BF2S Forums One Simple Question for 9/11 Conspiracists

superfly_cox wrote:

Answer me this one simple question and it will all become very clear for me.

To prolong the war maybe. If we found and destroyed WMDs (and Osama) there would most likely be a huge sense of "mission accomplished" by the people back home and calling for a cease.

Makes me wonder if the govt. planned to "fight terrorists in Iraq instead of the streets of New York" by drawing them into Iraq or wheter the surge in violence after the invasion was just another result of mismanagement.


P.S. Remember Santorum's "Revelation"?

JimmyBotswana wrote:

spray_and_pray wrote:

Although there is a GAP in the 707 theory the twin towers were constructed in the 70's the 707 was created in 1952 and was a 4 engine single story airplane. However the 747 was made in the Late 60's which is a 4 engine two story airplane. Meaning the 707 could not have possibly been the largest airplane of the time. Note the eary 747 was the 747-100 model unlike the ones we fly today which are the 747-400 model. Enough about airplanes time to answer some questions.

This is an irrelevant argument because the reason why it is significant that the buildings were designed to withstand an impact from a 707 is not because it was the biggest plane at the time, but because the 707 and the 767, the planes that did hit the towers, were virtually identical in terms of weight, wignspan, fuel load (Not fuel capacity, fuel load, as in how much fuel the 767 was carrying on 9/11, not its max capacity,) top speed, etc.

The 707 was built in the 50's, the 767 was built in the 70's and flew in the 80's.

Your premise that they used the 707 becouse it compared to the 767 as a staple for their design is wrong. The planes were built in 2 different eras od commercial aviation, and the WTC was built before the 767 ever existed.

Not that this has any relevence to the discussion but it does show you are doing nothing more than pulling "facts" out of thin air.

No he is right the 707 is very much like the 767 even though it is two different time era's

Something that can uphold this is that there are military version's of the 707 that are now being replaced by the 767 while the 767 holds the upper hand and has a modern cockpit and instruments as well as better fuel management they are non the less very similar.

Last edited by spray_and_pray (2006-09-29 04:45:46)

spray_and_pray wrote:

JimmyBotswana wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

Not true, they were designed to withstand a hit from a 707 assuming it was low on fuel and lost in the fog looking to land and  off course..

The lead structural engineer reflects on the rise and fall of the World Trade Center towers.

It appears that about 25,000 people safely exited the buildings, almost all of them from below the impact floors; almost everyone above the impact floors perished, either from the impact and fire or from the subsequent collapse. The structures of the buildings were heroic in some ways but less so in others. The buildings survived the impact of the Boeing 767 aircraft, an impact very much greater than had been contemplated in our design (a slow-flying Boeing 707 lost in the fog and seeking a landing field). Therefore, the robustness of the towers was exemplary. At the same time, the fires raging in the inner reaches of the buildings undermined their strength. In time, the unimaginable happened . . . wounded by the impact of the aircraft and bleeding from the fires, both of the towers of the World Trade Center collapsed.

http://www.nae.edu/nae/bridgecom.nsf/we … enDocument

I can only answer with my previous post:

Frank DeMartini, Head of Construction: "The building was designed to have a fully loaded 707 crash into it. That was the largest plane at the time. I believe that the building probably could sustain multiple impacts of jetliners because this structure is like the mosquito netting on your screen door -- this intense grid -- and the jet plane is just a pencil puncturing that screen netting. It really does nothing to the screen netting."

It's true that the building was not specifically designed to withstand multiple hits, but the man most knowledgeable about how the buildings were built believed they could withstand multiple hits based on the buildings strength and design.

Oh wait there it is whos pulling this out of their ass The building was designed to have a fully loaded 707 crash into it. That was the largest plane at the time. may i remind you again the towers were built in the 70's and the 747 was released in the late 60's and is bigger then a 707.

Now i do support you that the buildings couldnt have been taken down by a 767 but please get your facts correct or we will look like morons. For those insulting Canada fuck you, You bunch of racists just show the world how fucking stupid you are. Oh look at me i look really smart insulting a whole country and saying that they wouldnt be living without us. No you know what without you there wouldnt be any terrorists. Taken from the dictionary Terrorist:a person who terrorizes or frightens others. Wait a minute firing cruise missles at a capital city does not terrorise or frighten others? The US is as bad or worse then what most of the population is lead to beleive are the real terrorist's Hypocrite's go be patriotic elsewhere.

