Lowing, since you appear to have ignored it everytime someone has said it. I'm going to make it the sole thing that I say in this post, so that perhaps you won't 'miss' it. Do you really believe that we live in a world of absolutes? Right and wrong? Black and white? You don't appear to grasp the concept that quite possibly you can be somewhere in between.
This is one thing Cameron is saying that I partially agree with. Not everyone can be millionaires if they want. In modern society, there can be many circumstantial roadblocks preventing significant accumulation of wealth. Nepotism and stuck-up snobbery of superiors, expensive medical problems and a lack of demand for specifically-learned vocational skills are some of the contributing factors, here. While I agree that it isn't my fault nor the government's fault, I don't condone the condemnation of an unsuccessful person who has failed to get ahead in life through no fault of their own.CameronPoe wrote:
Bottom line is that you believe that everyone in life is afforded the same opportunity. That is plainly and simply wrong. Absolute capitalism has a way of maintaining the social hierarchy that generally results from the practice of it. The world if not an ideal place. We need to afford the 'losers' in society every opportunity in life to make something of themselves and to at least have some level of security/comfort in life. We are after all enjoying life at their expense.lowing wrote:
Nope did say that either, I am of the working class, but I don't need welfare, or food stamps or any other govt. hand out. I got married and bought a house WHEN I could afford to, I had kids, WHEN I was established in my career and felt secure. I have recently been laid off, found another job that paid less than what I was making, and have sense returned t omy profession doing hte things I love. ALL without taking 1 penny from any social programs. I take responsibility for myself.CyrusTheVirus wrote:
Exactly. Fuck the working class. They should try harder. Every single one of them can be millionaires if they want.
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Now I'm waiting on you to explain putting words in my mouth and jumping to conclusions. Never mind the fact you may have a job or other obligations, you should have answered me ages ago.Ikarti wrote:
Honestly, I have no basis to say you are racist. My point is not to back up Spearhead, but to point out that labeling him as such when you come under fire really doesn't prove much at all.lowing wrote:
Still waiting on you two to explain how I am a racist based on these quotes. Ikarti, I expected something this stupid, but Spearhead, I am kinda surprised.lowing wrote:
LOL, do you wanna take the challenge??????? step right up.
Oh please lowing, will you be a bit more of a hypocrite?lowing wrote:
Go ahead, and I will debate it with you. I am surprised, it took 3 pages before you liberals started with the name calling. Might be a record.
You can sum that quote up with stereotyping and name calling. You do one thing and then jump over some one for doing the same thing you have done.lowing wrote:
Now, you and your hippie "admin" geek squad buddies can tag me all you want, the fact is, when you grow up and earn everything you work for, you will want to protect it as well. You will not want to give it to those that chose not to work for it themselves. It won't be cool to be a hippie liberal dumb fuck. I guess you will just have wait and see.
No, you don't debate with anyone on anything. I have yet to see you make a compromise in a debate. I have tried to debate with you, and I am sure many others have. You just put your fingers in your ears and yell louder.
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You just put your fingers in your ears and yell louder.
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No I do not believe in total absolutes on everything, however, we are not talking about EVERYTHING. On this particular issue, maybe I am thinking in black and white and that is because it is black and white. There is no reason NONE, what so ever ,for an able bodied American who is mentally stable for him to live in poverety. There is too much opportunity in America for that. Your counter response was that we all can't be millionaires, this is true, hell I ain't even rich let alone a millionaire. You can however, with a simple HS diploma earn a pretty good living if you were so motivated to do so.ghettoperson wrote:
Lowing, since you appear to have ignored it everytime someone has said it. I'm going to make it the sole thing that I say in this post, so that perhaps you won't 'miss' it. Do you really believe that we live in a world of absolutes? Right and wrong? Black and white? You don't appear to grasp the concept that quite possibly you can be somewhere in between.
So, for me, the black and white of it is this, not counting the disabled, there are those that want it but don't want to earn it, there are those that want it, and will work for it. That is black and white. Show me in between. With all the grants and aid that the govt. provides, show me inbetween. Hell the govt. even covers child care for you if you need it when you are in school. SHOW ME IN BETWEEN.
and no I never ignored this, you just don't like my answer.
