BF2S Forums Global Warming: The ice melt-down

Stingray24 wrote:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/56456.stm

How about climatologists and astronomers speaking at the American Association for the Advancement of Science?  That's a credible scientific body.  Largest general scientific society in fact.  They back up my assertion that global warming, if it is occuring, is caused more by the Sun, than by humans.  There goes the "we're destroying the earth" bs.  The Sun's cycle will take it's usual change and the Arctic will gain back it's ice cap mass.  It's happened before, it'll happen again.  I'll take a pizza instead of the biscuit.

Well, regardless of whether or not you believe in global warming, isn't making an effort to conserve resources and decrease pollution a good thing?

I want someone of the skeptical dudes in here to show me a scientific source that denies this fact.  The global warming isn't BS like you think.  The Ice Ages in Earth have a cycle of around 100.000 years.  Last one was 10.000 ago.  Most scientists think there will be another Ice Age in about 500 years if things go this way.  Now bring the scientific articles where it says this isn't true.  It's in National Geographic, Discovery, NASA, Greenpeace, WWF, every scientific publication.

Bertster7 wrote:

Aenima_Eyes wrote:

Yeah, and scientists also want us to piss our pants over rogue asteroids, sunspots, and the avian flu.  As long as you give them grant money scientists will call anything you want a threat to humanity.

There's the deadly global warming. . .the super massive earthquake scheduled to drop Cali into the drink. . .there's the ticking time bomb of a volcano under Yellowstone that will obliterate half of the country, and the list goes on.  Hell, scientists are WAY better at scaring people with their doomsday predictions than the Republicans are with their terrorist talk.

I mean shit. . .in 8th freaking grade I learned about how humans have only been around for about .000000000000000000000000000000000001% of the Earth's history and how the Earth goes through insane global changes every so often.  Yet now the scientists (since they've got the guy that invented the Internet backing them) want to say that what we've done in a mere 100 years or so is going to kill all of us and wreck a planet that's been around for MILLIONS of years?  Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.  I'm more worried about those kooks ripping a hole in the space-time continuum with their particle accelerator and letting head crabs kill us all.....

For a start your figures are very wrong. The universe is between 12 and 14 billion years old (they know, but I've forgotten which it is, 12 or 14). The Earth is much less old than that. If humans had only been around for 1 year, and taking the universe to be 10 billion years old that's more like 0.000000001% of the history of the universe.

The planet will be fine. Most people will be ok. It's the ones living in countries that will be flooded and those that will suffer from drought, like much of Asia and Africa, the two biggest, most populated continents, that will suffer.

Are you serious?  Really, stunted people with no concept of exageration, embellishment for purposes of making a point, or sarcasm need to steer clear of internet message boards.

Turquoise wrote:

Well, regardless of whether or not you believe in global warming, isn't making an effort to conserve resources and decrease pollution a good thing?

Yes, it is.  I've said that in several of my posts.

And sergeriver, how can they know that earth has an ice age cycle of around 100,000 years?  No one was there!  All we're doing is guessing, at best.  Let's assume the 100,000 year cycle is true.  Then why do we think we can change what nature's been doing for so long?  All the scientific articles on this earth at this moment add up to one big guess based on how people choose to interpret the evidence.  You will never convince me that some guy (or collection of guys) that's been on this earth less than 100 years has a grasp on what earth is going to do.  If we're so powerful that we can swing climate then why haven't we figured out how to stop hurricanes, earthquakes, tsunamis, tornadoes, volcanoes?  That's preposterous, you say, we can't possibly stop those things, mother nature does what she wants.  And I agree.  Same with global warming.  We can sit here and come up with theories that we're going to destroy the earth in 50 years or 100 years or 500 years unless we figure out a way to reduce certain gasses in our atmosphere.  Then nature throws in a couple huge volcanoes and it throws our calculations all to hell.  What am I trying to say?  Even if I agree global warming is true, we can't stop nature from doing what it has always done.  Since we can't do that, all this discussion of global warming is pointless.

Turquoise wrote:

Aenima_Eyes wrote:

Yeah, and scientists also want us to piss our pants over rogue asteroids, sunspots, and the avian flu.  As long as you give them grant money scientists will call anything you want a threat to humanity.

