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2006-09-21 17:12:32
IRONCHEF
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+385|6742|Northern California

IRONCHEF wrote:

Oh yeah, I'm still waiting for where it was cool to kill?  Give it to me please, I"m waiting and I've got 30 minutes before I go home from work...
Bummer, I thought you were up to the challenge...calling me the ignorant one.  I got one thing to say to that!
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2006-09-21 17:13:12
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6902|USA
Yes, religion is the root of all the problems in the world.............religion and women......
2006-09-21 17:24:00
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7008|Argentina

lowing wrote:

Yes, religion is the root of all the problems in the world.............religion and women......
Lowing, first you are conservative, then you don't believe in religion (not much conservative there) and now you admit you don't like women, are you the 21st Century Edgar Hoover?
2006-09-21 17:29:24
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6902|USA

sergeriver wrote:

lowing wrote:

Yes, religion is the root of all the problems in the world.............religion and women......
Lowing, first you are conservative, then you don't believe in religion (not much conservative there) and now you admit you don't like women, are you the 21st Century Edgar Hoover?
Yup I am conservative, and I love women, and the loving of women is what I am talking about. They make us do some pretty stupid shit.
2006-09-21 17:33:37
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7008|Argentina

lowing wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

lowing wrote:

Yes, religion is the root of all the problems in the world.............religion and women......
Lowing, first you are conservative, then you don't believe in religion (not much conservative there) and now you admit you don't like women, are you the 21st Century Edgar Hoover?
Yup I am conservative, and I love women, and the loving of women is what I am talking about. They make us do some pretty stupid shit.
Like marriage dude?
2006-09-21 17:41:44
LaidBackNinja
Pony Slaystation
+343|6960|Charlie One Alpha

sergeriver wrote:

lowing wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

Lowing, first you are conservative, then you don't believe in religion (not much conservative there) and now you admit you don't like women, are you the 21st Century Edgar Hoover?
Yup I am conservative, and I love women, and the loving of women is what I am talking about. They make us do some pretty stupid shit.
Like marriage dude?
No, like allowing them to live.

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"If you want a vision of the future, imagine SecuROM slapping your face with its dick -- forever." -George Orwell
2006-09-21 17:44:29
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7008|Argentina

LaidBackNinja wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

lowing wrote:


Yup I am conservative, and I love women, and the loving of women is what I am talking about. They make us do some pretty stupid shit.
Like marriage dude?
No, like allowing them to live.
We should allow them to live, I would not fuck a pillow.
2006-09-21 17:48:15
LaidBackNinja
Pony Slaystation
+343|6960|Charlie One Alpha

sergeriver wrote:

LaidBackNinja wrote:

sergeriver wrote:


Like marriage dude?
No, like allowing them to live.
We should allow them to live, I would not fuck a pillow.
Womanwhore.
"If you want a vision of the future, imagine SecuROM slapping your face with its dick -- forever." -George Orwell
2006-09-21 17:50:05
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7008|Argentina

LaidBackNinja wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

LaidBackNinja wrote:


No, like allowing them to live.
We should allow them to live, I would not fuck a pillow.
Womanwhore.
Aren't we all?
2006-09-21 17:56:00
DesertFox-
The very model of a modern major general
+796|6936|United States of America
**** I can't provide a rebuttal since I missed that whole 7th page and am vehemently against large quoting.
2006-09-21 17:57:08
ilyandor
Member
+31|6939|Phoenix, AZ

Fancy_Pollux wrote:

When stupid and submissive people unite under their common religious beliefs, you have the makings of the biggest source of violence and bloodshed the world has ever seen. I find it rediculous that people are willing to kill and die in the name of their religion. We have fanatics blowing themselves up everyday, jackasses claiming that dinosaurs were put on Earth as God's test of man's faith, and those who, despite all scientific proof, claim evolution is not real. I'm not saying people aren't entitled to their beliefs, they just don't need a church between them and their god. A church isn't led by your god, it's led by humans, who, when given this power, are no less corrupt than your average crooked politician.

