Agent_Dung_Bomb
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+302|6991|Salt Lake City

kr@cker wrote:

there are so many millions of combustion engines out there it would take decades for any meaningful replacement to come to fruition, how would you go about refitting older vehicles? How does it's versatility compare to the ICE? For once someone finally addressed the range and horsepower issue (something most powercell proponents leave out do to there being a significant lack of each), but what about the high torque capacity of ICE's and diesels? Can you make one of these that can move a house without costing as much as one? For the immediate future, exploration and alternative fuels are the way to go, as the internal combustion engine is what makes the world go round. Even here at Robins the Air Force is hitting the synthetic experimentation rather heavily, with pleasing and cleaner results. You can watch two C-9's take off and tell which one uses JP-8 and which one uses synthetics as the JP-8 will leave a barely visible smoke trail, and the synthetic won't. This ceramic cell may eventually be the future, but it will be decades at best before it replaces conventional engines, whether ICE, diesel, or turbine.
For right now I don't think it would replace heavy commercial equipment, such as those that use diesels.  However, we do have an option for that, and it's bio-diesel.  It can be made from almost any kind of plant oils, and doesn't have the drawback of other ICE synthetic fuels, in that there is really no loss of power because the fuel doesn't contain as much energy (e.g. ethanol).

As for retrofitting older vehicles, you never know.  That could become a whole new industry, or simply add to existing industries that already offer similar services.

You're right that it won't be an overnight fix, but it is a good place to start.  The advantage over other fuels, such as ethanol, propane, or natural gas powered vehicles, is that there is no infrastructure problems.  Power is everywhere, and you wouldn't be limited to just being able to charge up a some type of fueling station.
kr@cker
Bringin' Sexy Back!
+581|6804|Southeastern USA
several people around here are getting into the whole biodiesel thing, simply sucking out McDonalds' greasetraps, but they still have to start the engine on standard diesel, that and the filtration/processing makes it kind of a pain in the ass
topal63
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+533|6973

kr@cker wrote:

several people around here are getting into the whole biodiesel thing, simply sucking out McDonalds' greasetraps, but they still have to start the engine on standard diesel, that and the filtration/processing makes it kind of a pain in the ass
America should declare a national "liposuction-day" imagine all the grease for biodiesel.
Agent_Dung_Bomb
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+302|6991|Salt Lake City

kr@cker wrote:

several people around here are getting into the whole biodiesel thing, simply sucking out McDonalds' greasetraps, but they still have to start the engine on standard diesel, that and the filtration/processing makes it kind of a pain in the ass
Well, bio-diesel isn't used straight, it's blended into standard diesel fuel, usually available in mixtures of 10%, or less common 20%.
cheshiremoe
Evil Geniuses for a sparsely populated tomorrow
+50|6964

PuckMercury wrote:

it will happen eventually.  It's just a matter of those with the means aligning themselves with those with the will and reconciling.  It will take a while, but it'll happen.  If the oil companies are REALLY smart, they'll use this technology themselves and morph their product offering.  Diversification.
I think that the oil companies will fight it tooth and nail because even if the did Diversify, they can't control the cost of electricity like they can oil and so they can't make wades of cash like they do with oil.

Oil and tire companies squashed the public train/subway system in LA and they will do everything they can to de-rail this technology.  There are plenty of ways to fuel a car and sooner or later one of them will catch on.

If these new Batteries are not huge then they have a chance to catch on, but they need to make them compatible with current car designs because the car companies will not make a new design for a technology that is not proven to sell in the market place( unless there is or will be a government mandate).

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