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Poll

Would you consider/have engaged in premarital sex?

Yes, already been there and done that.66%66% - 209
Yes, I will if I get the chance to/grow up.18%18% - 59
Undecided, need to learn more.5%5% - 17
Definitely not, it's wrong.9%9% - 29
Total: 314
2006-10-10 10:01:51
kr@cker
Bringin' Sexy Back!
+581|6821|Southeastern USA
so long as your responsible about it, armour up you warrior so you don't turn into a wart dispenser or start popping off unsupported welfare checks......I mean babies left and right ( and yes, birth control is also a responsibility of the female), I don't see why not, rock out with your cock out


edit: that being said, I do believe cheating is disgusting and one of the lowest acts of humanity, I have never cheated on any of my gf's, and I would like to think that I never would, I have noticed a disturbing increase in the "solve your problems with infidelity" school of thought

Last edited by kr@cker (2006-10-10 10:04:12)

2006-10-10 10:03:05
Agent_Dung_Bomb
Member
+302|7008|Salt Lake City

IRONCHEF wrote:

I didn't say it could be.  I am saying that those who have the choice should maintain their virtue so as to offer the best wedding gift possible.  I wished I had done that.
Sorry dude, but essentially you did say that.

Anyway, abusing this procreative power outside of marriage, is just that..abuse of procreative power which should be reserved for married people having committed to be with each other forever.
Sex is not only about procreation.
2006-10-10 10:04:11
Colfax
PR Only
+70|6915|United States - Illinois

IRONCHEF wrote:

I didn't say it could be.  I am saying that those who have the choice should maintain their virtue so as to offer the best wedding gift possible.  I wished I had done that.
If you maintained yours but your wife didn't then what?

She has the expectations, she doesn't have the gift to give?

I bet if we did a survey on girls entering high school that have had ex of given some type of sexual act to someone the U.S. would be sickened by the results.

Some girls think that if the let guys do it from behind (if you know what i mean..not sure if thats forum appropriate) they are still 'virgins'?  What say that?  wrong in my opinion

Agent_Dung_Bomb wrote:

Sex is not only about procreation.
amen!!!!

Last edited by Colfax (2006-10-10 10:07:19)

2006-10-10 10:06:36
=ACE=TeX
Member
+5|6699|Dallas, TX
Indeed, I think that if these guys ( who are militant about your personal sexual freedom) knew how many people they were sexually linked to they wouldnt even care. Our society is crumbling like the Romans, first comes the affluence, then the corroding moral fabric and political checks and balances, then the breakdown of the family and commitment, then wonton "sexual freedom".....you history buffs know what is to come. And BTW I am pround to say that I am not an animal and as humans we should not liken ourselves to them. We are so much more complex and have the ability to choose between right and wrong, just and unjust, moral and immoral, love and lust. Make no mistake, there is no gray area.
2006-10-10 10:09:27
IRONCHEF
Member
+385|6762|Northern California

sergeriver wrote:

IRONCHEF wrote:

I didn't say it could be.  I am saying that those who have the choice should maintain their virtue so as to offer the best wedding gift possible.  I wished I had done that.
Do you cheat your wife?  No?  Are you a good father?  Yes?  Then who cares what you did before?
I'm not beating myself up about it.  And in a weird way it's fortunate that my wife likewise did not save herself before marriage either.  I care because I will never know what it was like to have given that gift.  Being somewhat religious and knowing second hand what that feeling is like, it is regrettable.  But again, i'm not mentioning that point because i think about it often, I'm just making the point in context of my opinion on the matter..that it should be reserved for marriage.  That's all.
2006-10-10 10:19:38
IRONCHEF
Member
+385|6762|Northern California

Agent_Dung_Bomb wrote:

IRONCHEF wrote:

I didn't say it could be.  I am saying that those who have the choice should maintain their virtue so as to offer the best wedding gift possible.  I wished I had done that.
Sorry dude, but essentially you did say that.

Anyway, abusing this procreative power outside of marriage, is just that..abuse of procreative power which should be reserved for married people having committed to be with each other forever.
Sex is not only about procreation.
How did what I said suggest that you can retroactively regain your virtue?  I don't see it.

True that sex is not just for procreation.  I probably should have added in my opinion that sex (the act of gittin busy) should likewise be reserved for marriage.  I realize that there's certain religious persons, and non-religious persons who have a certain religious belief that sex should only have one purpose..to make babies.  In my religious beliefs, God has given us these passions and parts for a purpose...and they are to be used within the bounds of marriage.