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I assumed you felt like Spearhead Ikarti since you didn't exactly defend ME. By not questioning SPearhead on his comment and by questioning my response, it was a pretty safe assumption on my part. Plus in other threads you have called me a racist without due cause. Why wouldn't you continue to take your cheap shotsIkarti wrote:
Now I'm waiting on you to explain putting words in my mouth and jumping to conclusions. Never mind the fact you may have a job or other obligations, you should have answered me ages ago.Ikarti wrote:
Honestly, I have no basis to say you are racist. My point is not to back up Spearhead, but to point out that labeling him as such when you come under fire really doesn't prove much at all.lowing wrote:
Still waiting on you two to explain how I am a racist based on these quotes. Ikarti, I expected something this stupid, but Spearhead, I am kinda surprised.
Have you seen the poverty line in the US? Working 40 hours a week at the federal minimum wage is still living in poverty.lowing wrote:
No I do not believe in total absolutes on everything, however, we are not talking about EVERYTHING. On this particular issue, maybe I am thinking in black and white and that is because it is black and white. There is no reason NONE, what so ever ,for an able bodied American who is mentally stable for him to live in poverety.
edit: you are going to need to amend your argument in some way to make a point.
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Actually, I think you're one of the ones I distinctly remember haven't called racist. Or taking cheap shots. Believe it or not, as bizarre as I find a lot of your ramblings, I don't particularly think they're stupid. Besides, you get more than enough people pissy to begin with so I don't feel a need to jump in.lowing wrote:
I assumed you felt like Spearhead Ikarti since you didn't exactly defend ME. By not questioning SPearhead on his comment and by questioning my response, it was a pretty safe assumption on my part. Plus in other threads you have called me a racist without due cause. Why wouldn't you continue to take your cheap shotsIkarti wrote:
Now I'm waiting on you to explain putting words in my mouth and jumping to conclusions. Never mind the fact you may have a job or other obligations, you should have answered me ages ago.Ikarti wrote:
Honestly, I have no basis to say you are racist. My point is not to back up Spearhead, but to point out that labeling him as such when you come under fire really doesn't prove much at all.
EDIT: Cheap shots at you specifically. I damn well know I've taken cheap shots all the time at others. Especially Devildriver, but that's just comedy.
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lowing, you called immortal technique a gang banger.... care to tell us why?
First look closely at the quote you took as your shining example of me throwing out name calling. THe part where it says, "You and your hippie "admin" geek squad buddies can tag me all you want". My response was defensive to you calling me shit in YOUR previous post.duk0r wrote:
Oh please lowing, will you be a bit more of a hypocrite?lowing wrote:
Go ahead, and I will debate it with you. I am surprised, it took 3 pages before you liberals started with the name calling. Might be a record.You can sum that quote up with stereotyping and name calling. You do one thing and then jump over some one for doing the same thing you have done.lowing wrote:
Now, you and your hippie "admin" geek squad buddies can tag me all you want, the fact is, when you grow up and earn everything you work for, you will want to protect it as well. You will not want to give it to those that chose not to work for it themselves. It won't be cool to be a hippie liberal dumb fuck. I guess you will just have wait and see.
No, you don't debate with anyone on anything. I have yet to see you make a compromise in a debate. I have tried to debate with you, and I am sure many others have. You just put your fingers in your ears and yell louder.
DO me a favor, pull ALL my posts where I have resorted to name calling, then pull the posts where I have been attacked. Then come back and let me know how often I do it.
Now I doubt he knows it, but Immortal Technique DID run around and assault people for no real reason when he was younger.Spearhead wrote:
lowing, you called immortal technique a gang banger.... care to tell us why?
No I don't, if you are 40 years old and still making minimum wage, you are a loser with no drive or ambition to do better for yourself. THose jobs atre for HS kids and college students working their way through college, NOT for adults trying to support a family!!!!KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
Have you seen the poverty line in the US? Working 40 hours a week at the federal minimum wage is still living in poverty.lowing wrote:
No I do not believe in total absolutes on everything, however, we are not talking about EVERYTHING. On this particular issue, maybe I am thinking in black and white and that is because it is black and white. There is no reason NONE, what so ever ,for an able bodied American who is mentally stable for him to live in poverety.
edit: you are going to need to amend your argument in some way to make a point.
Went to their website, they look look like gang bangers, IS that not the image they wish to portrait?? I also consider M&M a gang banger.Spearhead wrote:
lowing, you called immortal technique a gang banger.... care to tell us why?
I mentioned gang banger..................YOU mentioned blacks and gang bangers............please remember that.
