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2006-10-17 17:35:31
Chaos81
Member
+5|6690

dubbs wrote:

Edit:  EA could determine the time that you logged on, by noting when your IP address accesses their account servers.
EA isn't the one that needs the info, it's IGA. Much easier for them to do it their way, then wait for EA to give them the info.

dubbs wrote:

Also, they do not need your IP address for any advertising.
They don't? What about ads from a foreign country? What good would it be to show an add for say, Eurosport in American. 99% of Americans would go, "Eurosport, what in the world is that?". They need it so they can see what country and area of that country you are in.


dubbs wrote:

The more I think about it, you tell them what nation you live in when you create your solider in BF2142, they do not need your IP for this.
People lie about that.

dubbs wrote:

shows even more that this does not sound legal.
I'm thinking EA has enough lawyers on payroll that if it was illegal, they would have been told so. If it is illegal, we'll find out soon enough.

Last edited by Chaos81 (2006-10-17 17:38:30)

2006-10-17 17:54:25
Ty
Mass Media Casualty
+2,398|6776|Noizyland

It's consumerism gone crazy. Do they really think we're any more likely to buy their crappy products if they put them in a videogame?
Regardless, I have reasoned with myself past the initial outrage of this information, and come to this conclusion - the feed to EA in BF2142 will probably be a lot like that Stats feed whch is currently active in BF2. Presumably this means that only information is transferred while the game is running.

Nevertheless, I'd like a more informative explination given to me by EA before I'll consider buying the game again.
[Blinking eyes thing]
Steam: http://steamcommunity.com/id/tzyon
2006-10-17 17:57:18
Stun_Gun
The Tom Cruise of BF2 pilots
+102|6775|California, US
http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/7315/igavy2.jpg
here you go guys....
now for for wont buy it.
cant wait for UT07

Last edited by Stun_Gun (2006-10-17 17:58:01)

2006-10-17 18:03:08
dubbs
Member
+105|6634|Lexington, KY

Chaos81 wrote:

dubbs wrote:

Edit:  EA could determine the time that you logged on, by noting when your IP address accesses their account servers.
EA isn't the one that needs the info, it's IGA. Much easier for them to do it their way, then wait for EA to give them the info.
EA can give IGA access to the databases with this information.  IGA will not have to wait for EA to give the data to them.  Also, from what I understand is that the ads will be rotating.  This will allow EA time to give this information to IGA.

Chaos81 wrote:

dubbs wrote:

Also, they do not need your IP address for any advertising.
They don't? What about ads from a foreign country? What good would it be to show an add for say, Eurosport in American. 99% of Americans would go, "Eurosport, what in the world is that?". They need it so they can see what country and area of that country you are in.
This statement was supported by the fact that you choose a nation when you create a solider, so they can determine the ads based on this data.  If you choose Bagaladesh as your nation, EA should base ads on this information

Chaos81 wrote:

dubbs wrote:

The more I think about it, you tell them what nation you live in when you create your solider in BF2142, they do not need your IP for this.
People lie about that.
EA gets paid no matter what country you say that you are in, so this does not matter to them.  Since this statement is suppose to go with the one above, again, additional software does not need to be installed to track this information.

Chaos81 wrote:

dubbs wrote:

shows even more that this does not sound legal.
I'm thinking EA has enough lawyers on payroll that if it was illegal, they would have been told so. If it is illegal, we'll find out soon enough.
Sony had a lot of lawyers on their payroll, and they still released the rootkit that caused legal issues for Sony.
2006-10-17 20:14:16
RoosterCantrell
Goodbye :)
+399|6482|Somewhere else

I think the next BF game will be Battlefield: Corperate wars!