Frank DeMartini, Head of Construction:  Is not a structural engineer.

lowing wrote:

JimmyBotswana wrote:

spray_and_pray wrote:

Although there is a GAP in the 707 theory the twin towers were constructed in the 70's the 707 was created in 1952 and was a 4 engine single story airplane. However the 747 was made in the Late 60's which is a 4 engine two story airplane. Meaning the 707 could not have possibly been the largest airplane of the time. Note the eary 747 was the 747-100 model unlike the ones we fly today which are the 747-400 model. Enough about airplanes time to answer some questions.

This is an irrelevant argument because the reason why it is significant that the buildings were designed to withstand an impact from a 707 is not because it was the biggest plane at the time, but because the 707 and the 767, the planes that did hit the towers, were virtually identical in terms of weight, wignspan, fuel load (Not fuel capacity, fuel load, as in how much fuel the 767 was carrying on 9/11, not its max capacity,) top speed, etc.

The 707 was built in the 50's, the 767 was built in the 70's and flew in the 80's.

Your premise that they used the 707 becouse it compared to the 767 as a staple for their design is wrong. The planes were built in 2 different eras od commercial aviation, and the WTC was built before the 767 ever existed.

Not that this has any relevence to the discussion but it does show you are doing nothing more than pulling "facts" out of thin air.

don't forget, you don't design the world's tallest buildings overnight and you sure don't build them that fast, on projects this big it's not unusual for more than a decade to pass between blueprint and door opening ceremonies (concerning the 747 being released before the towers were finished, they simply weren't around during the design phase)

Last edited by kr@cker (2006-09-29 07:09:23)

actually no one is safe, anyone that allows girls to go to school and vote and not be covered head to toe are on the list, we're just on the top, but it's not because we're america, it's because we are the superpower, the Islamo-fascist's biggest enemy is simply (top ranking free nation here), before us it was England (though at the time they only had the resources to fight against england's interests in north africa, not in england), if someone else takes the torch it will change again, riots in france, train/bus bombings in Spain and England, fertilizer bombs in canada, we're all on the list because of our freedoms

if they taught classes on how to build cars rather than blow them up the area wouldn't be such a wasteland

Jenkinsbball wrote:

kr@cker wrote:

even assuming the kiln like conditions required to raise the temp to levels above 2500 degrees (jet fuel is basicaly diesel and will not burn that high under normal conditions) were not met, steel still loses it's rigidity at about 1000 degrees and turns into playdo, there was more than enough weight about the points of impact to overstress the plasticized steel, and as to why the towers imploded, the designer (can't think of his name offhand) put most of the elevator shafts, stairways, and ventilation systems in the center, and the fuel followed it down, weakening the structure from the inside out, demolition companies blow the core of their commissioned buildings to produce the same effect

Fucking exactly.

And the video I posted PROVES that the building did not fall at free fall speeds. Also, of the building fell at free fall speeds, the inner part that is collapsing would fall as fast as the outside debris. It's obvious that the debris on the outside fell faster (because you can SEE it), once again proves that the inner portion pancaked on itself and demolitions weren't used.

It's logical to assume that the inner core fell after the millions of tons of building collapsed, all the while damaging the core as the steel fell down.

--->[Your wrote:

Phobia<--- ]It was staged thats all i got to say.

Where's your proof?




I think people throw the conspiracy theories around for attention. They believe they're right and nothing will stop them. They don't believe in the thousands of PROFESSIONAL scientists, reports and video evidence that prove it was an attack and that the impacts plus the resorting fires WEAKENED the structure (nobody ever said fire alone brought down the buildings) and eventually caused the collapse.

Also, let's not listen to the fire fighter's statements about WTC7 and photographic proof that there was:

1. Damage to the corner of the building starting about the 18th floor and down (it looks like the side was sheared off).
2. The 20 story hole that was created by collapse of WTC1.
3. Fire fighter's statements that the building was making creeking sounds, it was swaying and that all the fire/smoke wasn't good. They pulled out of the entire area just in time for the collapse.


People in other countries believe that we did this to ourselves for justification to attack everyone else. We didn't ask for this shit to happen to us. It was orchestrated by fanatics, and we responded by fucking up their ignorant organization.

You morons in Canada don't ever have to worry about shit like this. Nobody is going to fly a plane into downtown Montreal and kill thousands of your citizens because you're not a threat to them. The fucking USA is. We are the world power. We give BILLIONS and BILLIONS of dollars in aid to a number of countries each and every year. How much money does Canada donate, to let's say, the fucking AIDS crisis in Africa? You don't know? Yeah, me either, because it's probably like $15 bucks.

