Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6850|132 and Bush

BAGHDAD (AFP) - Western
Iraq's powerful sheikhs have launched an offensive against foreign Al-Qaeda extremists on their territory, they have said, in an important victory for the US-backed government.
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"The operation is on!" said Sheikh Abdel Sattar Baziya, head of the Abu Risha clan and chair of the Anbar province tribal council.

"The sons of Anbar's tribes today captured three Saudis, two Syrians and three Iraqi teenagers and turned them over to police," he told AFP Friday.

This is not the first time that Anbar province's Sunni tribes have pledged to turn over the Sunni insurgents in their midst, but US officers are privately delighted that they now seem to be making good on their promise.

The supposed leader of Al-Qaeda in Iraq, Abu Ayyub al-Muhajer, tacitly confirmed this Thursday in an Internet plea for Iraqi tribesmen to rejoin his forces in their battle with the "infidels".

"I tell those who stood by the betrayers and sold out their religion and honor in this blessed month: today we offer you a full amnesty," he said, inadvertently revealing the effectiveness of the new tribal coalition.

Anbar province's fractious tribes have in the past often assured US forces that they could take care of the Sunni extremists and foreign fighters ravaging the desert province -- thus far to little effect.

Baziya told AFP that they had lost their patience with the "killing and corruption in the province which is unequalled in the rest of the world".

On Wednesday, the tribes met with Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki and agreed to cooperate on security in lawless Anbar, the province which accounts for the majority of US casualties in Iraq.

"We agreed to enroll as many of the tribesmen in the police and army as possible," said Baziya. "We proposed to the government projects to save the province."

US military officials are careful not to damage the tribal leaders' credibility by publicly hailing their contribution, but are privately crowing about the alliance which they say has already made a difference.

While US forces in Ramadi have declined the tribes' request for more arms, they do welcome their members into the Iraqi police.

Baziya gave a litany of Al-Qaeda crimes in Anbar, including robbing banks, driving out humanitarian organizations, killing journalists, preying on travelers and interrupting oil supplies.

According to Captain Travis Patriquin of the 1st Armored Division, stationed in Ramadi and involved in talks with the tribes, what really tipped the scale, however, was the assassination of a tribal sheikh in August.

"Their decision to confront those who don't want any good for Anbar province evokes the admiration and appreciation of all Iraqis," said the prime minister after Wednesday's meeting.

There was similar excitement in government and coalition circles in December when a similar tribal council came together and made similar promises to oppose as Al-Qaeda and sending recruits into the police services.

That particular alliance received a massive blow in January when a suicide bomber killed 70 tribal police recruits in Ramadi and was finally put to rest when one by one the more vocal tribal leaders were intimidated or killed.

Recruits to the police forces evaporated, Al-Qaeda returned in force and violence soon hit new levels.

"These initiatives have failed to date because of the tribes' unreliability and ambivalence," Peter Harling, an expert on Anbar's tribes with the International Crisis Group, told AFP at the time.

Coalition forces in Anbar, however, are convinced that this time is for real with a new, more aggressive US army unit now in Ramadi and many more Iraqi troops, said Lieutenant Colonel Bryan Salas, the marine public affairs officer in Anbar, who described it as "irreversible momentum".

One coalition intelligence official said that the difference now is that the tribesmen realize that they cannot confront Al-Qaeda on their own.

He too, however, acknowledged the fickle nature of Anbar's tribes, which tend to put their own interests well above those of any particular nation or ideal.

"Let's face it, there are Anbar tribes that are settling old scores. There are Anbar guys who are basically looking to re-establish order," he said.

"There are folks who are out there basically looking to basically rearm themselves for a variety of purposes," he added. "The motivations here are not pure and you've got to work your way through this process."

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Ikarti
Banned - for ever.
+231|6958|Wilmington, DE, US
A lot of the Iraqis have been tired of Al-Qaeda's shit for awhile. Time had a good article on it within the past year.
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7006|Argentina
Wasn't there a link between Iraq and al Qaeda?  I don't get it.  Now they're fighting al Qaeda.  Well, those Iraqis should decide what to do, so GWB gets his information right.
unnamednewbie13
Moderator
+2,053|7021|PNW

Oh no. No, no, no, no, no. Guns are bad. The US has guns. The US is bad. Don't give Iraqis guns or they'll be bad too.
Capt. Foley
Member
+155|6837|Allentown, PA, USA

sergeriver wrote:

