ATG
Banned
+5,233|6778|Global Command
RE:     This thread.
It's easy for you to pass judgement on Bush, but I invite you to examine his predessor and remember that his wife is drunk with and lusting for that power. You that look at Bill Clinton as some sort of ideal president obviously need to examine some facts. So here is a collection;


[google]http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7452760887349660970&q=clinton+lied&hl=en[/google]    WARNING war victims
Lying liars and the lies they tell kill too.
Crackpot leftist news cites experts on WMD's before the war
The following, taken from  http://cns.miis.edu/research/wmdme/iraq.htm  , certainly appears to paint the invasion in a bad light, unless you realize it was totally updated  and you have to get to the fine print;
This chart summarizes data available from public sources. Precise assessment of Iraq's capabilities is difficult because most weapons of mass destruction (WMD) programs remained secret and cannot be verified independently. Although inspections by UNSCOM and the IAEA's Iraq Action Team provided detailed information about past Iraqi programs, assessing Iraq's capabilities prior to Operation Iraqi Freedom in March 2003 was difficult due to its policies of denial and deception, and the departure of UNSCOM inspectors in November 1998. Since Operation Iraqi Freedom and the subsequent departure of the Ba'ath Party from Iraq, such discrepancies have been elucidated through the investigation of the Iraq Survey Group, which since consolidated all findings related to WMD in Iraq in the Comprehensive Report of the Special Advisor to the Director of Central Intelligence in Iraq's WMD.
So wtf happened to the big bad WMD's?

Point is nobody knew what he was doing but everybody thought it was wrong and now, because W went in there, we know.

Now, lets stop with the Clinton love and the Bush hate and begin to plot the end of the two party system.
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7006|Argentina
Change the letters, it's too blurry.  You republicans are really obsessed with Clinton.  I can't deny or confirm any of these statements, that would say any politician.

Last edited by sergeriver (2006-09-30 11:53:30)

kr@cker
Bringin' Sexy Back!
+581|6798|Southeastern USA
as opposed to your obsession with bush?

I can't wait til bill's the first lady
ghettoperson
Member
+1,943|6898

kr@cker wrote:

as opposed to your obsession with bush?

I can't wait til bill's the first lady
Would he become First Gentleman? Or something.
-OGz-Badge
Member
+8|6692
I don't like Clinton and though he was a horrible president however  Jimmy Carter was the worst president ever...but to hear people talk about republicans and their obsession with Clinton. Get real you are all the ones that come on here and beat on Bush. That is typical of a liberal no ideas just hate.
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6850|132 and Bush

People often forget Clinton attacked Iraq in December 1998 also.
Bill Clinton:Earlier today, I ordered America's armed forces to strike military and security targets in Iraq. They are joined by British forces. Their mission is to attack Iraq's nuclear, chemical and biological weapons programs and its military capacity to threaten its neighbors.

Clinton: Iraq has abused its last chance
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/middle_e … 12-16.html
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sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7006|Argentina

-OGz-Badge wrote:

I don't like Clinton and though he was a horrible president however  Jimmy Carter was the worst president ever...but to hear people talk about republicans and their obsession with Clinton. Get real you are all the ones that come on here and beat on Bush. That is typical of a liberal no ideas just hate.
Worse than Bush? Wow he sucked big time.
kr@cker
Bringin' Sexy Back!
+581|6798|Southeastern USA
carter is actually a short drive away from me, he's such an embarassment no one around here ever talks about him, we'll go to bat for the born-again democrat Zell Miller anyday

not the whole thing, but the best parts, if you can get the whole thing i suggest it, his was the first time I ever got goosebumps from hearing someone speak

I hate jon stewart, but here are some excerpts from the chris matthews interview in which matthews repeatedly cut off zell everytime he started to make sense, I'll see if I can find the whole thing somewhere too



edit:
keep in mind zell is a marine


"if you're going to ask a question, step back and let me answer"

zell is an old timer that remember's when the dem's were about protection rather than appeasement

Last edited by kr@cker (2006-09-30 12:37:06)

sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7006|Argentina
I really think Jon Stewart is funny, and I don't say that becuase he's liberal.  Why do you hate him?
kr@cker
Bringin' Sexy Back!
+581|6798|Southeastern USA
cuz i saw half-baked and want my money back


basically because he has a habit of cutting and splicing tape of these political hot topics to suit his own needs and most people are naive enough to treat him as a legitimate news outlet, when at best he's an editorialist
{BMF}*Frank_The_Tank
U.S. > Iran
+497|6827|Florida
I think Stewart is funny, regardless of his political preference.
jonsimon
Member
+224|6744
Clinton is out of office for good. Stop fucking obsessing over him to dsitract from the shitty president in office currently.
N.A.T.O
The People’s Champion
+59|6689|A drop house

kr@cker wrote:

cuz i saw half-baked and want my money back
Rolf
usmarine
Banned
+2,785|7011

jonsimon wrote:

Clinton is out of office for good. Stop fucking obsessing over him to dsitract from the shitty president in office currently.
I may have gotten an STD from a Taiwanese prostitute years ago, but I am still feeling the effects.
{BMF}*Frank_The_Tank
U.S. > Iran
+497|6827|Florida

Kmarion wrote:

People often forget Clinton attacked Iraq in December 1998 also.
Bill Clinton:Earlier today, I ordered America's armed forces to strike military and security targets in Iraq. They are joined by British forces. Their mission is to attack Iraq's nuclear, chemical and biological weapons programs and its military capacity to threaten its neighbors.

