GunSlinger OIF II wrote:how many of you have actually seen somebody lose their life in front of you before you could go on about "killing retards" I consider myself extremely pragmatic, but this is really just sick thought.
Hitler wanted to "euthanise" retards too...
i seen lots of people die in my field... that why i have my point of view of euthanasia. i dont believe that we should euthanize every mentally disabled person, but there lies the problem who get to choose who lives and who dies... what type of mentally disabled are we talking about? A people with Downs? cerebral palsy? Alzheimer's? dementia? then u got the psychiatric problems, they are too considered "mentally disabled" bipolar, schizophrenic, etc etc.
my believe in euthanasia deal with the well being of a pt, have any one dealt with a disabled person?? a bed ridden pt? well i have... its not living, your connected to tubes you got your feeding tube, endo tracheal tube, folley tube, shit tube, then you got the constant medical problems. pneumonia, MRSA, bed sores seizures the list goes on and on... granted this is the most severe of mentally disabled pts.
remember Shivo?? man people that is not living when religion get mixed with emotions everything get cloudy....
i for one dont believe in religion, i think its used to control men and used by hypocrites... (another subject for another time) i see the cold hard facts. dealing with a mentally disabled person it hard not just for the family but for society.its a MAJOR drain to society. the decision to euthanize a family member should be the decision of the family.... not a government.
to 1937 or whatever i dont have kids but does that make me less of a person to make a decision?? if i do have kids and for what ever reason my child has a dibilitating disease, accident, stroke.. whatever and there is no point of living... i will sign a Do not resuscitate(DNR), pull the plug, i will let my child family member who ever die with there own dignity, i would like that to happen to me.. i rather die in the presence of my family in my house not in a cold hospital with strangers.. I'm not going to let my child suffer thru life and nor i would like that for myself... i dont believe in "miracles" thats for ignorant people...
so that why i believe in euthanizing certain people..... its better for the patient... put your self in that situation, being mentally disable, would you still want to live? my decision well you know it already...
ps Hitler was a smart man and a great speaker..... just with a fucked up mentality
Zap - I forgive you for not getting my name right, I often don't want to open a new window just to get the name right of the person who created the thread if it isn't on screen at the time, but I have learned to as you hold more cred or respect if you do.
Allow me to answer some questions.
I DO do belive that if you are a parent your decision making is altered, your not just thinking for yourself now, you have different priorities, you have morals to pass on now. I wasn't planning to have a child when it happened, it was quick, we found out that there was problems, abortion didn't even enter my head. My daughter is living proof (imo) of miricales, I prayed for her to survive her birth/operation, my prayers were answered, but just like you, I'm not religious. I'll go one step further, I HATE RELIGION. To me it has caused more wars than anything else. Hold on, "my daughters a miricale" "I prayed for her", how contradicting, don't you think? Well when your in the posistion I was in, thats what you will do, anything. If I was a wolrd leading surgeon, I would of preformed the operation myself, but Im not. I wasn't allowed to watch, help or anything, understandbly so. Its the only thing I could do to help, both myself, Gf and newborn. I saw my daughter get resucitated and this was when she was on the mend, I also stopped the medics from doing the same to my Nan, but she had lived her life.
I kissed my Mum goodnight last year, I respected her wishes and she wasn't resucitated either, she was mid 50's. All her family were around her I knew the moment she went, 1. I was grateful she was MY mum and not the next persons and just as much, 2. I was there. I couldn't stop her die'ing but at least I was with her. She should of died in Germany but somehow she made it home on a private flight, when the genarotor broke down so her breathing pipe stopped, but again, a miricale (imo) kept her alive so she could be with myself and my family when she left.
Ive mentioned how my Gf cares for severly disabled people, through this I have first hand knowledge of what goes on. Im not going to mention exactly, thankfully you already have but these people I know are real and it's wrong for me to talk in detail about them. They may seem a drain but I know 20 people are employed to look after them, not at the same time but in shifts. Im not sure what the wages accumilate to of the helpers, but without them knowing the patients have given 20 people a job, 20 familys less to claim on the social services, 20 people who are very happy in their job, 20 people with a focus on life, helping others. My gf works 12 hour shifts doing the hardest work I have ever seen her do, we see less of each other and yet she has never been so happy. Jokingly you may add thats cos I'm a shit Bf, but the truth is it's the sence of achivement of making these unfortunate people happy. My daughter loves going there to see them after school and they love seeing her, yet they are just as you quoted and very handicapped. They don't even know their own parents who visit every other day.
I'll finish off by saying my Daughter does suffer everyday, its not a big suffer and when stood in school line she looks exactly the same as the next child, but we know what she has to go through. I may never become a Grandad and while that bothers me a bit. It's out-weighed by the gratitude I have to the medics who saved her and have corrected 99% of her problems. Ive seen babies die in SCBU and that was far worse than watching Mum die, I truly belive Im one lucky fucker. On paper she isn't perfect but to me is is. I could never contemplate switching that machine off, never. I hope myself and everyone else here never have to face that awful decision, you can't judge yourself in that posistion until you have to face it.