You are a fucking moron the US spent as much money on the Bali tsunami for aid as it would for a day of war look at New Orleans where was your government there? Do you know why you were attacked because America is a terrorist not Afghanistan you have already killed over 50 000 civilians in the war on Iraq how does that compare to the 3000 killed on 9/11. The US has been involved in every Major war in the Modern Era . The US likes to think they were the top country in WW2 the US was actually ranked 17th in military power at the time they were attacked in Pearl Harbour this means Romania was stronger then you. You what won Vietnam? Give me a fucking break you pulled out. The US use tactics of bombing civilian targets to "scare" off people. You think someones not going to give a shit if you kill their family then call it collateral damage? Do you actually think that person is going to do nothing? Wow and youre fucking around with we are the strongest country in the world no one can beat us. No just half the world hates you cause youre a bunch of war mongers and arrogant pricks. Who likes the US? Australia and England, The Chinese and the Russian couldnt really give a fuck less about you they didnt sign your little offer to stop supplying Iran. The Middle East hates you, Half of europe hates you. Shit i guess most Canadians even hate you. South America hates you. It looks pretty grim out there my friend your friends are limited and your enemies are large. So you fucked up a fanatics organisation? Yet terrorism is higher then ever, You call them ignorant? Suit yourself no one has been dropping bombs on your country ever no one has ever killed someone in your family by dropping a bomb and flying away. Do you actually think that is the better way? You look up to someone who will drop bombs from 30 000 feet where no one can get him and then fly away? NO whoever does that is a pussy but to you he is a Hero. Guess what to the people of Afghanistan the ones who flew their airplanes into buildings were the hero's. Go ahead say what you want it wont change my mind go be a "Patriot" no matter what you say to me you will always be the ignorant American prick who always looks at it his way and never looks through the view of the innocents that are being killed daily. As for your massive AID giving Give it up your government probably spends more money on war in a week then he gives to other countries as AID for the next 10 years.

spray_and_pray wrote:

You are a fucking moron the US spent as much money on the Bali tsunami for aid as it would for a day of war look at New Orleans where was your government there?Why bring NO into this? It wasn't the government's fault the dumb fucking mayor didn't evacuate fast enough and left like, how many was it?, 50+ school buses sitting there that they could've used. But, nope, it's Bush's fault.

Do you know why you were attacked because America is a terrorist not Afghanistan you have already killed over 50 000 civilians in the war on Iraq how does that compare to the 3000 killed on 9/11.Agian, where's your proof that we've killed over 50k civilians? Rumors?

The US has been involved in every Major war in the Modern Era.Because everyone fucking cries for us to fucking help them.

The US likes to think they were the top country in WW2 the US was actually ranked 17th in military power at the time they were attacked in Pearl Harbour this means Romania was stronger then you.Who brought up what happened over 60 years ago? Nobody is talking about WW2 you twat, except for you. We are the fucking superpower NOW, and that's why everyone hates us.

You what won Vietnam? Give me a fucking break you pulled out. The US use tactics of bombing civilian targets to "scare" off people.Again, why are you bringing that up? I wasn't even born when that happened, so I can't comment on it.

You think someones not going to give a shit if you kill their family then call it collateral damage? Do you actually think that person is going to do nothing?So, just because we were attacked, we aren't allowed to retaliate against the fucks that orchestrated it? If they bombed your shitty 3rd World Country, wherever the fuck you're from, you'd have a different point of view as well. You can sit there and sip your tea, because you didn't have to fucking watch your countries landmarks fall to the ground like we did.

Wow and youre fucking around with we are the strongest country in the world no one can beat us.Exactly, nobody can beat us. Now to jack off in your closet

No just half the world hates you cause youre a bunch of war mongers and arrogant pricks. Who likes the US? Australia and England.

The Chinese and the Russian couldnt really give a fuck less about you they didnt sign your little offer to stop supplying Iran. The Middle East hates you, Half of europe hates you. Shit i guess most Canadians even hate you.So? The only people we should care about is the Chinese. They'll be a superpower in like a century, so it's good to stay friendly with them. Russia? Fuck Ruissia and their crappy economy. The Middle East should be sunk into the ocean. And, Europe... fuck them too. France is a country of pussies. Germany is just waiting to unleash their next Hitler (I still can't believe the populous followed that maniac). And that's it, that's all Europe has. I feel sorry for them.

South America hates you.Wow, the entire continent of South America hates the US? That's news to me.

It looks pretty grim out there my friend your friends are limited and your enemies are large. So you fucked up a fanatics organisation?Learn how to spell dumb ass. It's organization.

Yet terrorism is higher then ever, You call them ignorant?Yes, they're ignorant because they have a narrow view on life. They believe that since the Koran says everyone should bow to them, that we HAVE to. They're extremists and would kill you where you stood if they didn't like the length of your beard. Also, they'd kill you for your right to say the dumb hateful shit you just posted, because you HAVE THAT RIGHT, and they HATE that!!!

