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CameronPoe wrote:

lowing wrote:

Guess what Cam, Japan is a Capitalist society. What has Canada contributed??

I am not talking about greed Cam, I am talking about being responsible for yourself in a country you are FREE do as much or as little as you want. I am only saying I don't give a rats ass about those that do not contribute and expect a free ride. That isn't a greedy attitude Cam. Not really sure how many times I have to say it. You accuse me of being black and white, yet after you have heard me say the above, several times in several differnet threads, you refuse to accknowledge it, and just say that I am out for myself. You Cam, are the one who is  seeing in black and white and absolutes.

Lowing. I am well aware of your view. The view is a very binary view. ABSOLUTE capitalism. Absolutism = black/white view. You can't seem to acknowledge the benefit of melding two views or see the flaws in your own view. America is not the America you think it is - there is some health care and there are some tax-funded benefits and safety nets there for US citizens you know. Take them away as you appear to be suggesting - result: anarchy. I can see both sides of the spectrum thank you very much. That's why I'm in the centre. I see the dangers of both absolutist views.

What has Canada contributed? Why do you ask such retarded questions? Canada have probably contributed loads. The M1 Garand? Kerosene? World's first voice message? The CPR mannequin? The silicon chip blood analyser? Gas Mask? Basketball? The zip? The snowblower? The snowmobile? The phone? Alexander Graham Bell was Canadian for christ's sake!!!! Get with it Lowing.

PS Japan's economy FAILED last decade and is struggling to recover. Negative growth for SEVERAL years.

PPS Ireland has the best performing economy in the whole of Europe. And guess what? It's governmental policies lie somewhere in the middle of the political spectrum. I got my entire education right through to my degree - for free, in fact I was given a grant to do it because my parents were low-income. If I fall ill I will get treated and not have to pay a cent. When I retire I will get a satisfactory pension from the state (although I contribute a sizeable chunk of my salary towards supplementing that pension). All this despite the fact that taxes have fallen continuously over the past 15 years. And guess what? I own more meaningless bullshit mp3 players and other gadgets and trinkets than I can shake a stick at. The best thing about the society is that NO-ONE is left behind. You only get that from a balanced approach to government. Rampant capitalism just results in widening gulfs between rich and poor perpetuated by the monopolies that get created.

CameronPoe wrote:

lowing wrote:

Cam, like I said a 1000 times, I am all for helping those that can not help themselves..........Why would I give a shit about helping those that won't help themselves because they know I will??

As far as Canadas contributions, I will bow to it, I don't really feeling researching the history of the basketball.

My attiude is balanced, balanced between taking care of my family and those that need my help. All I am saying is cut the dead weight.

You don't seem to realise that for you or I to progress there will still have to be the poor wretches who have to find menial poor-paying employment in the services sector and such like. We win because they lose. Capitalism doesn't magically create an infinite line of millionaires. These guys, scraping their way through life, have little comfort or security and are unlikely to be able to send their kids to college; a serious illness might send their family under altogether due to the financial strain. We owe the plebs and the working class backbone of society a debt for making it possible for us to get rich and to live in a functioning society. Capitalism won't eliminate the need for people who clean toilets for a living Lowing. You live in some kind of idealised hypothetical world where everyone can win as far as I can see.

CyrusTheVirus wrote:

lowing wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

You don't seem to realise that for you or I to progress there will still have to be the poor wretches who have to find menial poor-paying employment in the services sector and such like. We win because they lose. Capitalism doesn't magically create an infinite line of millionaires. These guys, scraping their way through life, have little comfort or security and are unlikely to be able to send their kids to college; a serious illness might send their family under altogether due to the financial strain. We owe the plebs and the working class backbone of society a debt for making it possible for us to get rich and to live in a functioning society. Capitalism won't eliminate the need for people who clean toilets for a living Lowing. You live in some kind of idealised hypothetical world where everyone can win as far as I can see.

Nope I don't. If, at 40 years old, you are still "cleaning tpilets" for a living then YOU have made a serious vocational error in your career path. It isn't the govts. fault, and it isn't MY problem.

