Yea thats the only reason I deployed. I begged and pleaded to go and finally they said yes. I got mine like a month after I got there.GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
that tax free sounds real good towards the end of a deployment. We had a guy in our company wait so long that by the time he reenlisted it was a day after we got back and he missed out on the no tax
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Well, yes and no. I trust that not everyone in our governemnt is not corrupt, I know a lot are. But at the same time, there are honest people in there too. And on top of that, there is SOOO much information that they WOULD NEVER and SHOULD NEVER tell us, that determines those descisions. I know that not one man alone, makes the descisions. Everyone loves to blame GW for everything, but if they truely believe that he is the end all be all descision maker, they have been grossly mislead.R3v0LuT!oN wrote:
I'm sorry but...wasn't our fine democracy founded on the idea that you can't trust government? Isn't that why we have voting, separation of powers, checks and balances, etc.? What good is democracy if we're just going to trust everything the government says like this is some kind of authoritarian regime?
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Sober enough to know what I'm doing, drunk enough to really enjoy doing it
could not have been more perfectly saidNot wrote:
QFT, and to expand....usmarine2005 wrote:
Hmmm....biggest idiot since this forum opened, and that is saying A LOT.cyborg_ninja-117 wrote:
Biggest idiot of the year I say.
On a side note, OUG, when I was stationed in Seattle, every week our unit would send about 5 or 6 Marines to this local grade school every Tuesday. (It is north of Silverdale for you Washington State folks) We would help the kids with their reading, we helped them improve their school by fixing up the playground and little projects like that. The kids absolutely loved us, and they would look forward to that day. I actually enjoyed it, and kids generally annoy the shit out of me.
As for why you need an M-16 for disaster relief....... if you remember New Orleans helicopters were being shot at and cops were being killed, so use your brain......if that is possible.
Typically for something like disaster relief, the military doesn't come in Apaches and Blackhawks locked and loaded to engage anyone. They're there to lend a hand.
God forbid that members of a standing army who aren't deployed go to do something else to help other people. That's kind of what it's all about. You'll understand when you pass 10th grade history.
On another note to the psychopaths who can't seem to understand why an army wouldn't do anything other than blowing shit up; Did it occur to you that natural disasters aren't exactly a weekly occurance? Would you like to employ 100,000 people, pay their salaries, and then sit on your ass for a year or two while they do nothing? There are organizations that provide FUNDING for these cleanups and relief, but the military are typically the first organization, along with the Red Cross etc. to show up with the BODIES TO DO THE WORK. Please, just stop thinking. Flatline immediately, we'll be so much better off.
On that same line of thought, every other job a serviceman does is the same way. It's work that they're paid to do while they're not fighting. And believe it or not, there aren't employers who are willing to pay a lot of extra people to do jobs that are only required to be done every few months.
Nice post, but I would strongly suggest that you ALWAYS support the troops. No ands ifs or buts, you always support the guys on the front line. These are the brave men that put their lives on the line. I think it's hard for you to understand the importance of that, regardless of political process . I remember my parents, from Europe, that had nothing but PRAISE for the American Army for saving them from the nazi's in WW 2. So many brave men that lost their lives to destroy those evil bastards. Regardless of calling, the men (and women) in uniform will ALWAYS have my support. That's my 2 cents.Ikarti wrote:
Well, this is really to all the posters here who have served in the military of late. I realize I've probably angered a number of you with my lack of support and outright hatred of the military. I'm done hating. It was an interesting forum gimmick and got a lot of interesting responses and was what I really felt. I was outraged at the behavior of a few soldiers that I had either encountered personally or heard about in the news. For all the support the country gives the troops, who are supposed to be the good guys, and then see a number of them involved in incidents like Haditha and the rape case, it's a betrayal.
I know I was raised to respect soldiers, I couldn't respect that. I also couldn't take the misperception of soldiers I'd met that my freedom was at stake in Iraq, or that we have to support the president no matter what, or hearing a general disregard for the Iraqis coupled with racial epithets, or that even though I have the freedom to say what I want I shouldn't be allowed to say certain things. The freedom thing really bugged me though, because I've had a personal experience in my life where I have had to fight for my freedom and rights, and I only had me to count on. There were no soldiers in sight.
