I was playing on the Moders Strike at Karkand server last night, as MEC. We were down to the Suburb, and Hotel spawn points. Instead of just taking over the spawn points, the USMC team all respawned as Spec-Ops, and put C4s on all the spawn points, so when a bunch of people spawned at once, they blew the C4s, and about 5 of us at a time got blown into the sky. I wouldve spawned elsewhere, but these were our last two spawn points. I mean, sometimes we all spawn camp, but this is ridiculous....
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actually, what i like to do is take the attack chopper to the enemy main base, land it, then switch to the gunner position. it works especially well if im commander too...drop a supply crate next to me and BAM, let the kills roll in.
granted, it doesnt work on a map like karkand, and it is somewhat cheap...but damn is it ever effective.
granted, it doesnt work on a map like karkand, and it is somewhat cheap...but damn is it ever effective.
yea I know what you are talking about. I was on the server last night and the same thing happened to me. I have also had snipers place claymores at the spawn points so when you spawn....you go BOOM. Oh and since that was the only flag we had....I was killed the instant I spawned 4 times. That is crazy.
Why not just fight fair and enjoy the game?ThomasMorgan wrote:
actually, what i like to do is take the attack chopper to the enemy main base, land it, then switch to the gunner position. it works especially well if im commander too...drop a supply crate next to me and BAM, let the kills roll in.
granted, it doesnt work on a map like karkand, and it is somewhat cheap...but damn is it ever effective.
I helped my squad do this one time with support. I got some mad resupply points.
Why not just fight well and not end up with only one or two flagsIvysDad wrote:
Why not just fight fair and enjoy the game?ThomasMorgan wrote:
actually, what i like to do is take the attack chopper to the enemy main base, land it, then switch to the gunner position. it works especially well if im commander too...drop a supply crate next to me and BAM, let the kills roll in.
granted, it doesnt work on a map like karkand, and it is somewhat cheap...but damn is it ever effective.
Boopy trapping or armor camping known spawn points is cheating! People who do it are as lame as they come.
Some people play Karkand like its going out of style. They know exactly where everything is, including where people spawn. These players are 1 dimensional players and most don't deserve the accolades they receive.
I just hope that when the oppurtunity for you to spawn camp comes around you will be bigger than that.
Some people play Karkand like its going out of style. They know exactly where everything is, including where people spawn. These players are 1 dimensional players and most don't deserve the accolades they receive.
I just hope that when the oppurtunity for you to spawn camp comes around you will be bigger than that.
It's actually quite popular on the servers i play on. And when they TK me with their c4 i punish without mercy
However, if you're fast enough you can always hop out of range before you get spawnkilled.
However, if you're fast enough you can always hop out of range before you get spawnkilled.
how is that not fair? its a war game.IvysDad wrote:
Why not just fight fair and enjoy the game?ThomasMorgan wrote:
actually, what i like to do is take the attack chopper to the enemy main base, land it, then switch to the gunner position. it works especially well if im commander too...drop a supply crate next to me and BAM, let the kills roll in.
granted, it doesnt work on a map like karkand, and it is somewhat cheap...but damn is it ever effective.
why would i let players get to their chopper and use it to kill countless team mates of mine when i can stop them before they have a chance to get off the ground? if the opportunity is there, take it.
It's not Cheating, I've had it done to me i've done it. It can get annoying, but spawn as an AT and blow my ass up, or hey choose another spawn point. If you only have the one spawn point then hey you're losing and its my job to end your suffering as soon as possible.nating75 wrote:
Boopy trapping or armor camping known spawn points is cheating! People who do it are as lame as they come.
Some people play Karkand like its going out of style. They know exactly where everything is, including where people spawn. These players are 1 dimensional players and most don't deserve the accolades they receive.
I just hope that when the oppurtunity for you to spawn camp comes around you will be bigger than that.
