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haha zing!!King_County_Downy wrote:
KEN-JENNINGS is the only man with the answers to this question.
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Yahtzee!King_County_Downy wrote:
KEN-JENNINGS is the only man with the answers to this question.
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Cruel bastard. I just hope you get caught wrongfully for some crime and face the same appeals.Sondernkommando wrote:
What's better than that - countries where you can appeal your conviction and then get sentenced to an even harsher sentence.
In Brazil three men were sentenced to life imprisonment for murder, appealed the conviction, were re-found guilty and this time sentenced to death.
THAT is how the appeals system should work. Ya pays yer money, ya takes yer chances.
I agree. In this case the defendant had confessed.samfink wrote:
the double jeopardy laws were a little silly. basically, this is how it should work: if you are found not guilty, and evidence comes to light that shopws you are in fact guilty, then they should be able to send you to trial again. if they are re-hashing the SAME case, or the same case with trivial extra evidence, and so are simply trying to pressure you, then the case is thrown otu once it becoems clear, and conpensation for time wasted is paid. (note, only the money they would have got for the time if they were at work, i.e. if they had to take time off work, they are paid compensation for losing their time, say, the amount that the company would pay in lieu of takign the leave? the ratiopnale for that is that as the prosecutors have forced you to lose leave, then they should pay the rate for those lost days. i'm not thinkin millions of pounds, just a couple of thousand pounds, only going to millions if the case drags on. ) the money is paid by the prosecutors, not the courts. and the same shoudl apply for appeals, if you want to re-hash your case, then you must pay a penalty depending on how long the case lasst 9 defined as how long until a judge would spot you are simoply re-hashing your case, NOT when it actually ends, to stop judges dragging it on to penalise the guilty person) that is roughly £2000 per day you re-hash your case for. if you present new significant evidence, however, then you do not have to pay a penalty.
Thats a great idea. Then the courts don't get clogged up with crap appeals cases.Sondernkommando wrote:
What's better than that - countries where you can appeal your conviction and then get sentenced to an even harsher sentence.
In Brazil three men were sentenced to life imprisonment for murder, appealed the conviction, were re-found guilty and this time sentenced to death.
THAT is how the appeals system should work. Ya pays yer money, ya takes yer chances.
Damn straight!Jenkinsbball wrote:
Retry OJ then. That fucking coward needs to burn in the electric chair.
Because everyone has a right to a trial, got to keep everything fair. They can still try to get a lighter sentence and explain themselves, that's what guilty pleas are all about.samfink wrote:
I know. as an aside, why do you even need a trial when there has been a confession? surely the most that needs to be done is a psychiatric eveluation of the person to ame sure they are in their right mind, and a check to make sure there was no torture etc. involved in the giving of the confession, and finally, checking that it was actaully by the defendant? if it seems they confessed of their own free will, then why a trial? surely it would only be throwing money after someone who'se already goign to be convicted.
Yes, you cannot be tried twice in the US.Bertster7 wrote:
Damn straight!Jenkinsbball wrote:
Retry OJ then. That fucking coward needs to burn in the electric chair.
Is double jeopardy a law in the US though?
I think it's good that you could get harsher sentences through the appeals process. But I don't agree with the death penalty.Colfax wrote:
Thats a great idea. Then the courts don't get clogged up with crap appeals cases.Sondernkommando wrote:
What's better than that - countries where you can appeal your conviction and then get sentenced to an even harsher sentence.
In Brazil three men were sentenced to life imprisonment for murder, appealed the conviction, were re-found guilty and this time sentenced to death.
THAT is how the appeals system should work. Ya pays yer money, ya takes yer chances.
Because there can be reasons for the defendant to willingly lie for fear of their life or worse outside consequences. Miranda rights, habeas corpus and the 5th Amendment are very important aspects of our constitution.samfink wrote:
I know. as an aside, why do you even need a trial when there has been a confession? surely the most that needs to be done is a psychiatric eveluation of the person to ame sure they are in their right mind, and a check to make sure there was no torture etc. involved in the giving of the confession, and finally, checking that it was actaully by the defendant? if it seems they confessed of their own free will, then why a trial? surely it would only be throwing money after someone who'se already goign to be convicted.
Last edited by jonsimon (2006-10-06 13:13:39)
Tell that to the Gitmo detainees.jonsimon wrote:
Because there can be reasons for the defendant to willing lie for fear of their life or worse outside consequences. Miranda rights, habeas corpus and the 5th Amendment are very important aspects of our constitution.samfink wrote:
I know. as an aside, why do you even need a trial when there has been a confession? surely the most that needs to be done is a psychiatric eveluation of the person to ame sure they are in their right mind, and a check to make sure there was no torture etc. involved in the giving of the confession, and finally, checking that it was actaully by the defendant? if it seems they confessed of their own free will, then why a trial? surely it would only be throwing money after someone who'se already goign to be convicted.
WTF? Jonsimon is from the US?jonsimon wrote:
Because there can be reasons for the defendant to willingly lie for fear of their life or worse outside consequences. Miranda rights, habeas corpus and the 5th Amendment are very important aspects of our constitution.
We still have Double Jeopardy laws, and I think it's a good thing.King_County_Downy wrote:
KEN-JENNINGS is the only man with the answers to this question.
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Last edited by KEN-JENNINGS (2006-10-06 15:03:47)
I don't agree. With double jeopardy laws a criminal can be found not guilty and then go out and boast about the crimes he has commited and be immune from prosecution. Surely that's wrong.KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
We still have Double Jeopardy laws, and I think it's a good thing.King_County_Downy wrote:
KEN-JENNINGS is the only man with the answers to this question.
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