Suit yourself no one has been dropping bombs on your country ever no one has ever killed someone in your family by dropping a bomb and flying away. Do you actually think that is the better way? You look up to someone who will drop bombs from 30 000 feet where no one can get him and then fly away? NO whoever does that is a pussy but to you he is a Hero.War is about winning you fucking faggot. What's the point of losing 10k+ soldiers when you can have 5 airplanes do all the work for you and use your forces in a better suited manner? God, I see you know nothing of preserving life either.

Guess what to the people of Afghanistan the ones who flew their airplanes into buildings were the hero's.Last time I checked, Afghanistan isn't the issue. The people of Afhanistan would much rather talk on cell phones and go to school, than to have their heads and hands chopped off for stupid shit like stealing. "Oh Noes!! A woman in school?!?!?! KILL HER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Go ahead say what you want it wont change my mind go be a "Patriot" no matter what you say to me you will always be the ignorant American prick who always looks at it his way and never looks through the view of the innocents that are being killed daily.I will be a fucking Patriot to my country. We are doing what we must to protect ourselves.

As for your massive AID giving Give it up your government probably spends more money on war in a week then he gives to other countries as AID for the next 10 years.Maybe so, but, it isn't our fucking responsibility to help the rest of the world 100%. We're giving Africa like $20+ billion in aid, or something like that, to combat their AIDS epidemic. What do you think would happen if we called back all the loans, and the loans we've forgiven, on all the countries in the world? They wouldn't be able to pay because they're all poor pieces of shit. The point is, the US is the most generous country in the history of the universe. You say us Americans are selfish... again, I point to how much money we raise during catastrophes. Sure, the goverment didn't act well in the case of New Orleans, but the American people donated way over ONE BILLION dollars to help them rebuild. I'm sure France wouldn't do that for their own citizens.

God damn dude, you're fucking wacked out of your skull. This goes from me showing that 9/11 wasn't orchestrated by the government, to you blowing up over something so simple. Get a life dude... or get a woman and work out your stress from life in bed with her.

Last edited by Jenkinsbball (2006-09-29 10:29:02)

Has anyone seen the topic laying around here?

one_of_ten wrote:

Riots in France were not orchestrated by Al-Quaeda or any other terrorist group.

It was like "Gangs of New-York" except it was in Paris and some other french cities.

The children of the immigrants of north africa feel (and they are right) that they are not considered as other french citizens, they live in ghettos outside the city , their schools fall in pieces and they cannot find a job because they come from north africa even if they are French (aka as racism).

I was referring to the ones that, yes, involved large groups of muslim gangs a couple of years ago, I don't know about the last ones,

Jenkinsbball wrote:

spray_and_pray wrote:

You are a fucking moron the US spent as much money on the Bali tsunami for aid as it would for a day of war look at New Orleans where was your government there?Why bring NO into this? It wasn't the government's fault the dumb fucking mayor didn't evacuate fast enough and left like, how many was it?, 50+ school buses sitting there that they could've used. But, nope, it's Bush's fault.

Do you know why you were attacked because America is a terrorist not Afghanistan you have already killed over 50 000 civilians in the war on Iraq how does that compare to the 3000 killed on 9/11.Agian, where's your proof that we've killed over 50k civilians? Rumors?

The US has been involved in every Major war in the Modern Era.Because everyone fucking cries for us to fucking help them.

The US likes to think they were the top country in WW2 the US was actually ranked 17th in military power at the time they were attacked in Pearl Harbour this means Romania was stronger then you.Who brought up what happened over 60 years ago? Nobody is talking about WW2 you twat, except for you. We are the fucking superpower NOW, and that's why everyone hates us.

You what won Vietnam? Give me a fucking break you pulled out. The US use tactics of bombing civilian targets to "scare" off people.Again, why are you bringing that up? I wasn't even born when that happened, so I can't comment on it.

You think someones not going to give a shit if you kill their family then call it collateral damage? Do you actually think that person is going to do nothing?So, just because we were attacked, we aren't allowed to retaliate against the fucks that orchestrated it? If they bombed your shitty 3rd World Country, wherever the fuck you're from, you'd have a different point of view as well. You can sit there and sip your tea, because you didn't have to fucking watch your countries landmarks fall to the ground like we did.

Wow and youre fucking around with we are the strongest country in the world no one can beat us.Exactly, nobody can beat us. Now to jack off in your closet

No just half the world hates you cause youre a bunch of war mongers and arrogant pricks. Who likes the US? Australia and England.