The extent to which organized religion can brainwash such a large majority of the world into defying science, reasoning, and truth is truly shocking....even more so than Hitler's influence over Nazi Germany. I can't help but think I'm on crazy pills when I question how can so many people be so meek. When fanatics fight in the name of their religion, do they even know why? I just see these people as zombies incapable of higher reasoning or imagination. All sides are guilty here. There is no "right" organized religion because organized religion in itself is wrong.

Discuss.
your a faggot noob idiot.
2006-09-21 18:04:01
Fancy_Pollux
Connoisseur of Fine Wine
+1,306|6897

ilyandor wrote:

your a faggot noob idiot.
https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v256/deathbym0nkeyz/youre.jpg
2006-09-21 18:16:11
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6902|USA

sergeriver wrote:

lowing wrote:

sergeriver wrote:


Lowing, first you are conservative, then you don't believe in religion (not much conservative there) and now you admit you don't like women, are you the 21st Century Edgar Hoover?
Yup I am conservative, and I love women, and the loving of women is what I am talking about. They make us do some pretty stupid shit.
Like marriage dude?
Yup, just like that!!!
2006-09-21 18:42:37
jet burned
Banned
+13|6877|Irving, Texas, USA
I might be a little late saying this, but who gives a damn.

For those of you who continually say that one flaw in religion is its rejection of science, you're a bit mistaken. Einstein himself was a Jew and the only reason he attempted to create equations which could flawlessly predict the universe was to understand God and his plans. Even the big-bang theory was concieved by a catholic man, and a majority of scientists in the world have some sort of religious beliefs (mainly Christian or related to it). Going back further in time, many of our scientific theories and concepts originate from actively religious men (I'm not good at giving specifics of this far back in history, but I guess one could reference the egyptians, greeks and early/late romans, although there's much more).

Of course, its hard to object to the thought that religion does lead to violence and hate, since many of these scientific concepts were later used in acts of war - Einstein and the A-bomb being excellent examples despite its contridictary nature. Leonardo Da Vinci was as much an artist as he was a scientists with many abstract and creative concepts, which were largely misused in his employment to the Catholic church, who demanded him to apply his amazing ideas to military convieniences (most of which were unfinished).

Sorry if there were flaws in my references; just felt as if I had to defend my views, even though they were contradicted by the second paragraph.
2006-09-21 18:54:55
{XpLiCiTxX}
Ohh skeet skeet
+143|6721|New York

Mongoose wrote:

i agree, but religion is still bullshit
I couldn't agree more.

I'm a huge fan of George Carlin, and I found this on Youtube and it's absolutely brilliant.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=SzHlMs2rSIM
2006-09-21 20:31:36
ilyandor
Member
+31|6939|Phoenix, AZ

Fancy_Pollux wrote:

ilyandor wrote:

your a faggot noob idiot.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v256/ … /youre.jpg
and you are a fuckin grammar nazi nerd.
2006-09-21 20:34:04
DesertFox-
The very model of a modern major general
+796|6936|United States of America
Hey now! Say what you want about Fancy_Pants, but leave the grammar out of it.
2006-09-21 20:40:35
TrollmeaT
Aspiring Objectivist
+492|6923|Colorado
I'd like to quote from Ayn Rands' book Atlas Shrugged as I couldn't have said it better.

"Death is the standard of your values, death is your chosen goal, and you have to keep running, since there is no escape from the pursuer who is out to destroy you or from the knowledge that the pursuer is yourself. Stop running, for once -- there is no place to run -- stand naked, as you dread to stand, but as I see you, and take a look at what you dared to call a moral code.

"Damnation is the start of your morality, destruction is its purpose, means and end. Your code begins by damning man as evil, then demands that he practice a good which it defines as impossible for him to practice. It demands, as his first proof of virtue, that he accept his own depravity without proof. It demands that he start, not with a standard of value, but with a standard of evil, which is himself, by means of which he is then to define the good: the good is that which he is not.