There's the deadly global warming. . .the super massive earthquake scheduled to drop Cali into the drink. . .there's the ticking time bomb of a volcano under Yellowstone that will obliterate half of the country, and the list goes on.  Hell, scientists are WAY better at scaring people with their doomsday predictions than the Republicans are with their terrorist talk.

I mean shit. . .in 8th freaking grade I learned about how humans have only been around for about .000000000000000000000000000000000001% of the Earth's history and how the Earth goes through insane global changes every so often.  Yet now the scientists (since they've got the guy that invented the Internet backing them) want to say that what we've done in a mere 100 years or so is going to kill all of us and wreck a planet that's been around for MILLIONS of years?  Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.  I'm more worried about those kooks ripping a hole in the space-time continuum with their particle accelerator and letting head crabs kill us all.....

I disagree.  The hawks among the neocons have done a very thorough job of scaring Americans -- probably even better than the terrorists themselves.

This post of yours has some humorous comparisons, but there isn't much here worthy of discussion.  Do try to discuss the issue at hand rather than trying to paint all scientists as "kooks."

You and your asinine ChickenLittle rantings is what isn't worthy for discussion.  Most scientists DO know what the hell they're talking about. . .just not the ones that Al Gore and the History channel rely on for their "The World is Gonna Explode!!" crockumentaries.

Yes. . .it is possible that global warming caused by humans could melt the ice caps and raises the sea level.  Yes. . .it is possible that tomorrow a huge asteroid could smack the Earth and wipe out humanity.  It is also possible that I could go to sleep and not wake up. . .do I worry about it just because it is possible?  No.  That's irrational.

I'm all for doing things to help out the environment.  Hell, when I was in 8th grade that year learning about the miniscule amount of time humans have been around I did a fund raiser with my science class to donate money to save the rainforest.  However, Al Gore wants to go around and make asinine comments to give himself relevance in the eyes of the American people and make some cash while he's at it.  To suggest that because of human pollution the sea level is going to rise and flood all the coastal areas of America in TEN YEARS is bordering on criminal.  He's trying to foster a panic and it's ridiculous.  It's a lot like the cult leaders who say that aliens are going to end the world on such and such a day.  The day comes and goes with nothing happening and they just get even crazier and come up with even weirder excuses for why THAT day wasn't THE day. . .but THE day is really coming on so and so. 

Didn't all those same asshat scientists say that ALLLL the bad hurricanes last year were our fault, and that this year it was going to be 100x worse?  Whoops.  If they can't predict next year, I seriously doubt they can predict 10, 20, 100 years down the road.

Besides. . .who the fuck here thinks that people could stop polluting even if they wanted to?  Everyone isn't going to stop driving to work just so Al Gore will be happy that we're cutting the pollution output.  Besides, even if America quit today China and India and all the other developing nations will be replacing us and outdoing us.

So please. . .stop with that elitist fucking attitude and "do try" to stop sounding like a paranoid Al Gore copy cat clone.  Go reinvent the Internet or something and save us from having to listen to your nonsense.

Last edited by Aenima_Eyes (2006-10-15 20:09:35)

sergeriver wrote:

So coz Al Gore or the UN are worried it isn't happening.  Very mature to say the leftist are making this up.
That's the thinking we need to change things for better.
The frequency of Ice Ages in Earth are 100.000 years.  The last one took place 10.000 years ago, and at this rate the next is going to happen in the next 500-800 years.  So, we didn't cause this?

guess you didnt read my entire post. MASSIVE HUMOUNOUS LIVE DESTROYING ICE AGES take place every 100,000 years. but ever 10,000 years theres a smaller one. its gonna happen no matter what, people arent making it up, but they are making up human impact on the enovironment.  in the past 100 years, with the growth of agriculture.

Darn, someone kept this thread going when we had a good ending point.

norge wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

Kilimanjaro has already lost 82 percent of its ice cover over 80 years.