Booby trapping the chopper is quite different from booby trapping a spawn point.ThomasMorgan wrote:
how is that not fair? its a war game.IvysDad wrote:
Why not just fight fair and enjoy the game?ThomasMorgan wrote:
actually, what i like to do is take the attack chopper to the enemy main base, land it, then switch to the gunner position. it works especially well if im commander too...drop a supply crate next to me and BAM, let the kills roll in.
granted, it doesnt work on a map like karkand, and it is somewhat cheap...but damn is it ever effective.
why would i let players get to their chopper and use it to kill countless team mates of mine when i can stop them before they have a chance to get off the ground? if the opportunity is there, take it.
I've seen that tactic done with a blackhawk. Now that thing shreds respawns.actually, what i like to do is take the attack chopper to the enemy main base, land it, then switch to the gunner position. it works especially well if im commander too...drop a supply crate next to me and BAM, let the kills roll in.
granted, it doesnt work on a map like karkand, and it is somewhat cheap...but damn is it ever effective.
In general this is pretty much one of those times where you have no chance of winning whatsoever. Basically best idea is not to spawn at all (essentially that's how you concede defeat). Unfortunately trying to convince teammates of this is impossible, but at least you'll save yourself the personal loss.
Or, if there's any way you can sneak out, try to actually do something about it. It's always more satisfying to voice a complaint where you actually did something to stop it in the end. Unfortunately that might be a purple heart on your record in the trying!
Last edited by Sud (2005-12-15 15:20:08)
I think we are talking about 2 different things. Flag camping is not cheating. Spawn camping (you know waiting for someone to appear so you can blast them because you know where they spawn) is cheating and I'll tell you why.WildBlueYonder wrote:
It's not Cheating, I've had it done to me i've done it. It can get annoying, but spawn as an AT and blow my ass up, or hey choose another spawn point. If you only have the one spawn point then hey you're losing and its my job to end your suffering as soon as possible.nating75 wrote:
Boopy trapping or armor camping known spawn points is cheating! People who do it are as lame as they come.
Some people play Karkand like its going out of style. They know exactly where everything is, including where people spawn. These players are 1 dimensional players and most don't deserve the accolades they receive.
I just hope that when the oppurtunity for you to spawn camp comes around you will be bigger than that.
In a perfect world spawning would happen in random places for instance there would be hundreds of points to spawn at by a flag not 4 or 5, making it impossible to memorize the points. EA did do a good job about not spawning people into danger if at all possible but, when an SO goes in, places C4, then leaves and camps to wait for people to spawn (alleviating the danger) then its cheating. Just because you can do it doesn't make it right!
I play as an SO. Booby trap an enemy flag, fine. Booby trap an enemy alley, fine. Booby trap an enemy chopper, fine. But, you cross the line when you booby trap the exact place where people appear (spawn).
Last edited by nating75 (2005-12-15 15:27:21)
And the fact that you doesn't like it doesn't make it wrong.Just because you can do it doesn't make it right!
IMO everything is right what you can do in the game without using third party programs or modifying the game itself.
OK! so laying in front of vehicles, TKing for vehicles, C4ing friendly choppers, is perfectly ok too? The system allows you to do it, so it must be OK? It doesn't bother me, because I don't use vehicles.Ub3r-ElitE wrote:
And the fact that you doesn't like it doesn't make it wrong.Just because you can do it doesn't make it right!
IMO everything is right what you can do in the game without using third party programs or modifying the game itself.
It doesn't have anything to do with someone liking it or not. It's an exploit and should be frowned upon.
Last edited by nating75 (2005-12-15 15:52:57)
It becomes wrong when all you do is camp the spot for kills and not try to take the flag. It then is only about the kills and stat pading. But if that is how some make themselfs feel like better players because they can shoot fish in a barrel. So be it. I leave the server and find another with better players. But that is just me.
I don't like it but i don't call that cheating or exploiting. It's just being an ass in the game.OK! so laying in front of vehicles, TKing for vehicles, C4ing friendly choppers, is perfectly ok too? The system allows you to do it, so it must be OK?
Now please tell me WHY is spawncamping an exploit? If the game creators wanted to prevent spawnkilling they would have made a 5 second invulnerability after spawning or something similar.It doesn't have anything to do with someone liking it or not. It's an exploit and should be frowned upon.
An exploit is when you're using errors in the game engine for your own benefit. Now this isn't an error, it's a feature.