Exactly. Fuck the working class. They should try harder. Every single one of them can be millionaires if they want.

lowing wrote:

"Let's get one thing straight- I have no illusions that the government is set up to take care of me.  I KNOW the government is set up to take care of the well-connected and rich," <----- your words


How else am I supposed to take this post if not assuming you think the govt. panders to the rich and shits on everoneelse??

lowing wrote:

THe rich put this country to work, not the poor

lowing wrote:

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

lowing wrote:

"Let's get one thing straight- I have no illusions that the government is set up to take care of me.  I KNOW the government is set up to take care of the well-connected and rich," <----- your words


How else am I supposed to take this post if not assuming you think the govt. panders to the rich and shits on everoneelse??

The government DOES pander to the wealthy.  That is not an opinion, that is fact.  Pandering to the wealthy and creating your own wealth are two different things, no?

lowing wrote:

THe rich put this country to work, not the poor

A wise man once said,

We act like we share in the spoils of war that they do
We die in wars, we don't get the contracts to make money off 'em afterwards!
We don't get weapons contracts, nigga!
We don't get cheap labor for our companies, nigga!
We are cheap labor, nigga!
Turn off the news and read, nigga!

Immortal Technique, 4th Branch

Show me how the govt. panders to the wealthy, then explain earned income tax credits.


Great you are gunna quote some gang bangers as words of wisdom. Well better than AL Franken I guess

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

I meant the captured and imprisoned troops of Nazi Germany. Shuttling info back and forth between a jailed kraut officer and the active German forces would've probably been a pretty big no-no.

IRONCHEF wrote:

Yeah, I see zero illegality with her visiting Hugo Chavez, but it's a little dumb of an idea.  It's too much of a protesting drum beat.  Stick with the "camp casey" thing in Crawford and around the whitehouse until she gets her purpose fulfilled.

IRONCHEF wrote:

BTW, I dig Chavez and think he's an outstanding foreign affairs official..well, his calling Bush satan in a UN meeting was uncalled for, even if its true.  I like his bravery for standing up for his country and calling Bush out on the things he does.  He also has a good reason to sitting on all that oil.  To be frank, and unbiased, I hope he cuts off oil delivery to the US if the US doesn't behave better towards him.  It'll suck for us, but he shouldn't be a push over and let the US direct his politics and government.

Ikarti wrote:

lowing wrote:

Spearhead wrote:

Gang bangers?  I thought you said you weren't racist, lowing...... too much beer today?  Forgot that you had to pretend to be kind to other races?  Or do you just equate any black person who uses the n word to be a gang banger?

Wow, now saying gang banger is racist??............You are the one that associated blacks with gang banging, why is that??

Also, I challenge you to show me where a gang banger is a "race"of people. What country do they originate from, Gang Bangatopia?? Maybe Gang Bangsylvania??

Yeah just turn it on him. Proves a lot.

Last edited by lowing (2006-10-17 19:55:14)

lowing wrote:

...then explain earned income tax credits.

rawls wrote:

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

rawls2 wrote:

Well gentlemen, I hate to break it to you but people like her is what make this country the greatest. As retarded as it sounds, defending the guilty is part of are justice system and thats what sets us apart from the Axis of Evil.

No, you have it backwards. It's: defending the innocent until proven guilty.

And we also still try to protect those already convicted, ie. ACLU.

lowing wrote:

Ikarti wrote:

lowing wrote:

Wow, now saying gang banger is racist??............You are the one that associated blacks with gang banging, why is that??

Also, I challenge you to show me where a gang banger is a "race"of people. What country do they originate from, Gang Bangatopia?? Maybe Gang Bangsylvania??

Yeah just turn it on him. Proves a lot.

LOL, do you wanna take the challenge??????? step right up.

CameronPoe wrote:

Bottom line is that you believe that everyone in life is afforded the same opportunity. That is plainly and simply wrong. Absolute capitalism has a way of maintaining the social hierarchy that generally results from the practice of it. The world if not an ideal place. We need to afford the 'losers' in society every opportunity in life to make something of themselves and to at least have some level of security/comfort in life. We are after all enjoying life at their expense.