"It does not matter who then becomes the profiteer on his renounced glory and tormented soul, a mystic God with some incomprehensible design or any passer-by whose rotting sores are held as some inexplicable claim upon him-- it does not matter, the good is not for him to understand, his duty is to crawl through years of penance, atoning for the guilt of his existence to any stray collector of unintelligible debts, his only concept of a value is a zero: the good is that which is non-man.

"The name of this monstrous absurdity is Original Sin.
"A sin without volition is a slap at morality and an insolent contradiction in terms: that which is outside the possibility of choice is outside the province of morality. If man is evil by birth, he has no will, no power to change it; if he has no will, he can be neither good nor evil; a robot is amoral. To hold, as man's sin, a fact not open to his choice is a mockery of morality. To hold man's nature as his sin is a mockery of nature. To punish him for a crime he committed before he was born is a mockery of justice. To hold him guilty in a matter where no innocence exists is a mockery of reason. To destroy morality, nature, justice and reason by means of a single concept is a feat of evil hardly to be matched. Yet that is the root of your code.

"Do not hide behind the cowardly evasion that man is born with free will, but with a 'tendency' to evil. A free will saddled with a tendency is like a game with loaded dice. It forces man to struggle through the effort of playing, to bear responsibility and pay for the game, but the decision is weighted in favor of a tendency that he had no power to escape. If the tendency is of his choice, he cannot possess it at birth; if it is not of his choice, his will is not free.

"What is the nature of the guilt that your teachers call his Original Sin? What are the evils man acquired when he fell from a state they consider perfection? Their myth declares that he ate the fruit of the tree of knowledge--he acquired a mind and became a rational being. It was the knowledge of good and evil--he became a moral being. He was sentenced to earn his bread by his labor--he became a productive being. He was sentenced to experience desire--he acquired the capacity of sexual enjoyment. The evils for which they damn him are reason, morality, creativeness, joy-- all the cardinal values of his existence. It is not his vices that their myth of man's fall is designed to explain and condemn, it is not his errors that they hold as his guilt, but the essence of his nature as man. Whatever he was-- that robot in the Garden of Eden, who existed without mind, without values, without labor, without love-- he was not man.

"Man's fall, according to your teachers, was that he gained the virtues required to live. These virtues, by their standard, are his Sin. His evil, they charge, is that he's man. His guilt, they charge, is that he lives.

"They call it a morality of mercy and a doctrine of love for man.
"No, they say, they do not preach that man is evil, the evil is only that alien object: his body. No, they say, they do not wish to kill him, they only wish to make him lose his body. They seek to help him, they say, against his pain-- and they point at the torture rack to which they've tied him, the rack with two wheels that pull him in opposite directions, the rack of the doctrine that splits his soul and body.

"They have cut man in two, setting one half against the other. They have taught him that his body and his consciousness are two enemies engaged in deadly conflict, two antagonists of opposite natures, contradictory claims, incompatible needs, that to benefit one is to injure the other, that his soul belongs to a supernatural realm, but his body is an evil prison holding it in bondage to this earth-- and that the good is to defeat his body, to undermine it by years of patient struggle, digging his way to that glorious jail-break which leads into the freedom of the grave.

"They have taught man that he is a hopeless misfit made of two elements, both symbols of death. A body without a soul is a corpse, a soul without a body is a ghost-- yet such is their image of man's nature: the battleground of a struggle between a corpse and a ghost, a corpse endowed with some evil violation of its own and a ghost endowed with the knowledge that everything known to man is non-existent, that only the unknowable exists.

"Do you observe what human faculty that doctrine was designed to ignore? It was man's mind that had to be negated in order to make him fall apart. Once he surrendered reason, he was left at the mercy of two monsters whom he could not fathom or control: of a body moved by unaccountable instincts and a soul moved by mystic revelations-- he was left as the passively ravaged victim of a battle between a robot and a dictaphone.