So you are saying that humans hare causing this?  UHM NO. its false.  human impact is so minimal, but al gore and all those fucking leftists are making a huge deal about it.  ever 100,000 years theres been an ice age.  every 10,000 years theres been a small global weather change, which is warming then drastic cooling.  its been happening for millions of years, and there really isnt anythingw e can do to stop it.  the suns output if energy is NOT stable, the amount variest in cycles.  this is the main reason for 'global warming' and the current wacky weather that you may have noticed.  humans cant do anything to prevent it, but we can take measures to be prepared when it all goes downhill.  im not gonna quote my sources, but u can find em if u want, i wrote a paper on this for school last year.

I'm yet to see your links and scientific evidence to prove this.

Out of all the scientific papers ever conducted on global warming not a single one has been saying that "it ain't happening". The only reason people doubt global warming is because the corporate bigwigs see that it will stop their personal profits and see fit to brainwash the people into thinking that nothings going on.

As shown in "An Inconvenient Truth" (SCIENTIFIC TEST CONDUCTED BY SCIENTISTS) we saw a graph that documented the ice ages, it showed that the carbon dioxide in the atmosphere (the cause of global heating and the cause of the glaciers melting and current changing) prior to these ice ages the CO2 levels we not nearly as high as they are now, and the glaciers melting and the snows of kilamanjaro are further proof.

The fact that you "wrote a paper on this for school" doesn't mean shit stacked up against the endless papers provided by professional scientists claiming that global warming exists and is a serious problem.

We have an opportunity to try and prevent another Ice Age, but you choose to sit on your hands? I find that strange.

Stingray24 wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Well, regardless of whether or not you believe in global warming, isn't making an effort to conserve resources and decrease pollution a good thing?

Yes, it is.  I've said that in several of my posts.

And sergeriver, how can they know that earth has an ice age cycle of around 100,000 years?  No one was there!  All we're doing is guessing, at best.  Let's assume the 100,000 year cycle is true.  Then why do we think we can change what nature's been doing for so long?  All the scientific articles on this earth at this moment add up to one big guess based on how people choose to interpret the evidence.  You will never convince me that some guy (or collection of guys) that's been on this earth less than 100 years has a grasp on what earth is going to do.  If we're so powerful that we can swing climate then why haven't we figured out how to stop hurricanes, earthquakes, tsunamis, tornadoes, volcanoes?  That's preposterous, you say, we can't possibly stop those things, mother nature does what she wants.  And I agree.  Same with global warming.  We can sit here and come up with theories that we're going to destroy the earth in 50 years or 100 years or 500 years unless we figure out a way to reduce certain gasses in our atmosphere.  Then nature throws in a couple huge volcanoes and it throws our calculations all to hell.  What am I trying to say?  Even if I agree global warming is true, we can't stop nature from doing what it has always done.  Since we can't do that, all this discussion of global warming is pointless.

The cycles of Ice Ages are a scientific fact.  Scientists drill the ice core and they can tell the variations on temperature, CO2, dust and other conditions over the last 400.000 years, and that's why we know there was an Ice Age every 100.000 years, and the last one took place 10.000 years ago.  It's in every scintific publication.  I'm suscribed to National Geographic, I don't think they are being alarmists only to sell more magazines.  So, if every 100.000 years there was an Ice Age why the cycle is now reduced to 10.000 years?  Nobody says that the Earth will be destroyed.  But be sure it won't be great for the living beings in it.

Aenima_Eyes wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Aenima_Eyes wrote:

Yeah, and scientists also want us to piss our pants over rogue asteroids, sunspots, and the avian flu.  As long as you give them grant money scientists will call anything you want a threat to humanity.

There's the deadly global warming. . .the super massive earthquake scheduled to drop Cali into the drink. . .there's the ticking time bomb of a volcano under Yellowstone that will obliterate half of the country, and the list goes on.  Hell, scientists are WAY better at scaring people with their doomsday predictions than the Republicans are with their terrorist talk.

I mean shit. . .in 8th freaking grade I learned about how humans have only been around for about .000000000000000000000000000000000001% of the Earth's history and how the Earth goes through insane global changes every so often.  Yet now the scientists (since they've got the guy that invented the Internet backing them) want to say that what we've done in a mere 100 years or so is going to kill all of us and wreck a planet that's been around for MILLIONS of years?  Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.  I'm more worried about those kooks ripping a hole in the space-time continuum with their particle accelerator and letting head crabs kill us all.....