In my own foolishness, I decided it would be easier to generalize. To those of who have served and post here, I extend my apology to most of you. Actually, I think there's only one person who I won't apologize to, and it isn't Usmarine2005. If they read this they can figure it out.
I do want to say though that I don't support the war and I honestly don't see the need to support the troops. I may change my mind on that, but I still can't. Though I will say, those of you who signed up because they wanted to serve the county, not because of money, not because of "Saddam did 9/11 and we're getting revenge," not because it's a chance to kill some Arabs, you have my support. It's an admirable thing to do, really.
This was sparked by the war stories thread. I was really impressed with how some of you refused to discuss it. I don't know how you feel about it, if you're comfortable with it or not, or if you're willing to talk about it elsewhere, but prudence was shown by not discussing it on a forum for a war video game populated with many teenagers that think war's a game and guns are toys.
The last thing I do want to stipulate that those of you who think torture is ok, or that an Arab life is worth any less than an American life, disregard this apology. This time though I will take issue with you as an individual, not a soldier.
I can understand if you don't accept this, I was way over the top on a lot of what I said. The hatred does nothing though, solves nothing. Take from this what you will. Thanks for reading.
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My unit was sent to New Orleans to help with the relief and rescue efforts and we were not issued weapons. The only military personel that had weapons were the Louisiana National Guard due to the fact that martial law was imposed and there were people shooting at rescue personel. My unit was tasked to help evacuate the refugees and to help rescue stranded civilians.GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
could not have been more perfectly saidNot wrote:
QFT, and to expand....usmarine2005 wrote:
Hmmm....biggest idiot since this forum opened, and that is saying A LOT.
On a side note, OUG, when I was stationed in Seattle, every week our unit would send about 5 or 6 Marines to this local grade school every Tuesday. (It is north of Silverdale for you Washington State folks) We would help the kids with their reading, we helped them improve their school by fixing up the playground and little projects like that. The kids absolutely loved us, and they would look forward to that day. I actually enjoyed it, and kids generally annoy the shit out of me.
As for why you need an M-16 for disaster relief....... if you remember New Orleans helicopters were being shot at and cops were being killed, so use your brain......if that is possible.
Typically for something like disaster relief, the military doesn't come in Apaches and Blackhawks locked and loaded to engage anyone. They're there to lend a hand.
God forbid that members of a standing army who aren't deployed go to do something else to help other people. That's kind of what it's all about. You'll understand when you pass 10th grade history.
On another note to the psychopaths who can't seem to understand why an army wouldn't do anything other than blowing shit up; Did it occur to you that natural disasters aren't exactly a weekly occurance? Would you like to employ 100,000 people, pay their salaries, and then sit on your ass for a year or two while they do nothing? There are organizations that provide FUNDING for these cleanups and relief, but the military are typically the first organization, along with the Red Cross etc. to show up with the BODIES TO DO THE WORK. Please, just stop thinking. Flatline immediately, we'll be so much better off.
On that same line of thought, every other job a serviceman does is the same way. It's work that they're paid to do while they're not fighting. And believe it or not, there aren't employers who are willing to pay a lot of extra people to do jobs that are only required to be done every few months.
Personally I dont care what anyone thinks. If you like it great, if you dont, great. My reasons for serving are none of anyones business. I will say, that being in the military has made my life and the life I provide for my family significantly better in many ways and levels. Not only that but I sleep better at night knowing that what I do, and the people around me are making the world a better place.
No. Trash like you, really aren't worth more than a few sentences.oug wrote:
What you say is true. But if what you mentioned above was their primary task then they shouldn't carry guns and they should not be trained how to kill at all. Just because it so happens that a nation's military is usefull in paramilitary situations does not mean they are not an army. No soldier aver joined so he can provide first aid, or help in case of a disaster. Those are tasks carried out on the side, if necessary.Pubic wrote:
A nation's military is typically it's largest trained, disciplined and deployable organisation. The threats a nation's military provides protection from need not be military.
Soldiers, besides being trained how to kill, are also trained in such things as first aid, large-scale food preparation and logistics, all essential components of any disaster relief effort. Not to mention that they're bloody fit! Short of having a specialist disaster-relief organisation, a nation's military is the best thing for the task. New Orleans ring a bell?