The Chinese and the Russian couldnt really give a fuck less about you they didnt sign your little offer to stop supplying Iran. The Middle East hates you, Half of europe hates you. Shit i guess most Canadians even hate you.So? The only people we should care about is the Chinese. They'll be a superpower in like a century, so it's good to stay friendly with them. Russia? Fuck Ruissia and their crappy economy. The Middle East should be sunk into the ocean. And, Europe... fuck them too. France is a country of pussies. Germany is just waiting to unleash their next Hitler (I still can't believe the populous followed that maniac). And that's it, that's all Europe has. I feel sorry for them.

South America hates you.Wow, the entire continent of South America hates the US? That's news to me.

It looks pretty grim out there my friend your friends are limited and your enemies are large. So you fucked up a fanatics organisation?Learn how to spell dumb ass. It's organization.

Yet terrorism is higher then ever, You call them ignorant?Yes, they're ignorant because they have a narrow view on life. They believe that since the Koran says everyone should bow to them, that we HAVE to. They're extremists and would kill you where you stood if they didn't like the length of your beard. Also, they'd kill you for your right to say the dumb hateful shit you just posted, because you HAVE THAT RIGHT, and they HATE that!!!

Suit yourself no one has been dropping bombs on your country ever no one has ever killed someone in your family by dropping a bomb and flying away. Do you actually think that is the better way? You look up to someone who will drop bombs from 30 000 feet where no one can get him and then fly away? NO whoever does that is a pussy but to you he is a Hero.War is about winning you fucking faggot. What's the point of losing 10k+ soldiers when you can have 5 airplanes do all the work for you and use your forces in a better suited manner? God, I see you know nothing of preserving life either.

Guess what to the people of Afghanistan the ones who flew their airplanes into buildings were the hero's.Last time I checked, Afghanistan isn't the issue. The people of Afhanistan would much rather talk on cell phones and go to school, than to have their heads and hands chopped off for stupid shit like stealing. "Oh Noes!! A woman in school?!?!?! KILL HER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Go ahead say what you want it wont change my mind go be a "Patriot" no matter what you say to me you will always be the ignorant American prick who always looks at it his way and never looks through the view of the innocents that are being killed daily.I will be a fucking Patriot to my country. We are doing what we must to protect ourselves.

As for your massive AID giving Give it up your government probably spends more money on war in a week then he gives to other countries as AID for the next 10 years.Maybe so, but, it isn't our fucking responsibility to help the rest of the world 100%. We're giving Africa like $20+ billion in aid, or something like that, to combat their AIDS epidemic. What do you think would happen if we called back all the loans, and the loans we've forgiven, on all the countries in the world? They wouldn't be able to pay because they're all poor pieces of shit. The point is, the US is the most generous country in the history of the universe. You say us Americans are selfish... again, I point to how much money we raise during catastrophes. Sure, the goverment didn't act well in the case of New Orleans, but the American people donated way over ONE BILLION dollars to help them rebuild. I'm sure France wouldn't do that for their own citizens.

God damn dude, you're fucking wacked out of your skull. This goes from me showing that 9/11 wasn't orchestrated by the government, to you blowing up over something so simple. Get a life dude... or get a woman and work out your stress from life in bed with her.

No sorry i have seen my countries land marks blown up before by US stealth bombers i also quite enjoyed watching your bombers drop off like flies when they were hit by missles a great sight to watch i suggest you go see it one time. The bullshit that you guys are fighting for freedom is well bullshit why bomb a capital city that isnt even in the warzone with no military targets. You bombed out bridges You bombed our power stations (The military has its own generators) You bombed our hospital You bombed our police station. You radiated the area. So you think you know what its like for people to die around you every day? No 9/11 was a one day attack and nothing more. Only 3 buildings and 3000 people. (now even though 3000 seems like a lot to you its jack shit in war) Ive been on the other side of your bombing and it is in no way liberating. That is why i beleive in Karma and you will get what you give back to the world.

Powerstations and bridges dont shoot down bombers like said before the military does not use the civilian assets and is either in Kosovo or in the Mountains not in our capital city. However we were armed with AAA if anyone did decide to bombs us its easy as. You dont try bomb civilians and we wont shoot your jet down. Of course if you fly military airplanes over our city we'll shoot you down but the war wasnt there. BTW we shot down a F117A (stealth) using Russian AA made in the 60's the pilot bailed and had to be rescued by over 20 helicopters. This however was not over the city but outside it as the stealth was going in to bomb it. My decision cannot be swayed since i was actually at the bombing and not listening to CNN bullshit. 

Since Karma goes around +1 to you