I disagree.  The hawks among the neocons have done a very thorough job of scaring Americans -- probably even better than the terrorists themselves.

This post of yours has some humorous comparisons, but there isn't much here worthy of discussion.  Do try to discuss the issue at hand rather than trying to paint all scientists as "kooks."

You and your asinine ChickenLittle rantings is what isn't worthy for discussion.  Most scientists DO know what the hell they're talking about. . .just not the ones that Al Gore and the History channel rely on for their "The World is Gonna Explode!!" crockumentaries.

Yes. . .it is possible that global warming caused by humans could melt the ice caps and raises the sea level.  Yes. . .it is possible that tomorrow a huge asteroid could smack the Earth and wipe out humanity.  It is also possible that I could go to sleep and not wake up. . .do I worry about it just because it is possible?  No.  That's irrational.

I'm all for doing things to help out the environment.  Hell, when I was in 8th grade that year learning about the miniscule amount of time humans have been around I did a fund raiser with my science class to donate money to save the rainforest.  However, Al Gore wants to go around and make asinine comments to give himself relevance in the eyes of the American people and make some cash while he's at it.  To suggest that because of human pollution the sea level is going to rise and flood all the coastal areas of America in TEN YEARS is bordering on criminal.  He's trying to foster a panic and it's ridiculous.  It's a lot like the cult leaders who say that aliens are going to end the world on such and such a day.  The day comes and goes with nothing happening and they just get even crazier and come up with even weirder excuses for why THAT day wasn't THE day. . .but THE day is really coming on so and so. 

Didn't all those same asshat scientists say that ALLLL the bad hurricanes last year were our fault, and that this year it was going to be 100x worse?  Whoops.  If they can't predict next year, I seriously doubt they can predict 10, 20, 100 years down the road.

Besides. . .who the fuck here thinks that people could stop polluting even if they wanted to?  Everyone isn't going to stop driving to work just so Al Gore will be happy that we're cutting the pollution output.  Besides, even if America quit today China and India and all the other developing nations will be replacing us and outdoing us.

So please. . .stop with that elitist fucking attitude and "do try" to stop sounding like a paranoid Al Gore copy cat clone.  Go reinvent the Internet or something and save us from having to listen to your nonsense.

Why don't you stop with your arrogant attitude instead and bring scientific facts?  Read National Geographic or watch Discovery Channel.  I don't give a shit for Al Gore, but he's right.  Scientists know we screwed weather conditions big time.  Bring a sicentific source that says the opposite.

Interesting that all the "experts" said it would be a bad hurricane season for the US, yet we did not even have one.

norge wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

So coz Al Gore or the UN are worried it isn't happening.  Very mature to say the leftist are making this up.
That's the thinking we need to change things for better.
The frequency of Ice Ages in Earth are 100.000 years.  The last one took place 10.000 years ago, and at this rate the next is going to happen in the next 500-800 years.  So, we didn't cause this?

guess you didnt read my entire post. MASSIVE HUMOUNOUS LIVE DESTROYING ICE AGES take place every 100,000 years. but ever 10,000 years theres a smaller one. its gonna happen no matter what, people arent making it up, but they are making up human impact on the enovironment.  in the past 100 years, with the growth of agriculture.

There wasn't a smaller Ice Age every 10.000 years.  What you are talking about are the Interglacial periods, very different from an Ice Age.  Interglacial periods indeed take place every 10.000 years, but they consist in a mild warmer average temperature and a short glaciers' retreat.  An Ice Age is when all the Earth surface is dominated by glaciers.

Last edited by sergeriver (2006-10-16 06:00:27)

sergeriver wrote:

usmarine2005 wrote:

Interesting that all the "experts" said it would be a bad hurricane season for the US, yet we did not even have one.

If you want to know when it's going to take place the next hurricane read this.  They're pretty accurate.

Yes.  I know that site well.  My point is, all theses "experts" are just, for a lack of better terms, guessing.  It may be and educated guess, but that is all it is.