Clinton: Iraq has abused its last chance
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/middle_e … 12-16.html
Thats actually a good article, I didnt remember that he had done that.  But, in 1998, I was in.....7th or 8th grade, so I wouldnt have really paid attention to it.  Im guessing its legit, due to the fact its on the PBS website.
Spearhead
Gulf coast redneck hippy
+731|6939|Tampa Bay Florida

usmarine2005 wrote:

jonsimon wrote:

Clinton is out of office for good. Stop fucking obsessing over him to dsitract from the shitty president in office currently.
I may have gotten an STD from a Taiwanese prostitute years ago, but I am still feeling the effects.
Or, that may be because you've been drinking 5 cans of beer and eating 2 pounds of bacon everyday since you got the STD.

His point?  Crying about it now won't do crap.  The right wing is in charge of the country at this point.  And everytime someone criticizes them because of their shitty planning, you bring up the fact that Clinton made mistakes too.  Wow.  Good job.  Get over it.
Spearhead
Gulf coast redneck hippy
+731|6939|Tampa Bay Florida
BTW-

to Kmarion

Attacking Iraq, and invading it and dismantling it's government is a huge difference.  A lot of people haven't forgotten, Clinton attacked, so what?  Bush just didn't attack, he invaded, and has been occupying the country ever since.  Big diff. there.
usmarine
Banned
+2,785|7011

Spearhead wrote:

usmarine2005 wrote:

jonsimon wrote:

Clinton is out of office for good. Stop fucking obsessing over him to dsitract from the shitty president in office currently.
I may have gotten an STD from a Taiwanese prostitute years ago, but I am still feeling the effects.
Or, that may be because you've been drinking 5 cans of beer and eating 2 pounds of bacon everyday since you got the STD.

His point?  Crying about it now won't do crap.  The right wing is in charge of the country at this point.  And everytime someone criticizes them because of their shitty planning, you bring up the fact that Clinton made mistakes too.  Wow.  Good job.  Get over it.
Oh...ok.  Sorry.
The_Shipbuilder
Stay the corpse
+261|6749|Los Angeles

usmarine2005 wrote:

jonsimon wrote:

Clinton is out of office for good. Stop fucking obsessing over him to dsitract from the shitty president in office currently.
I may have gotten an STD from a Taiwanese prostitute years ago, but I am still feeling the effects.
Before you take the easy route and blame it on a chick you slept with 6 years ago, I'd have the current girlfriend tested.

We know she's a slut, because she's screwed all of us many, many times.

Ah, but you're madly in love with her, and love blinds you from your lover's flaws, however terrible and destructive they may be.
Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|6830|SE London

Nothing wrong with attacking Iraq. It's the expensive, destabilising invading I'm against. It can't be denied that the invasion of Iraq has created more terrorism, an attack would not have done so.
jonsimon
Member
+224|6744

The_Shipbuilder wrote:

usmarine2005 wrote:

jonsimon wrote:

Clinton is out of office for good. Stop fucking obsessing over him to dsitract from the shitty president in office currently.
I may have gotten an STD from a Taiwanese prostitute years ago, but I am still feeling the effects.
Before you take the easy route and blame it on a chick you slept with 6 years ago, I'd have the current girlfriend tested.

We know she's a slut, because she's screwed all of us many, many times.

Ah, but you're madly in love with her, and love blinds you from your lover's flaws, however terrible and destructive they may be.
Truely a master of the extended metaphor lol +1 man.

Edit: Er, if I hadn't +1 already today that is.

Last edited by jonsimon (2006-09-30 15:08:49)

Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6850|132 and Bush

sergeriver wrote:

I really think Jon Stewart is funny, and I don't say that becuase he's liberal.  Why do you hate him?
He is funny.
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ghettoperson
Member
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Will someone answer my question about the First Gentleman?
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6850|132 and Bush

ghettoperson wrote:

Will someone answer my question about the First Gentleman?
That is correct.
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ATG
Banned
+5,233|6778|Global Command

Spearhead wrote:

BTW-

to Kmarion

Attacking Iraq, and invading it and dismantling it's government is a huge difference.  A lot of people haven't forgotten, Clinton attacked, so what?  Bush just didn't attack, he invaded, and has been occupying the country ever since.  Big diff. there.
We weren't occupying Iraq the entire time Clinton was in office?
What do you think the no fly zone meant? It meant we were there enforcing the U.N.'s resolutions.

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