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lowing wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

AlbertWesker[RE] wrote:

There is not really a claim to test here...the above are people that probably just piss off lowing and people like myself when we work are asses off and are told we need to pay more taxes to help people who don't *@#&*(@ deserve it.  People who are TRULY in need like those busting their ass, and on welfare, and those who truly need aid, I have no problem with that, but if you don't have legitimate reason, than its time to f*** off. 

At least you admit that there are people with genuine needs and not only lazy dudes, which there must be also.

Sergeriver, I have given more of myself and money to help people in my community than you will ever give me credit for, ( and no I am not looking for recognition). If you really need an example though, as a father of 2 children I am a little sensative when I drive by a lemonaide stand with a couple of 7 year olds trying to EARN some money. I always have stopped at these stands and bought a .25 cent styrofoam cup of lemonaide for whatever I had in my pocket. I reason that these kids aren't begging for money, they are trying to EARN money and I wanted to recognize that and support that. I have bought a $20.00 cup of lemonaide before. I have done more, but DEFINATELY reserve my generousity for helping those that help themselves. I have said that before, yet you seem to ALWAYS leave that portion out  whenever you are quoting me to prove your point that I am Hitler.

lowing wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

lowing wrote:

Sergeriver, I have given more of myself and money to help people in my community than you will ever give me credit for, ( and no I am not looking for recognition). If you really need an example though, as a father of 2 children I am a little sensitive when I drive by a lemonade stand with a couple of 7 year olds trying to EARN some money. I always have stopped at these stands and bought a .25 cent styrofoam cup of lemonade for whatever I had in my pocket. I reason that these kids aren't begging for money, they are trying to EARN money and I wanted to recognize that and support that. I have bought a $20.00 cup of lemonade before. I have done more, but DEFINITELY reserve my generosity for helping those that help themselves. I have said that before, yet you seem to ALWAYS leave that portion out  whenever you are quoting me to prove your point that I am Hitler.

Sorry for the comparison.
I don't have any doubt you do your part man.  But I want to know how can you note the difference between people in genuine need and lazy people?  How do you translate that in numbers and millions of dollars?

how about criminal records, tax returns, household income compared to size of household, how about length of time "in the system". How about the paper trail left behind by someone who is actually looking for work and those that are not??

also I have never used the word "liberal" as an insult.......  I use the word "liberal" to identify the group of people, or ideology I am talking about. Liberals determined it was an insult, not us.

topthrill05 wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

topthrill05 wrote:

People who think the government should give them money and a blowjob on their birthday.

Really I am sick of paying for the lazy American.

Do you have statistics?  You should think that not all the people has your luck, then you may change your viewpoint m8.

No I wont. I am in the low end of the middle class. I happen too go too school where there are plenty of statistics for me. I know the parents that think the government should give them everything. And yes I know the people that need these programs to live. I am not saying that we should get rid of it, but the system needs too be changed.

I in no way live the rich and fancy life. I work my ass off for what I want and when I turn 18 I will be on my way to a successful life. I am sorry I don't have any statistics for you, but I just live with it everyday.

topthrill05 wrote:

But having that option to fall back on just makes people lazy.

sergeriver wrote:

topthrill05 wrote:

But having that option to fall back on just makes people lazy.

Do you really think that most of the people in need is happy living from what the government gives them?

Stingray24 wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

Lowing, you are so wrong.  Socialism does not kill national identity or individualism.  That's communism.  You must read some books about politics and economy.  Government should not have complete control over our lives, but it should take care of all basic needs of all the citizens who can't afford them by themselves, that's called social security.  If you don't want that to happen then you are the anarchist. 
You could start by using the word liberal not as an insult, coz it really isn't.  And stop defending your lovely government, the only thing GWB is doing is getting richer.  He does not give a shit for you or other American citizen that is not called Bush, Cheney or friends.  Wake up dude.

sergeriver, you do not know what you're talking about.  But I wouldn't expect you to because you don't live here.  GWB is not getting richer, you're believing the propaganda if you think that.  There are a vast number of private citizens in the US who make waaaaay more than GWB. 

Those who don't want social security to take care of those who can't or won't work doesn't make them an anarchist.  That statement has no basis in fact and shows how uninformed you are in this matter.  As others have said previously, we don't want the government just handing out tax money hand over fist without some accountability.  If someone is disabled and simply cannot work, social security should take care of them, in my opinion.  Anyone else should receive benefits as long as they can prove they are actively seeking employment.  I think the benefits should decrease over a period of time, too.  That way, it would force people to get a job.  McDonalds and all the other fast food and retail stores are always hiring.  I've seen kids on welfare wearing Tommy Hilfiger, Gap, etc while their parents are sitting on the butts collecting their check.  Meanwhile, I work my rear off to provide for my family and we shop at the 2nd hand store and garage sales to save money.  I will continue to work to improve my income so my family can live better.  Those who are lazy and get a check should not be living better than those who work hard.

sergeriver wrote:

Stingray24 wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

Lowing, you are so wrong.  Socialism does not kill national identity or individualism.  That's communism.  You must read some books about politics and economy.  Government should not have complete control over our lives, but it should take care of all basic needs of all the citizens who can't afford them by themselves, that's called social security.  If you don't want that to happen then you are the anarchist. 
You could start by using the word liberal not as an insult, coz it really isn't.  And stop defending your lovely government, the only thing GWB is doing is getting richer.  He does not give a shit for you or other American citizen that is not called Bush, Cheney or friends.  Wake up dude.

sergeriver, you do not know what you're talking about.  But I wouldn't expect you to because you don't live here.  GWB is not getting richer, you're believing the propaganda if you think that.  There are a vast number of private citizens in the US who make waaaaay more than GWB. 

Those who don't want social security to take care of those who can't or won't work doesn't make them an anarchist.  That statement has no basis in fact and shows how uninformed you are in this matter.  As others have said previously, we don't want the government just handing out tax money hand over fist without some accountability.  If someone is disabled and simply cannot work, social security should take care of them, in my opinion.  Anyone else should receive benefits as long as they can prove they are actively seeking employment.  I think the benefits should decrease over a period of time, too.  That way, it would force people to get a job.  McDonalds and all the other fast food and retail stores are always hiring.  I've seen kids on welfare wearing Tommy Hilfiger, Gap, etc while their parents are sitting on the butts collecting their check.  Meanwhile, I work my rear off to provide for my family and we shop at the 2nd hand store and garage sales to save money.  I will continue to work to improve my income so my family can live better.  Those who are lazy and get a check should not be living better than those who work hard.

I agree with you in that the government shouldn't give money without accountability, and I never said the opposite thing m8.  The kids using expensive clothes and asking for money in every corner of your city, I see here everyday and it gets me mad.  But there are also people who really have trouble and need the government help.
Bush might not be the richest person in America without any question, but the other people you talk about making way more money than him aren't the President of US.

DocZ wrote:

Rosse_modest wrote:

DocZ wrote:

Democracy is an illusion...  to keep the masses at bay...

If democracy worked, we would already have a completely different government here in Belgium...
Plus, I see no reason why democracy would work anywhere else aswell...
It is a nice concept, but the proverb doesn't say "power corrupts" for no reason...  I am still to meet an honest politician... ( Or a lawyer for that matter.... )

Democracy is not an illusion, there just aren't any democracies in this day and age.

That's exactly what I said,        Democracy is an illusion......