For all you unmarried people out there (99% men probably), imagine having one partner, who you've committed to be with forever...having kids, jobs, daily grind, etc...now imagine not having to go through the games and bs associated with trying to meet, manipulate, and have sex a girl!  Imagine just knowing that after the kids go to bed, the curtains can be drawn by one spouse, and the other knows exactly what that means.  No talking.  No games..no bs..just git nekid and git busy.  Imagine how experimental you can become with your wife and not be worried that your wife will break up with you because you got too kinky that one time in the living room under the table...  Can't do that with girl friends, let alone girls you just met.

I don't know about the rest of you, but when I see young men who are single/dating, etc...i get sad for them.  All the hassle you go through to meet girls, the games you play to keep them/get them, etc...then you still come home at the end of each day...alone.  Even some of you who live with girlfriends...must feel alone sometimes..of course you won't know the difference until you commit and get married.
2006-10-10 10:21:43
mKmalfunction
Infamous meleeKings cult. Est. 2003 B.C.
+82|6811|The Lost Highway

=ACE=TeX wrote:

Indeed, I think that if these guys ( who are militant about your personal sexual freedom) knew how many people they were sexually linked to they wouldnt even care. Our society is crumbling like the Romans, first comes the affluence, then the corroding moral fabric and political checks and balances, then the breakdown of the family and commitment, then wonton "sexual freedom".....you history buffs know what is to come. And BTW I am pround to say that I am not an animal and as humans we should not liken ourselves to them. We are so much more complex and have the ability to choose between right and wrong, just and unjust, moral and immoral, love and lust. Make no mistake, there is no gray area.
I totally respect your viewpoint, and IronChefs as well. But there was more to the collapse of Rome than their need for kinky wild orgies.

But in ways America has become way too sexual for the youth. Perfect example, all of the little teeny bopper girls in provocative clothes, etc. It's pretty disgusting. You even see it in advertising. I saw a commercial where 12 year old girls were having a Car Wash fight. The only other time I've watched girls have Car Wash fights, they were over the age of 18, and they all ended up naked and making out. (Yeah brah, I've got Cinemax.)

Another probelom is the good 'ol double standard. Dad can tell his son to bag as much poon as he can, but at the same time he tells his daughter to wait untill she's married, or she's dead.

When it comes down to it, everyones body is their own. If you want to share it, so be it. If you want to save it for one person, so be it.
2006-10-10 10:23:52
IRONCHEF
Member
+385|6762|Northern California

Colfax wrote:

IRONCHEF wrote:

I didn't say it could be.  I am saying that those who have the choice should maintain their virtue so as to offer the best wedding gift possible.  I wished I had done that.
If you maintained yours but your wife didn't then what?

She has the expectations, she doesn't have the gift to give?
Well, that kind of thing would work itself out in the courtship period.  I'm sure that if there's one virgin and one non-virgin engaged to be married, that's up to them to figure out.  I'd imagine that it's no big deal, though it would have been nice to offer such a gift.  Wouldn't you agree?

There's people getting married all the time with mixed virtues and equal virtues.  All I am saying is that if two people happen to have it when they get married, they'll likely have earned a greater appreciation for their sacrifice and a greater reward.  As for getting married being already "defiled," it's just going to give you a smoother honeymoon night..if you know what i mean.
2006-10-10 10:25:11
Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|6853|SE London

IRONCHEF wrote:

I didn't say it could be.  I am saying that those who have the choice should maintain their virtue so as to offer the best wedding gift possible.  I wished I had done that.
What, an awkward and unsatisfying couple of minutes. A bit of practice and I'm sure they'd be far more grateful. There's no way I'd marry someone I hadn't already slept with.

mKmalfunction wrote:

I ain't ever gettin' married, so premarital is the only option.
I used to think that. As I'm getting older I'm more interested in having a proper caring long term relationship with someone who I could possibly, in time, marry. Casual sex does definately get less and less satisfying and sex with someone you care about is almost always better. I've had unsatisfying one night stands and then sworn I'd never do that again. Only to do the exact same thing a month or two later out of desperation - but it's not as good.
2006-10-10 10:31:47
IRONCHEF
Member
+385|6762|Northern California

Bertster7 wrote:

What, an awkward and unsatisfying couple of minutes. A bit of practice and I'm sure they'd be far more grateful. There's no way I'd marry someone I hadn't already slept with.
Yeah, I used to think that until I've learned the contrary from friends.  It's not like they're unaware of what will happen after they get married.  If you think about it, what are two very horney fianceés talking about before they get married?  Exactly.  And I can also imagine they're going to be learning things from obvious sources prior so as to make things go smooth.

From experience, having defiled at least 2 girls before I was married, it's not that awkward at all.  My first was with a virgin too.  It's not like it is portrayed in movies where a girl is as tight as a drum.  If you've done alot of heavy petting/fondling, etc (aka "foreplay") there's no problem whatsoever..as long as you don't go buckwild and go invading places too quick.  (mods are getting sweaty reading this, i know..)

