jonsimon
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An 1868 Supreme Court ruling deemed a corporation a person under the American constitution, later, another Court ruling set the precedent that Corporations have every right granted any other person under the Bill of Rights and Constitutional Amendments. In the decades following, this has allowed investors to remain unpunished of corporate crimes as well as allowing Corporate sponsorship of Political Candidates.

Now that we've had 138 years to assess the results, what do you think about the moral and principle implications of Corporate Personage or Person Status? And, what might the future hold in store for the rights of Corporations? If precedent holds, might Corporations gain Citizenship, the vote, or run for office?
PuckMercury
6 x 9 = 42
+298|6783|Portland, OR USA
until they are classified as citizens, they can not hold office or vote.j  I don't see that happening, personally.  I see the academic arguement, and it is certainly an interesting one.  If everyone ends up agreeing with me, I'll quickly jump sides to continue this debate ...
jonsimon
Member
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Apparantly Coporate Personage is too complex for the forum.
PuckMercury
6 x 9 = 42
+298|6783|Portland, OR USA
we could just each pick a view point and go back and forth ...
Masques
Black Panzer Party
+184|6978|Eastern PA

PuckMercury wrote:

until they are classified as citizens, they can not hold office or vote.j  I don't see that happening, personally.  I see the academic arguement, and it is certainly an interesting one.  If everyone ends up agreeing with me, I'll quickly jump sides to continue this debate ...
Although that is not the case de jure, due to the campaign finance situation and the aforementioned exemptions that is the case de facto.
PuckMercury
6 x 9 = 42
+298|6783|Portland, OR USA
de facto does not necessarily translate into legeslative leverage, though your point is well noted.  Given that a corporation is comprised of constituent citizens, I would think a matter of voting twice would come up at some point to put an end to such a line of thought actualizing into reality.

+1 for both latin and french ...
Masques
Black Panzer Party
+184|6978|Eastern PA

PuckMercury wrote:

de facto does not necessarily translate into legeslative leverage, though your point is well noted.  Given that a corporation is comprised of constituent citizens, I would think a matter of voting twice would come up at some point to put an end to such a line of thought actualizing into reality.

+1 for both latin and french ...
Both are latin . I should have typed de iure.
{BMF}*Frank_The_Tank
U.S. > Iran
+497|6834|Florida
This one is above my head.....................*goes back to playing Space Cadet pinball*
Masques
Black Panzer Party
+184|6978|Eastern PA

PuckMercury wrote:

de facto does not necessarily translate into legeslative leverage, though your point is well noted.  Given that a corporation is comprised of constituent citizens, I would think a matter of voting twice would come up at some point to put an end to such a line of thought actualizing into reality.

+1 for both latin and french ...
True and I hadn't thought of the issue of a double vote, but that it would be entertained as a possible issue shows the problem (imo) with corporate personage. Corporations are able to evade (usually) the same kinds of coercive measures ordinary "citizens" are subject to which would appear to render them a kind of "super citizen". For example, a typical fine for some kind of corporate malfeasance, say a labour violation, would be ~$1 mil. whereas for an individual person the equavalent behaviour is perhaps a stint in jail or even a prison term.

Obviously you can't penalize every individual in the corporation, but the relative weight of penalties for legal infractions for citizens versus corporations really needs reexamining (again imo).

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