Wasn't there a link between Iraq and al Qaeda?  I don't get it.  Now they're fighting al Qaeda.  Well, those Iraqis should decide what to do, so GWB gets his information right.
Are you that stupid? There was thought to be a relationship between the Bath party and Al Qaeda which was wrong(dont wanna piss any liberals off here). Iraq does NOT equal the Bath party idiot.
usmarine
Banned
+2,785|7011

Capt. Foley wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

Wasn't there a link between Iraq and al Qaeda?  I don't get it.  Now they're fighting al Qaeda.  Well, those Iraqis should decide what to do, so GWB gets his information right.
Are you that stupid? There was thought to be a relationship between the Bath party and Al Qaeda which was wrong(dont wanna piss any liberals off here). Iraq does NOT equal the Bath party idiot.
lolz....nice.
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7006|Argentina

Capt. Foley wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

Wasn't there a link between Iraq and al Qaeda?  I don't get it.  Now they're fighting al Qaeda.  Well, those Iraqis should decide what to do, so GWB gets his information right.
Are you that stupid? There was thought to be a relationship between the Bath party and Al Qaeda which was wrong(dont wanna piss any liberals off here). Iraq does NOT equal the Bath party idiot.
Save the insults for yourself.  Where did I say that they were the same?  And when did I let you talk me that way?  You are trying to cover the BS your beloved GWB said.

Last edited by sergeriver (2006-09-30 17:30:40)

ATG
Banned
+5,233|6778|Global Command
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Ty
Mass Media Casualty
+2,398|7024|Noizyland

Um, I don't want to close this, so try and keep the petty insults to yourself. Sergeriver, you've been here long enough to know that the Debate and Serious Talk section is full of people calling other people stupid idiots, so get used to it.

That being said Capt. Foley, try and agrue the point and just keep all insults to yourself please.
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Masques
Black Panzer Party
+184|6971|Eastern PA
Something similar happened in Afghanistan during the Afghan-Soviet War, the native tribes, while devout Muslims, were far, far less radical than the imported fighters from the Arab world.

Until the end of said war and with the rise of the Taliban, many of the more isolated mountainous areas of Afghanistan had mixed Hindu/Islamic populations (what with tribal and family ties being stronger than religion in the area). Sadly, the Taliban did away with all that.
[RDH]Warlord
Quakecon Attendee
+17|6908|SLC, Utah, USA
There was no link between A-Q and Iraq, back in 2002 when it was the reason for going to war.  Now that the US, sadly, cannot handle this other country, A-Q was free to enter Iraq and strike at the US, with sympathetic neighbors, without traveling half-way around the world in elaborate schemes to hit us.
Capt. Foley
Member
+155|6837|Allentown, PA, USA

sergeriver wrote:

Capt. Foley wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

WASN'T THERE A LINK BETWEEN IRAQ AND AL QAEDA?  I don't get it.  Now they're fighting al Qaeda.  Well, those Iraqis should decide what to do, so GWB gets his information right.
Are you that stupid? There was thought to be a relationship between the Bath party and Al Qaeda which was wrong(dont wanna piss any liberals off here). Iraq does NOT equal the Bath party idiot.
Save the insults for yourself.  Where did I say that they were the same?  And when did I let you talk me that way?  You are trying to cover the BS your beloved GWB said.
I think you said it in that quote dumbass.
Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|6924|Canberra, AUS

Capt. Foley wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

Capt. Foley wrote:


Are you that stupid? There was thought to be a relationship between the Bath party and Al Qaeda which was wrong(dont wanna piss any liberals off here). Iraq does NOT equal the Bath party idiot.
Save the insults for yourself.  Where did I say that they were the same?  And when did I let you talk me that way?  You are trying to cover the BS your beloved GWB said.
I think you said it in that quote dumbass.
So much for the 'keep your insults to yourself
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
kr@cker
Bringin' Sexy Back!
+581|6798|Southeastern USA
http://theotheriraq.com/

something else you'll never see referenced on CNN
Bubbalo
The Lizzard
+541|6810

Capt. Foley wrote:

I think you said it in that quote dumbass.
No, he said nothing about them being one and the same.  For example, I could say that the US has ties to Britain.  That doesn't mean I'm saying that the US and Republicans are one and the same.

I also find it funny that after a mod politely asks you to be a little less abrasive you continue..............
kr@cker
Bringin' Sexy Back!
+581|6798|Southeastern USA

[RDH]Warlord wrote:

There was no link between A-Q and Iraq, back in 2002 when it was the reason for going to war.  Now that the US, sadly, cannot handle this other country, A-Q was free to enter Iraq and strike at the US, with sympathetic neighbors, without traveling half-way around the world in elaborate schemes to hit us.
I'm just burning up this link this weekend

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