Eminem is a angst ridden white boy. I say boy because he really does not conduct himself as an adult in any way at all. He has not gang banged a thing in his life.lowing wrote:
Went to their website, they look look like gang bangers, IS that not the image they wish to portrait?? I also consider M&M a gang banger.Spearhead wrote:
lowing, you called immortal technique a gang banger.... care to tell us why?
I mentioned gang banger..................YOU mentioned blacks and gang bangers............please remember that.
Okay, so any person who dresses "ghetto" style clothing you consider gang bangers? Ever considered that the type of clothing is largely more popular in the african american demographic than in others? That is not racism, it's social awareness......lowing wrote:
Went to their website, they look look like gang bangers, IS that not the image they wish to portrait?? I also consider M&M a gang banger.Spearhead wrote:
lowing, you called immortal technique a gang banger.... care to tell us why?
I mentioned gang banger..................YOU mentioned blacks and gang bangers............please remember that.
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I agree that the world is not an ideal place, and Cyrus is deluding himself if he thinks all of us can become millionaires. Nevertheless, I do believe the market should mostly clear itself.CameronPoe wrote:
Bottom line is that you believe that everyone in life is afforded the same opportunity. That is plainly and simply wrong. Absolute capitalism has a way of maintaining the social hierarchy that generally results from the practice of it. The world if not an ideal place. We need to afford the 'losers' in society every opportunity in life to make something of themselves and to at least have some level of security/comfort in life. We are after all enjoying life at their expense.
You say this as if gang bangers DO conduct themselves as adults!!Ikarti wrote:
Eminem is a angst ridden white boy. I say boy because he really does not conduct himself as an adult in any way at all. He has not gang banged a thing in his life.lowing wrote:
Went to their website, they look look like gang bangers, IS that not the image they wish to portrait?? I also consider M&M a gang banger.Spearhead wrote:
lowing, you called immortal technique a gang banger.... care to tell us why?
I mentioned gang banger..................YOU mentioned blacks and gang bangers............please remember that.
anyway, I will retract my comment and apologize for accusing you of calling me racist in past threads. I can not find where so I can't prove it. My comment is retracted. However, I know you did cuz I cried myself to sleep that night. I also wasn't worth a damn the next day at work.
So ya mean, "ghetto" ISN'T the look of a gang banger???!!Spearhead wrote:
Okay, so any person who dresses "ghetto" style clothing you consider gang bangers? Ever considered that the type of clothing is largely more popular in the african american demographic than in others? That is not racism, it's social awareness......lowing wrote:
Went to their website, they look look like gang bangers, IS that not the image they wish to portrait?? I also consider M&M a gang banger.Spearhead wrote:
lowing, you called immortal technique a gang banger.... care to tell us why?
I mentioned gang banger..................YOU mentioned blacks and gang bangers............please remember that.
And if it is, and that is how that group dresses and acts, what the hell ya bitchin' about???
Good point... lollowing wrote:
You say this as if gang bangers DO conduct themselves as adults!!
LOL, nope didn't know it, so he IS a gang banger after all!!!??? I knew it, It is just me being "socially aware".Ikarti wrote:
Now I doubt he knows it, but Immortal Technique DID run around and assault people for no real reason when he was younger.Spearhead wrote:
lowing, you called immortal technique a gang banger.... care to tell us why?
It's also bad taste.... Bill Cosby would agree with me, at least.Spearhead wrote:
Okay, so any person who dresses "ghetto" style clothing you consider gang bangers? Ever considered that the type of clothing is largely more popular in the african american demographic than in others? That is not racism, it's social awareness......
Please, lets not debate clothing styles, that's an argument that goes nowhere, and it gets there slowly.Turquoise wrote:
It's also bad taste.... Bill Cosby would agree with me, at least.Spearhead wrote:
Okay, so any person who dresses "ghetto" style clothing you consider gang bangers? Ever considered that the type of clothing is largely more popular in the african american demographic than in others? That is not racism, it's social awareness......
Ya mean, people that wear pants and shirts 10 sizes too big and half way around their asses with their fuckin' underwear sticking out, are finding it hard to find work??...............Now how the hell can that be??!!!!!!!. Obviously "whitey" is a racist. I mean really, it is the "style", after allTurquoise wrote:
It's also bad taste.... Bill Cosby would agree with me, at least.Spearhead wrote:
Okay, so any person who dresses "ghetto" style clothing you consider gang bangers? Ever considered that the type of clothing is largely more popular in the african american demographic than in others? That is not racism, it's social awareness......