Imagine the different armies! General Electric? General Motors? Mircosoft! Peoples Liberation Army of E-Harmony? Im sold!!!!!!!1111!!!!!!
2006-10-17 21:26:55
specialistx2324
hahahahahhaa
+244|6690|arica harbour

[Project.D]-Demon wrote:

On a peculiar note, even though the world is ending in 2142, it appears that advertising will still be around. Battlefield 2142 features in-game ads, though we didn't get to see them firsthand during our testing. Still, there is a printed disclaimer that comes with the game telling you that Battlefield 2142 will analyze certain "advertising data" on your machine to determine what ads to display to you. Ironically, EA says that if you don't want your data shared with its advertising partner then "do not install or play the software on any platform that is used to connect to the Internet." But that would pretty much defeat the purpose of playing Battlefield 2142, wouldn't it? Of course, you could always play single-player against the artificial intelligence, though the AI won't be mistaken for human opponents any time soon, and the single-player is still limited to 16-player maps. Still, this is an example of things to come, as we begin to see dynamic in-game ads appear in more and more games.

Then i wont be buying anything from ea anymore.... im done with ea.... they fucked over the ps2 racing side and now they are fucking over the pc side so screw ea im done with it.
well my friends, i got your proof to show that Demon here is right

http://www.thefatwebsite.com/gallery2/d … laimer.JPG
2006-10-17 21:35:37
alpinestar
Member
+304|6598|New York City baby.
what do you expect its EA
2006-10-17 23:33:25
Viper007Bond
Moderator Emeritus
+236|6807|Portland, OR, USA

There is no spyware in BF2142. I just spent the past 3 hours (1.3 million files) running deep, full spyware scans using both Windows Defender and Adaware. Neither returned any results. So that right there answers the question if there is anything running while 2142 is not open (which I doubted from the beginning).

Now of course there can still be code within 2142 itself which tracks what ads you look at / view / whatever or more likely, where you are in the world and what ads to send to you (no sense in sending you ads for a company that doesn't exist where you are), but who really cares about that? It's not spying on your PC, it's just serving ads.
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2006-10-18 00:13:02
T.Bagwell
Member
+1|6589|FF=ON
I wonder how many of you use gmail...  or have looked at a website that has google ads...  oh wait, that's all of you.

contextually relevant dynamic advertising is nothing new.  sure, it may burn to see it in a game that you paid good money for, but its not spyware in the traditional sense.  heck, ads in a video game is nothing new -- anybody remember Wipeout XL or was that too long ago?  there are tons of other examples, the only difference is that this is supposed to be "contextually relevant"

http://investor.ea.com/phoenix.zhtml?c= … highlight=

by using your IP address (anonymously, I hope) they can pinpoint your regional location and "expose" you to campaigns relevant for your region.  beyond that, time will tell...  we'll have to see what all the crack commandos report

has anybody had an in-game advertising experience that they could trace back to a recently visited website?  how about a screenshot?
2006-10-18 00:26:59
Krysiss
Member
+15|6476|NL

Viper007Bond wrote:

There is no spyware in BF2142. I just spent the past 3 hours (1.3 million files) running deep, full spyware scans using both Windows Defender and Adaware. Neither returned any results. So that right there answers the question if there is anything running while 2142 is not open (which I doubted from the beginning).

Now of course there can still be code within 2142 itself which tracks what ads you look at / view / whatever or more likely, where you are in the world and what ads to send to you (no sense in sending you ads for a company that doesn't exist where you are), but who really cares about that? It's not spying on your PC, it's just serving ads.
OMg let me think.

You accept lince of agreement.
SO it can't be detected as spyware because you have agreed with the EULA.

tink for you do something.
how they do it is illegal by using spyware methodes but you have agreed so.
2006-10-18 00:51:58
Viper007Bond
Moderator Emeritus
+236|6807|Portland, OR, USA

Krysiss wrote:

SO it can't be detected as spyware because you have agreed with the EULA.
Anti-spyware clients care about EULAs? I think not. They search for code, it doesn't matter where it is. Not to mention, nothing new has tried to access the internet and no new processes are running. So, as I said, nothing happens out of game.

