raper spawn-camper (and other lame terms whiners use).
If vehicles could not be entered by the other team - only destroyed - I would support that change. I think it is fair to steal vehicles if the game-logic allows it; if it didn’t though that would make the game more FUN.
At a minimum a server OPTION could be added for admin.s: vehicles.stealable: ON/OFF. And when set to: OFF, if you manage to get a spec-ops guy/squad back there he should get a point for destroying strategic equipment if it is an un-manned vehicle.
3.) Sometimes the other team is that much better. What are they supposed to do not bring the HEAT to you? That’s a lame boring whiner’s idea.
4.) Half the people call everything/anything spawn-camping/vehicle whoring/etc. I’ve had people on-line type this even.
“You noob-tuber spawn camper is that all you can do.”
After a medic revived him! He was even spawning!
5.) I always have a choice - to leave a game or to not spawn (wait even a significant amount of time). If it is ladder match you’re a little stuck - but if it is just on-line public allowed access - you can always find a different server if you think a team is stacked in favor of one or the other.
I’ve been the recipient of the base-rape & spawn camp many times - it is not FUN. But it is certainly fair (based upon the fact that the game-logic allows it.)
1.) Spawn handling in the game is somewhat random, there are multiple spawn points at any flag. Which one will you appear at? Only the random game logic knows - EA/DICES fault.
I got killed by an APC the other day and saw/knew which base he was going for ALL by himself. I spawned at that flag - and the game logic randomly chose the worst spot/farthest away/open to the view of APC spawn point possible - I had to let him take the flag - he did not see in which direction I left - so I placed a C4-suprise in an estimated exit position and got him! But still lost the flag due to the random nature of spawn handling.
My feeling is that those exact spawn places should be your CHOICE - not random. If there was a UAV on the point you would know where the enemy was and where/what his weapon is pointing at and could at least make a decision to SPAWN INTELLIGENTLY.
Also if the other team has not destroyed the UAV, I think the commander should be able to deploy this resource continuously on any uncappable base (of course if he does so - it will not be available anywhere else).
2.) Base raping occurs - because the game allows it - this is not a smacktard statpadder exploit - this is EA/DICES fault.
The only way vehicle stealing will/could not occur is if the game did not allow it. This to me this would be an improvement in the game design - and stop the HUMAN behavior of so-called base-raper spawn-camper (and other lame terms whiners use).
If vehicles could not be entered by the other team - only destroyed - I would support that change. I think it is fair to steal vehicles if the game-logic allows it; if it didn’t though that would make the game more FUN.
At a minimum a server OPTION could be added for admin.s: vehicles.stealable: ON/OFF. And when set to: OFF, if you manage to get a spec-ops guy/squad back there he should get a point for destroying strategic equipment if it is an un-manned vehicle.
3.) Sometimes the other team is that much better. What are they supposed to do not bring the HEAT to you? That’s a lame boring whiner’s idea.
4.) Half the people call everything/anything spawn-camping/vehicle whoring/etc. I’ve had people on-line type this even.
“You noob-tuber spawn camper is that all you can do.”
After a medic revived him! He was even spawning!
5.) I always have a choice - to leave a game or to not spawn (wait even a significant amount of time). If it is ladder match you’re a little stuck - but if it is just on-line public allowed access - you can always find a different server if you think a team is stacked in favor of one or the other.
I’ve been the recipient of the base-rape & spawn camp many times - it is not FUN. But it is certainly fair (based upon the fact that the game-logic allows it.)
Last edited by topal63 (2005-12-16 10:08:30)
thats a HELL of a line dude.dirtyepics wrote:
I don't ever spawn rape but waters wet the sky is blue people spawnrape women have secrets.
can i adopt it?
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