Anyway, that awkwardness on that honemoon night will easily be replaced and long forgotten once things start moving along.  Or so I've heard from people I know.

Last edited by IRONCHEF (2006-10-10 10:32:03)

2006-10-10 10:46:20
topal63
. . .
+533|6990
I love these types of threads - from an anthropological perspective - they are the funniest.

And keep going IRONCHEF, you are cracking me up - AGAIN!
2006-10-10 10:52:09
IRONCHEF
Member
+385|6762|Northern California

topal63 wrote:

I love these types of threads - from an anthropological perspective - they are the funniest.

And keep going IRONCHEF, you are cracking me up - AGAIN!
Yeah, i do make people laugh don't I.  Thanks for flattering me.  And how bout that anthropological perspective?
2006-10-10 10:56:05
kr@cker
Bringin' Sexy Back!
+581|6821|Southeastern USA

IRONCHEF wrote:

topal63 wrote:

I love these types of threads - from an anthropological perspective - they are the funniest.

And keep going IRONCHEF, you are cracking me up - AGAIN!
Yeah, i do make people laugh don't I.  Thanks for flattering me.  And how bout that anthropological perspective?
a sense of humor and modest too!!!



I'll let you ride the razor alone on this one, your doing a pretty good job of testing the descriptive edge without assistance
2006-10-10 11:02:09
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7029|Argentina

IRONCHEF wrote:

topal63 wrote:

I love these types of threads - from an anthropological perspective - they are the funniest.

And keep going IRONCHEF, you are cracking me up - AGAIN!
Yeah, i do make people laugh don't I.  Thanks for flattering me.  And how bout that anthropological perspective?
Although I don't share your opinions in some issues, specially this one Lol, I must admit you are one of my favorite persons in the forum.
2006-10-10 11:03:33
Stingray24
Proud member of the vast right-wing conspiracy
+1,060|6717|The Land of Scott Walker

IRONCHEF wrote:

Bertster7 wrote:

What, an awkward and unsatisfying couple of minutes. A bit of practice and I'm sure they'd be far more grateful. There's no way I'd marry someone I hadn't already slept with.
Yeah, I used to think that until I've learned the contrary from friends.  It's not like they're unaware of what will happen after they get married.  If you think about it, what are two very horney fianceés talking about before they get married?  Exactly.  And I can also imagine they're going to be learning things from obvious sources prior so as to make things go smooth.

From experience, having defiled at least 2 girls before I was married, it's not that awkward at all.  My first was with a virgin too.  It's not like it is portrayed in movies where a girl is as tight as a drum.  If you've done alot of heavy petting/fondling, etc (aka "foreplay") there's no problem whatsoever..as long as you don't go buckwild and go invading places too quick.  (mods are getting sweaty reading this, i know..)

Anyway, that awkwardness on that honemoon night will easily be replaced and long forgotten once things start moving along.  Or so I've heard from people I know.
Awkward and unsatisfying?  Speak for yourself, Berster!  I waited 10 years from when puberty started!  My wife and I were both virgins, but we weren't stupid. And yes we were two very horney fiancees.  We weren't experienced, but uur wedding night was great. Not as smooth as things go now, but hey.
2006-10-10 11:07:38
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7029|Argentina
Do you need a paper to give your virtue to the woman you love?  You can't fuck your girlfriend even if you love her?  I think you can fuck any woman you want if she wants too, there's no need for love.  If you love her better then.
2006-10-10 11:07:52
IRONCHEF
Member
+385|6762|Northern California
Much obliged serge.  I enjoy message boards and I enjoy being a unique voice where I can.  I am not the best at this type of thing, but i'm improving.  I like to see the various behaviors of people when they post.  Some are very smart people, some pretend they're smart, some are outstanding at saying alot of nothing, some say tons with just a few words.  Some say alot, period..like my longwinded ass that can't stop talking if I tried.
2006-10-10 11:11:40
ghettoperson
Member
+1,943|6921

Personally, I think it was a good idea before contraception was widescale, and people had about 34 kids, but nowadays, it doesn't really matter, and there is no need for it.
2006-10-10 11:14:21
Masques
Black Panzer Party
+184|6994|Eastern PA
Been there, done that. Had fun too.
2006-10-10 11:14:25
IRONCHEF
Member
+385|6762|Northern California

sergeriver wrote:

Do you need a paper to give your virtue to the woman you love?  You can't fuck your girlfriend even if you love her?  I think you can fuck any woman you want if she wants too, there's no need for love.  If you love her better then.
You can have sex with anyone you want, male, female, beasts, etc.  But if you have come to the understanding, perhaps as a learned moral, then you would probably want to reserve those passions until you've made the ultimate commitment.  It's not a common concept anymore, but it's still perfectly applicable and gratifying for those who understand and did it.

