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When it's your duty to protect a country and you're in office and the country on it's own soil gets attacked. You Fail, it doesn't matter oh clinton could have taken him down it's all Clintons fault, blah blah blah. I don't care how many things pass Bush's desk and if the memo was on a sticky note saying, Attack on 9/11. You look into that, I love the spin into this is "Clinton's Fault" it makes no sense at all. Grow a freaken brain..

Last edited by cpt.fass1 (2006-09-29 09:15:53)

sergeriver wrote:

kr@cker wrote:

as opposed to your infallible sources? who? a bunch of out of work stand-up comedians like Al Franken, Jon Stewart, Janeane Garofalo, and Bill Maher?

Is Richard Clarke a comedian?
BBC?
CBS?

I tend to find myself laughing at them...

Last edited by messfeeder (2006-09-29 09:24:52)

kr@cker wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

kr@cker wrote:

as opposed to your infallible sources? who? a bunch of out of work stand-up comedians like Al Franken, Jon Stewart, Janeane Garofalo, and Bill Maher?

Is Richard Clarke a comedian?
BBC?
CBS?

the more he (Clarke) speaks, the funnier his monday morning quarterbacking gets, BBC is an outright joke, wasn't it BBC that first decided to refuse to use the words "suicide bomber" and "terrorist", as for CBS see "rathergate"

and that wasn't a jab about using ain't, it's slang most identified with where I live and I was just curious

So, name a reliable source.

kr@cker wrote:

cpt.fass1 wrote:

When it's your duty to protect a country and you're in office and the country on it's own soil gets attacked. You Fail, it doesn't matter oh Clinton could have taken him down it's all Clinton's fault, blah blah blah. I don't care how many things pass Bush's desk and if the memo was on a sticky note saying, Attack on 9/11. You look into that, I love the spin into this is "Clinton's Fault" it makes no sense at all. Grow a freak en brain..

I see what you're saying and agree on that, but the info was incredibly vague, considering that everyday a threat is made to the US, and it still doesn't completely absolve Clinton from failing to take action all the opportunities he had, nor does it absolve him from the fact that it was his policy to keep the Intel agencies from talking to each other, basically they all had enough info to figure out what the attack was, but were not allowed to share to see the whole picture

My whole point is that it was a massive fuck up in our government. I"m not absolving anyone, and this shouldn't even be an issue. The only reason it's being raised is it's an election year, and everyone is trying to make there party clear of this atrocities.. Clinton isn't even a player right now and the Republican's are trying to scapegoat him to get more votes, and the Dems are trying to totally push it on the Republican party and point out how they failed us. Where Us as American's need to focus on future issues and worry about other things then protection. Which 5/10 our government fails us on anyway..

Last edited by cpt.fass1 (2006-09-29 09:35:16)

Fox News is the only reliable source. That and World Net Daily.

usmarine2005 wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

So, name a reliable source.

No such thing.  We are only allowed to know what they want us to know.......the same goes for Richard Clarkes book.

Yes that and the weeklyworldnew as well

Aenima_Eyes wrote:

usmarine2005 wrote:

Aenima_Eyes wrote:

Here Mr. Bush. . .we had 8 years to get shit done and we had better things to do.  Now, we're gonna leave you this memo so if and when the shit hits the fan everyone will blame you.  Cheerio!

QFT

8 years of terrorist attacks all over the world.  And while we steal the furniture, here is a poorly written memo.

HAHAHA!  So true!  Didn't Bill and Hillary nab the silverware too? 

The only thing I have to ask DICK Clarke is this. . .if the threat was SOOOOOOOO great at that time and you knew SOOOOOOOOO much about it. . .why only a memo, sir?  Why didn't you hold press conferences then?  Why didn't you storm into the Oval Office and demand to be heard?  If you KNEW American lives were in grave danger why didn't you do more than type up a piece of paper?

Probly because he wasnt allowed due to the sensitive nature of the information. Its obvious you've never held a job where information security was important. And to the rest of you, must be nice to be so blissfully ignorant. I, like a REAL American can see the faults with every president with an unbiased eye. Clinton wasnt perfect. But the fact that he owns up to it while Bush supposedly can do no wrong speaks volumes to the difference. But hey, most of you morons are gonna keep supporting him and the repubs as they continue to pull the economy out from under your feet and had your job to some illegal who will do it for 1/2 the price.

Its truly sad when even cold hard fact is usless...but what else to expect from the rocket scientist who still buy there was wmd in iraq... silly red states.

Last edited by golgoj4 (2006-09-29 10:01:48)

golgoj4 wrote:

Aenima_Eyes wrote:

usmarine2005 wrote:

QFT

8 years of terrorist attacks all over the world.  And while we steal the furniture, here is a poorly written memo.

HAHAHA!  So true!  Didn't Bill and Hillary nab the silverware too? 