"And as he now crawls through the wreckage, groping blindly for a way to live, your teachers offer him the help of a morality that proclaims that he'll find no solution and must seek no fulfillment on earth. Real existence, they tell him, is that which he cannot perceive, true consciousness is the faculty of perceiving the non-existent-- and if he is unable to understand it,that is the proof that his existence is evil and his consciousness impotent.

"As products of the split between man's soul and body, there are two kinds of teachers of the Morality of Death: the mystics of spirit and the mystics of muscle, whom you call the spiritualists and the materialists, those who believe in consciousness without existence and those who believe in existence without consciousness. Both demand the surrender of your mind, one to their revelations, the other to their reflexes. No matter how loudly they posture in the roles of irreconcilable antagonists, their moral codes are alike, and so are their aims: in matter-- the enslavement of man's body, in spirit-- the destruction of his mind.

She explains it further & with much clarity addressing several other issues that men seem confused with, she is my new hero that has had the words I could not put together yet saying everything I've always felt deep inside.

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2006-09-22 02:27:59
LaidBackNinja
Pony Slaystation
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{XpLiCiTxX} wrote:

Mongoose wrote:

i agree, but religion is still bullshit
I couldn't agree more.

I'm a huge fan of George Carlin, and I found this on Youtube and it's absolutely brilliant.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=SzHlMs2rSIM
Pretty funny, but he should have said Catholicism instead of religion in general. Contrary to popular belief, Christianity is not the only religion out there.
"If you want a vision of the future, imagine SecuROM slapping your face with its dick -- forever." -George Orwell
2006-09-22 02:34:58
doneyone
Member
+30|6806|Holland Hardcore
I think when u put religion/politics/race aside people would still kill each other over some other dumb reason like size of nose or density of pubic hair in the anal region.... so I think man is doomed to be plagued by its own stupidity/primal urge to fight and bitch about stuff.

(Personally I think race isn't a stupid reason to fight, but that's another story)

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2006-09-22 02:52:36
therealnicoli
Member
+5|6928

Bertster7 wrote:

Organised religion should be banned worldwide as part of the war on terror, which would probably cause more problems initially, but might sort stuff out in the long run - less brainwashing bullshit.
I Would presume this would just push the most fanatic groups underground and increase there level of violence

AAFCptKabbom wrote:

As humans became more "civilized", and I use that term loosely, over the centuries certain religions have become proponents of peace and tolerance {Hinduism, Buddhism, Christianity, etc.}.
Agree with the Hinduism and Buddhism here, Christianity I don't agree with! Christianty is surrounded by so many violent acts past and present. Its always hard to blame the religion you are most influenced or surrounded by. It's easier to show others being violent to make yourself look better (muslims for insatnce).

Everyone just be athiest!
2006-09-22 04:08:48
doneyone
Member
+30|6806|Holland Hardcore
ok....
2006-09-22 04:10:07
Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|6926|Canberra, AUS

ilyandor wrote:

Fancy_Pollux wrote:

When stupid and submissive people unite under their common religious beliefs, you have the makings of the biggest source of violence and bloodshed the world has ever seen. I find it rediculous that people are willing to kill and die in the name of their religion. We have fanatics blowing themselves up everyday, jackasses claiming that dinosaurs were put on Earth as God's test of man's faith, and those who, despite all scientific proof, claim evolution is not real. I'm not saying people aren't entitled to their beliefs, they just don't need a church between them and their god. A church isn't led by your god, it's led by humans, who, when given this power, are no less corrupt than your average crooked politician.

The extent to which organized religion can brainwash such a large majority of the world into defying science, reasoning, and truth is truly shocking....even more so than Hitler's influence over Nazi Germany. I can't help but think I'm on crazy pills when I question how can so many people be so meek. When fanatics fight in the name of their religion, do they even know why? I just see these people as zombies incapable of higher reasoning or imagination. All sides are guilty here. There is no "right" organized religion because organized religion in itself is wrong.