I have my opinions on love and lust, but I will not share them here for fear of the anti-religious monkeys swooping in on their brooms to ridicule and deride me.  But then, do I really give a crap?  No.

LOVE = A fruit of the spirit [galations 5:22)(translation: when two people commit themselves to each other selflessly, God blesses this union with a thing called "love."  There are varying degrees of love and as we grow older and experience it more, we learn that "love" we may have felt long ago for someone we dated was nothing compared to what you have now.  My feelings are that real love can only abide when two people are thus committed to each other selflessly)

LUST = counterfeit love, selfish, plenty of fun and pleasure, but it's yours alone.

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2006-10-10 11:15:03
mKmalfunction
Infamous meleeKings cult. Est. 2003 B.C.
+82|6811|The Lost Highway

IRONCHEF wrote:

Some are very smart people, some pretend they're smart, some are outstanding at saying alot of nothing, some say tons with just a few words.  Some say alot, period..
I think I'm all four of those 'people.'

Bertster7 wrote:

I used to think that. As I'm getting older I'm more interested in having a proper caring long term relationship with someone who I could possibly, in time, marry. Casual sex does definately get less and less satisfying and sex with someone you care about is almost always better. I've had unsatisfying one night stands and then sworn I'd never do that again. Only to do the exact same thing a month or two later out of desperation - but it's not as good.
Right on. Chicks hate me though, so I don't ever see one sticking around long enough to marry me.

Last edited by mKmalfunction (2006-10-10 11:16:12)

2006-10-10 11:20:38
topal63
. . .
+533|6990

IRONCHEF wrote:

You can have sex with anyone you want . . . beasts, etc.
LOL

Yes its just one big original lusty sin isn't it...

It is interesting how you introduce a red-herring concept (like many do) as part of you reasoning for un-reasoned "belief," "values," etc.

This thread is not about bestiality.
2006-10-10 11:24:54
IRONCHEF
Member
+385|6762|Northern California

topal63 wrote:

IRONCHEF wrote:

You can have sex with anyone you want . . . beasts, etc.
LOL

Yes its just one big original lusty sin isn't it...

It is interesting how you introduce a red-herring concept (like many do) as part of you reasoning for un-reasoned "belief," "values," etc.

This thread is not about bestiality.
No, what's interesting is that in two posts, you've failed to contribute to the debate and serious talk of this topic.  Will you continue to do so, or will you show how mature you are and add to.  In case you don't know to evolve is to add to what you have, not detract.  So how bout evolving this discussion instead of hijacking it and ruining it?  Try it, I promise you it won't hurt.
2006-10-10 11:31:18
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7029|Argentina

IRONCHEF wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

Do you need a paper to give your virtue to the woman you love?  You can't fuck your girlfriend even if you love her?  I think you can fuck any woman you want if she wants too, there's no need for love.  If you love her better then.
You can have sex with anyone you want, male, female, beasts, etc.  But if you have come to the understanding, perhaps as a learned moral, then you would probably want to reserve those passions until you've made the ultimate commitment.  It's not a common concept anymore, but it's still perfectly applicable and gratifying for those who understand and did it.

I have my opinions on love and lust, but I will not share them here for fear of the anti-religious monkeys swooping in on their brooms to ridicule and deride me.  But then, do I really give a crap?  No.

LOVE = A fruit of the spirit [galations 5:22)(translation: when two people commit themselves to each other selflessly, God blesses this union with a thing called "love."  There are varying degrees of love and as we grow older and experience it more, we learn that "love" we may have felt long ago for someone we dated was nothing compared to what you have now.  My feelings are that real love can only abide when two people are thus committed to each other selflessly)

LUST = counterfeit love, selfish, plenty of fun and pleasure, but it's yours alone.
I prefer female, beasts are quite dangerous and male well, it's bad for your ass.  Anyway, my point is, you admitted you did it before you were married, then your love for your wife would be different if you'd have waited?
2006-10-10 11:36:05
IRONCHEF
Member
+385|6762|Northern California

sergeriver wrote:

Anyway, my point is, you admitted you did it before you were married, then your love for your wife would be different if you'd have waited?
Oh no, I don't think my love for her was diminished at all because of what I/we did before being married.  If it would be different, we'd never know! lol

Also, to clarify, I was saying that if you can bring your virtue to the alter of marriage and offer that gift, it's not a measure of love necessarily.  It would be a measure of devotion and committment.  It's not like you know who you're going to marry as you reserve your virtue.  You're just reserving it because one day, you'd like to offer ALL of you to your spouse.  Sure would have been nice.  I admire those with that dedication and self mastery.

 

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