The only thing I have to ask DICK Clarke is this. . .if the threat was SOOOOOOOO great at that time and you knew SOOOOOOOOO much about it. . .why only a memo, sir?  Why didn't you hold press conferences then?  Why didn't you storm into the Oval Office and demand to be heard?  If you KNEW American lives were in grave danger why didn't you do more than type up a piece of paper?

Probly because he wasnt allowed due to the sensitive nature of the information. Its obvious you've never held a job where information security was important. And to the rest of you, must be nice to be so blissfully ignorant. I, like a REAL American can see the faults with every president with an unbiased eye. Clinton wasnt perfect. But the fact that he owns up to it while Bush supposedly can do no wrong speaks volumes to the difference. But hey, most of you morons are gonna keep supporting him and the repubs as they continue to pull the economy out from under your feet and had your job to some illegal who will do it for 1/2 the price.

Its truly sad when even cold hard fact is usless...but what else to expect from the rocket scientist who still buy there was wmd in iraq... silly red states.

I hate to state something SOOOOOOOOO obvious here. . .but I guess I will anyway.  Has the nature of the "Sensitive information" they have kept people from leaking everything from the Valerie Plame's identity to the just recently released NIE report?  Obviously it isn't very hard to do.

Also. . .Clinton never accepted responsibility for shit.  He said "I tried and I failed" and then proceeded to blame it all on the CIA and FBI saying he "couldn't get clearance".  Damn. . .the most powerful man in the world couldn't get clearance?  I damn sure know it wouldn't have stopped Dubya. 

You're sitting here calling everyone else morons when you need to pull the plank out of your own eye.  I'm not trying to absolve anyone of guilt.  Bush had 8 months and didn't do anything, you're right.  He's then royally screwed up by getting us so involved in Iraq instead of just getting rid of OBL.  Hell, Bush said a few years ago that he doesn't even care about OBL.  So yeah. . .there's a lot of blame to be passed Bush's way.  However, the lions share of the "I didn't do shit when I knew about it" blame HAS to be laid squarely at Clinton's feet.  That asshole had 8 years to do SOMETHING. . .ANYTHING and he did zilch.  But oh wait. . .he did say that he tried and he failed so that should get him off the hook, right? 

You only see shit in black and white.  You automatically assume like the asshat you are that anyone who thinks Clinton deserves some blame is in on the vast right-wing neocon conspiracy to rule the world and make Clinton look bad.  All I can say to that is. . . .BWHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!  Clinton and Democrats do PLENTY on their own to make themselves look like idiots and assholes.  They really don't need any help from the Republicans or Dubya. . .even tho he consistely gives them ammunition to use against him.

To conclude. . .here's a hint jackass. . .the economy is doing fine.  We've just about hit a record on the stock market.  The tax cuts are working.  Nevermind giving any credit there to the Republicans tho. . .wouldn't want to be fair or anything.  The Congress also just approved a 700 mile stretch of fence to go down on the border with UAVs, 4000 more border patrol agents, and 10000 beds for people they catch so they don't have to do the old "catch and release" like before.  That definitely points to them wanting to give our jobs away to border hoppers.  And yes, I think Bush is an asshat for his Guest Worker Program.  I'd ship every damn illegal out today if I were in office. 

So. . .please, shut the fuck up.

usmarine2005 wrote:

Aenima_Eyes wrote:

Here Mr. Bush. . .we had 8 years to get shit done and we had better things to do.  Now, we're gonna leave you this memo so if and when the shit hits the fan everyone will blame you.  Cheerio!

QFT

8 years of terrorist attacks all over the world.  And while we steal the furniture, here is a poorly written memo.

Wait a minute... I think you meant "2,000 years of terrorist attacks".  You subscribe to the world war or succumb to them shit.  You DO know that terrorism didn't start on 9/11, don't you?

sergeriver wrote:

Aenima_Eyes wrote:

You're sitting here calling everyone else morons when you need to pull the plank out of your own eye. 
You only see shit in black and white.  You automatically assume like the asshat you are that anyone who thinks Clinton deserves some blame is in on the vast right-wing neocon conspiracy to rule the world and make Clinton look bad.  All I can say to that is. . . .BWHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!
To conclude. . .here's a hint jackass. . .the economy is doing fine. 
So. . .please, shut the fuck up.

Yeah, why are all of you calling each other moron, if Aenima_Eyes can call you worse than that.

Damn right.

Spearhead wrote:

usmarine2005 wrote:

Aenima_Eyes wrote:

Here Mr. Bush. . .we had 8 years to get shit done and we had better things to do.  Now, we're gonna leave you this memo so if and when the shit hits the fan everyone will blame you.  Cheerio!

QFT

8 years of terrorist attacks all over the world.  And while we steal the furniture, here is a poorly written memo.

Wait a minute... I think you meant "2,000 years of terrorist attacks".  You subscribe to the world war or succumb to them shit.  You DO know that terrorism didn't start on 9/11, don't you?

The "8 years" was meant to cover the Clinton era FFS.