And I never said it's illegal. It's not.
https://bf3s.com/sigs/044900892044e7fc95e599e832a086ae9bcd7efb.png
2006-10-18 01:20:24
zeidmaan
Member
+234|6417|Vienna

As long as half of the adds are not "Claim your free iPod here" or "Congratulations you are the winner" or "Find your solemate and live happily ever after" - I wont have a problem with it.
2006-10-18 01:27:51
Anfidurl
Use the bumper, that's what its for!
+103|6595|Lexington, Kentucky
http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2006/10/18 … 2_adverts/

New story, with clarification from EA drone, but still a bit iffy on what it actually *does*
2006-10-18 01:54:37
Krysiss
Member
+15|6476|NL

Viper007Bond wrote:

Krysiss wrote:

SO it can't be detected as spyware because you have agreed with the EULA.
Anti-spyware clients care about EULAs? I think not. They search for code, it doesn't matter where it is. Not to mention, nothing new has tried to access the internet and no new processes are running. So, as I said, nothing happens out of game.

And I never said it's illegal. It's not.
no new procceses he..

o realy Why most the programma has to be active if you are not playing bf2142.
is it that a bit weird?¿
2006-10-18 02:04:05
Viper007Bond
Moderator Emeritus
+236|6807|Portland, OR, USA

Krysiss wrote:

Why most the programma has to be active if you are not playing bf2142.
is it that a bit weird?¿
Huh? Your English is poor and I can't understand what you mean.
https://bf3s.com/sigs/044900892044e7fc95e599e832a086ae9bcd7efb.png
2006-10-18 02:09:12
Krysiss
Member
+15|6476|NL

Viper007Bond wrote:

Krysiss wrote:

Why most the programma has to be active if you are not playing bf2142.
is it that a bit weird?¿
Huh? Your English is poor and I can't understand what you mean.
Why most be the program be active if you are not playing bf2142.
stranger isn't it?¿
2006-10-18 02:29:50
GUN|BF2.Craven
Member
+1|6551|Hamburg, Germany
as soon as someone knows your ip you are NOT anonymous. you CAN be tracked. so it makes me curious what kind of "other anonymous information (advertising data)" they need beyond my IP to deliver "relevant" ads? sorry but this smells fishy...
2006-10-18 02:39:25
[=][=]DADDYOFDEATH
Member
+46|6454|Bradford UK
theres ads in bf2's armoured fury, on road rage on the main highway, theres a billboard with a watch on it, the time on the watch says 21:42 lol, im too busy killing nubcakes to notice stuff like this, maybe im wrong but do you all run around looking for these ads? i never noticed such things till my chum.....p told me the other week!!
2006-10-18 03:18:43
Kanil
"Aff, Star Colonel!"
+37|6763|Internet!

RoosterCantrell wrote:

You have been awarded: Meritorious Consumer Medal

Meritorious Consumer Medal is awarded to players completing the following Criteria:

50 Global Hours viewing in game Ad
6 Minutes IAR viewing in game Ad In Belgrade
6 Minutes IAR viewing in game Ad In Cerbere Landing
6 Minutes IAR viewing in game Ad In Fall of Berlin
6 Minutes IAR viewing in game Ad In Minsk
6 Minutes IAR viewing in game Ad In Verdun
6 Minutes IAR viewing in game Ad In Camp Gibraltar
6 Minutes IAR viewing in game Ad In Suez Canal
6 Minutes IAR viewing in game Ad In Shuhia Taiba
6 Minutes IAR viewing in game Ad In Sidi Power Plant
6 Minutes IAR viewing in game Ad In Tunis Harbor
I can see it now. Dozens of players just sitting infront of a billboard, staring at it. You shoot them. "Hey jackass, I'm trying to get my badge. Fuck off!"
2006-10-18 03:26:08
_j5689_
Dreads & Bergers
+364|6719|Riva, MD

Krysiss wrote:

Viper007Bond wrote:

Krysiss wrote:

Why most the programma has to be active if you are not playing bf2142.
is it that a bit weird?¿
Huh? Your English is poor and I can't understand what you mean.
Why most be the program be active if you are not playing bf2142.
stranger isn't it?¿
I think you mean: "Why must the program be active if you are not playing BF2?".  The answer to that is what viper said, which is that there is no spyware program active when you're not playing BF2142.

Last edited by _j5689_ (2006-10-18 03:26:46)

2006-10-18 03:50:01
Flecco
iPod is broken.
+1,048|6667|NT, like Mick Dundee

Hmm. I'm thinking these in game adds will spread through the gaming industry pretty quick. As it is, I think I'll unlock the RDX-7 asap... Blow me some adds up.