Discuss.
your a faggot noob idiot.
I don't usually do this, but here I feel compelled to.

You fail.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
2006-09-22 04:51:20
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7008|Argentina

lowing wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

lowing wrote:


Yup I am conservative, and I love women, and the loving of women is what I am talking about. They make us do some pretty stupid shit.
Like marriage dude?
Yup, just like that!!!
Thanks for the advice 5 years later man.
2006-09-22 08:34:40
IRONCHEF
Member
+385|6742|Northern California

topal63 wrote:

IRONCHEF
I am unchallenged by you, so I will restate what evades you... and that which is unchallenged by you or anyone:

That's dogmatic nonsense...

Anyways you said post it - and I did... you said find any commandments advocating killing people and I did, and some people claim those very commandments as "reasons" why homo-sexuality is an abomination... as well as Paul’s Epistles.

You fail to understand that Jews are not "wicked" as you have moronically stated (quoting you of course):
“Because they were wicked enough (hence the 40 years of wandering to kill off the present generation) to not know how to internalize their sacrifices and teachings.”

There is no evidence that the Exodus ever happened, and I mean exactly this: they (archeologists) went looking for evidence of 2 million people living in the desert for 40 years - there isn’t any - meaning it never happened.

Also some of the so-called Mosaic Laws are not even Jewish finger of Yahweh the Fire God of war laws, they are most likely Egyptian in origin… the majority of the so-called sacred Texts, were not composed in a near-final form until around 600-400 BCE. Of course redaction continued for another 1000 or more years on the Masoretic texts.

Some parallels from the Egyptian Book of the Dead:
Egypt version:
I have not reviled thy God. (Jewish version: .  . spoken Yahweh’s name in vain).
I have not laid violent hands on an orphan.
I have not done what the God abominates . . .
I have not killed; I have not turned anyone over to a killer.  (Jewish version: Thou shalt not kill).
I have not caused anyone's suffering . . .
I have not copulated (illicitly); I have not been unchaste. (Jewish version: Thou shalt not commit adultery).
I have not increased nor diminished the measure, I have not diminished the palm; I have not encroached upon the fields.
I have not added to the balance weights;
have not tempered with the plumb bob of the balance.
I have not taken milk from a child's mouth; I have not driven small cattle from their herbage...
I have not stopped (the flow of) water in its seasons; I have not built a dam against flowing water.
I have not quenched a fire in its time . . .
I have not kept cattle away from the God's property.
I have not blocked the God at his processions.

So the mythical name Jesus (a Greek name construct lifted from the Septuagint, Latinized and a “J” added in 400 years ago) fulfilling the myth of Mosaic Law is absurd.

So now you’re looking for a ("cool") mood altering statement upon killing within the Bible OK, here’s one:
Psalm 137:8-9: “O daughter of Babylon, who are to be destroyed, happy the one who repays you as you have served us! Happy the one who takes and dashes your little ones against the rock!

And this killing of every inhabitant within a city-state, occurs often within the O.T., including women and children.

And nothing has been fulfilled by the mythical name and unhistorical account of Jesus.

And I stand by my statement that you are ignorant...

You are ignorant (as most people are) of what is true and untrue in the Bible.
You are ignorant about archeology (and probably science).
You are probably ignorant upon history.
You are probably ignorant of comparative mythology.
You are probably ignorant of the massive amount of critical analysis upon both the Old Testament and New Testament.
Wow, you are more evasive than most politicians.  Have a nice day, and keep reading!  Maybe you've read this...

"O that cunning plan of the evil one! O the vainness, and the frailties, and the foolishness of men! When they are learned they think they are wise, and they hearken not unto the counsel of God, for they set it aside, supposing they know of themselves, wherefore, their wisdom is foolishness and it profiteth them not. And they shall perish."

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