I dont normally use this word but, oh what the hell. Owned.AmBiTiOnZ23 wrote:
I was playing on the Moders Strike at Karkand server last night, as MEC. We were down to the Suburb, and Hotel spawn points. Instead of just taking over the spawn points, the USMC team all respawned as Spec-Ops, and put C4s on all the spawn points, so when a bunch of people spawned at once, they blew the C4s, and about 5 of us at a time got blown into the sky. I wouldve spawned elsewhere, but these were our last two spawn points. I mean, sometimes we all spawn camp, but this is ridiculous....
LOL, That's funny, seriously! I know you didn't mean to be funny but, I'm a software developer and whenever I have written code with a bug and don't want to fix it. I'll tell QA (the testers) that it's not a bug, it's a feature!Ub3r-ElitE wrote:
I don't like it but i don't call that cheating or exploiting. It's just being an ass in the game.OK! so laying in front of vehicles, TKing for vehicles, C4ing friendly choppers, is perfectly ok too? The system allows you to do it, so it must be OK?Now please tell me WHY is spawncamping an exploit? If the game creators wanted to prevent spawnkilling they would have made a 5 second invulnerability after spawning or something similar.It doesn't have anything to do with someone liking it or not. It's an exploit and should be frowned upon.
An exploit is when you're using errors in the game engine for your own benefit. Now this isn't an error, it's a feature.
Anyways you are exploiting you're knowledge of where people spawn (pop-up), again, I don't think flag camping is bad. Only when you camp and people auto-magically (It's not a word I know) appear , ***BOOM***, then dissappear.
Last edited by nating75 (2005-12-15 16:10:04)
If you say soLOL, That's funny, seriously! I know you didn't mean to be funny but, I'm a software developer and whenever I have written code with a bug and don't want to fix it. I'll tell QA (the testers) that it's not a bug, it's a feature!
Sure you can argue that every aspect of the game could be an exploit, but my common sense says me that spawncamping is definately not one.
Spawn camping is not an exploit and is not cheating at all, we all suffered it and all used it and ll use for ever cos its part of bf2, and if EA 'd think it is wrong they 'd do somethin bout it. So stop crying like babies for being killed at spawn, its part of the game, so take it and stfu.
i think you should learn to play fairly like all of us, spawn camper!ThomasMorgan wrote:
actually, what i like to do is take the attack chopper to the enemy main base, land it, then switch to the gunner position. it works especially well if im commander too...drop a supply crate next to me and BAM, let the kills roll in.
granted, it doesnt work on a map like karkand, and it is somewhat cheap...but damn is it ever effective.
LOLz..... u most of been playing on a server that I was on once only u on the other end MuHahahhhaMuahahhahah man... it's a F'ing war FFSnating75 wrote:
Boopy trapping or armor camping known spawn points is cheating! People who do it are as lame as they come.
Some people play Karkand like its going out of style. They know exactly where everything is, including where people spawn. These players are 1 dimensional players and most don't deserve the accolades they receive.
I just hope that when the oppurtunity for you to spawn camp comes around you will be bigger than that.
This coming from a guy who brings death from above with his magical arty pellets.sergeriver wrote:
Spawn camping is not an exploit and is not cheating at all, we all suffered it and all used it and ll use for ever cos its part of bf2, and if EA 'd think it is wrong they 'd do somethin bout it. So stop crying like babies for being killed at spawn, its part of the game, so take it and stfu.
Last edited by nating75 (2005-12-15 18:22:31)
It's never happened to me. I've only been spawn camped once at Karkand died twice, switched my spawn point, and C4'd the guy.NEK wrote:
LOLz..... u most of been playing on a server that I was on once only u on the other end MuHahahhhaMuahahhahah man... it's a F'ing war FFSnating75 wrote:
Boopy trapping or armor camping known spawn points is cheating! People who do it are as lame as they come.
Some people play Karkand like its going out of style. They know exactly where everything is, including where people spawn. These players are 1 dimensional players and most don't deserve the accolades they receive.
I just hope that when the oppurtunity for you to spawn camp comes around you will be bigger than that.
Last edited by nating75 (2005-12-15 18:25:55)
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