I for one am glad to know that should something serious happen here, the NZ army will help out if the need arises. Incidently, they provided catering for the recent funeral of the Maori queen. A couple of field kitchens, thousands of mourners...
PS: Cougar and Cyborg_ninja would you care to elaborate instead of talking trash? I thought not.
That's very nice what you did with the kids. But like I said, all these things occur on the side. It is not the military's first priority and you do not need to be in the military to do it. There are many organizations that will help children and the like.usmarine2005 wrote:
Hmmm....biggest idiot since this forum opened, and that is saying A LOT.cyborg_ninja-117 wrote:
Biggest idiot of the year I say.Cougar wrote:
You sir, win the award for biggest idiot of the week.
Actually, make that month. Come back to the forums when you move out of your parents house and get a job, because you obviously don't get out much.
On a side note, OUG, when I was stationed in Seattle, every week our unit would send about 5 or 6 Marines to this local grade school every Tuesday. (It is north of Silverdale for you Washington State folks) We would help the kids with their reading, we helped them improve their school by fixing up the playground and little projects like that. The kids absolutely loved us, and they would look forward to that day. I actually enjoyed it, and kids generally annoy the shit out of me.
As for why you need an M-16 for disaster relief....... if you remember New Orleans helicopters were being shot at and cops were being killed, so use your brain......if that is possible.
As far as New Orleans goes, well, I'm so bored of discussing the stupid situation you got going with guns in the US. In no other country would the people shoot at those who come to their rescue.
Note also that the military was involved as a last resort due to the government not handling the situation the way it should be handled (basically they don't give a fuck about N.O. and that's why cops were being killed, but that's also another story). Generally New Orleans is a bad example because the government failed or did not feel the need to act.
Calling me an idiot is easy (and fun sometimes). Try proving a point for a change.
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Do not accept Ikarti's apology. I've seen him post way too many times that he wants IED's to kill American soldiers and that he hopes for American soldiers to die. This is nothing but bullshit liberal sympathy to win everyones heart over.
That's good coming from someone who trolls more than I do.GeneralDodo wrote:
Do not accept Ikarti's apology. I've seen him post way too many times that he wants IED's to kill American soldiers and that he hopes for American soldiers to die. This is nothing but bullshit liberal sympathy to win everyones heart over.
liberals are trolls.
Have you ever been to Africa?...oug wrote:
As far as New Orleans goes, well, I'm so bored of discussing the stupid situation you got going with guns in the US. In no other country would the people shoot at those who come to their rescue.
Yes, there are many great service organizations in the world. The military is a multi-role service organization, whose primary mission is being able to conduct war. Are you upset that there are militaries, or are you just trying to incite another argument from members here?
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I actually didn't mean to bitchslap him at all. Not that I wouldn't like to bitchslap him silly, but I just wanted to poke him a bit. Anyone with more than 5 operational brain cells knows soldiers are also used to support civilian populations at home and abroad. Ugh, I woke up an hour ago feeling nauseous never had that before. Morning sickness... Maybe I should get myself one of them pregnancy tests...Bubbalo wrote:
Oooooh, Kmarion got bitchslapped by Rosse!
Oh, the irony.GeneralDodo wrote:
liberals are trolls.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman
Come on ikarti, you really said that and the best you can say is he trolls more? Are you related to fred phelps and his religious band of misfits?Ikarti wrote:
That's good coming from someone who trolls more than I do.GeneralDodo wrote:
Do not accept Ikarti's apology. I've seen him post way too many times that he wants IED's to kill American soldiers and that he hopes for American soldiers to die. This is nothing but bullshit liberal sympathy to win everyones heart over.
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I'd prefer to leave it at that in this thread. I'll go after his stupidity elsewhere.smtt686 wrote:
Come on ikarti, you really said that and the best you can say is he trolls more? Are you related to fred phelps and his religious band of misfits?Ikarti wrote:
That's good coming from someone who trolls more than I do.GeneralDodo wrote:
Do not accept Ikarti's apology. I've seen him post way too many times that he wants IED's to kill American soldiers and that he hopes for American soldiers to die. This is nothing but bullshit liberal sympathy to win everyones heart over.
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