ZoneAlarm is a great firewall which can keep track of stuff like this. Avast can help a little too.
Whoa... Can't believe these forums are still kicking.
2006-10-18 04:38:54
aardfrith
Δ > x > ¥
+145|6794
One problem I haven't seen anyone else mention is the fact that the software sends information to other countries, and specifically for EU countries, outside the EU.

When I play BF2, which isn't often these days, I try to find a server with a low ping time to reduce lag and generally improve my gameplay.  If I'm on a local server, obviously the ping time will be lower than if I play on a server 3000 miles away.  However, if on 2142, the game is trying to send my information across the Atlantic, to a place where I know I can't get a decent ping time, is there a danger of lagging the game just to get an advert?

And what the hell was wrong with the old style of in-game adverts, the static ones?  NFS:MW has numerous adverts for Burger King.  The PS2 game, The Getaway seems to have been sponsored by most UK high-street retailers.  It's a tried and tested method of raising cash to fund the development of a game.  Dynamic shit like this is just asking for trouble.
2006-10-18 04:45:20
EvilMonkeySlayer
Member
+82|6654

Viper007Bond wrote:

There is no spyware in BF2142. I just spent the past 3 hours (1.3 million files) running deep, full spyware scans using both Windows Defender and Adaware. Neither returned any results. So that right there answers the question if there is anything running while 2142 is not open (which I doubted from the beginning).

Now of course there can still be code within 2142 itself which tracks what ads you look at / view / whatever or more likely, where you are in the world and what ads to send to you (no sense in sending you ads for a company that doesn't exist where you are), but who really cares about that? It's not spying on your PC, it's just serving ads.
Saying there is no spyware in BF 2142 after running Windows Defender and Ad-Aware is kind of like saying your machine is free of viruses after running a AV scan without (or even with) updated definitions.

Anti-spyware/Anti-virus software is only good at picking up KNOWN files that have been identified, this is why you have idiots infected with viruses. They're so sure they are free of viruses because they have anti-virus software installed, regardless of whether it's updated or not. Often there are viruses that aren't picked up by the AV software vendors for a few days, sometimes longer depending on how widely infected machines get and the more savvy users identify and report the viruses as such.

If there is spyware built into BF 2142 it's probably called by the main program as a DLL file to scan your machine whilst idle or semi-idle. (say whilst you're browsing the server list)

As to disabling any spyware, it probably uses a seperate server to send/receive the ads and info about you. Example, BF 2142 whilst running downloads the ad banners from iga.banners.ea.com (or somesuch), to block it a user could just go into their hosts file and say add "127.0.0.1 iga.banners.ea.com", or if instead it didn't use a domain and used an ip then you could null route it (if you have a good enough router) or simply firewall the ip from both incoming and outgoing. (again, requires a decent router)


As for me?

The moment EA announced BF 2142 would include ads in it, was the moment I decided not to buy it. BF2 suits me fine anyway.

EDIT: Sorry if that came off as confrontational. Not intended. I'm usually a laid back fellow, but sometimes I rant in my old age.

Last edited by EvilMonkeySlayer (2006-10-18 04:54:20)

2006-10-18 06:21:45
ShotYourSix
Boldly going nowhere...
+196|6721|Las Vegas
I gave up watching TV many years ago because I was fed up with being forcefed so many freaking ads.  I quit listening to radio cause I can't stand the freaking ads.  Shit!  I can see where this is going.....
2006-10-18 06:43:16
Capt.CupoNoodles
Member
+18|6768|Southampton, PA
Bit off topic, but keep in mind that most "Anti-Spyware" companies will actually skip over stuff if they've been paid....no kidding.
As a test, run Ad-aware against your machine (one of the WORST for this), and then run Spybot Search and destroy...Spybot will find stuff that Ad-Aware skips...Make sure you update the def files on both first, though.
Spybot watches your registry too, which is most important, IMHO.

Just a tip.
>edit<

Hey, I have -1 Rank...COOL!

Last edited by Capt.CupoNoodles (2006-10-18 06:44:35)

 

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