BF2S Forums i have a question about infantry only

tiptopT wrote:

david363 wrote:

tiptopT wrote:

Bang on, IO for the more experienced/better gamers? (as its harder)

how the fuck is it harder? u dont have to worry about the constant threat of arty

IO removes the threat from armour, pitting you mano a mano (kinda), intensifying the gameplay (hopefully - if you dont CTD ).  If your in a tank you could just sit and cap a flag, only worry bout AT/SO but in IO any class can kill you as you have no vehicle to hide in.  IO does force you to work as a team/squad and when you do the results can be very gratifying.  It all depends on how you play the game.  Is nice to have a change.

I find that it is mostly clans that do well with infantry only, as most have nearly perfected teamplay.  As long as you can work together with anyone, infantry only will be fun, but if you are lonewolf, you have almost no chance.  Unless you are BushViper being lonewolf and can cap all flags on your own.

alot of grenades, but i still get shot up a fair bit. but then.. i kinda suck.

We rarely use 'nades on our IO server; we just rape with the guns. But I have noticed on other servers how annoying the nades can be.

KylieTastic wrote:

david363 wrote:

face it.....IO is a noobs best friend, it takes no skill on IO to get kills

what a surprise - you don't like it so call those that do noobs and say its no skill!

Personally I now avoid IO servers, but when I've played on them I've gone whole rounds without dieing by hand grenades - if your standing in a place thats easy for them to chuck nades into expect to die by the nade! Yes also expect more claymores - but they only have two each so its part of IO to avoid them!

In short yes YOU HAVE TO PLAY IT DIFFERENTLY! Thats the point - and what do you expect all the armor, jet, heli whores to do when they go on IO? The arnt used to using guns so they nade and snipe (and claymore)!

It takes different skills to play IO, same as it takes different skill to play other maps, or different classes.... many people cant adjust so just call people noobs (because that takes no skill as well)

david363 is right. IO is a noobs best friend. Why? Because you are taking away everything that they cannot return fire against with a medic kit.
A tank is sat there spawnraping. Heres an idea. Put some AT rockets into it. Simple enough. Yes, it means that you might have to delve away from your oh so precious medic or support kit and lose a few valuable revive points. Oh no3s!
All you have to do now on IO, is run forward throwing nades and planting claymores everywhere. Thats not skill - thats a noob fest. Or, karkand as I like to call it.
On IO, you do not have to worry about arty, jets, helis or armour. Hell, even an FAV sat gunning you down. You have fuck all to worry about, fuck all to avoid, fuck all to realise and take into account about your surroundings and fuck all to make the game intense. You even have fuck all to get you about the map, you have fuck all for the commander to do and fuck all for a variety of maps to play. Not only that, but the spec ops have fuck all assets to destroy.

KylieTastic, you make a BIG assumption about "all vehicle whores are shit on the ground". LMAO, you could not be further from the truth. You know nothing about so called "vehicle whores". No, it doesnt require much skill to sit with an APC at a spawnpoint spawnraping...but it does require more skill to stay alive, avoiding spec ops/AT mines and AT rockets to keep that going. Not only that, but try playing Chinese maps without any form of vehicle.
Just because someone uses a vehicle a lot, so fucking what? Does that mean they cant do fuck all on the ground without their apparant "precious tank"? No, it does not.

From what I can see in this post, mostly Sergants and lower ranks (i.e. less experience, less time in the game and less knowledge of the game) say that IO rocks. Why? Because they are sick are getting pwned by arty and all they wana do is throw nades all round, every round.

I play about half my time on the ground and half my time in vehicles - NOT SPAWNRAPING, and have avoided Karkand since May this year. I have experience in a lot of this game (nothing compared to some though) and can honestly say, that IO not only sucks major ass, but it completely unbalances any map in which it is available.
Each map is designed and gameplay tuned to suit the map itself. Especially in terms of vehicles. That is why Iron Gator cannot be played IO...because its designed for vehicles to transport troops to the carrier and raid it that way.

You all complain of arty and tanks spawnraping, well, heres some food for thought:

1) Without arty and tanks, it would be a nonstop nade fest at karkand hotel ALL ROUND. With these additions, it helps to move the game along. Not by much though.
2) Sick of the armour spawnraping and arty? Try a non city map. Arty has a fuck all role in those maps and spawnraping doesnt happen, since 70-80% of each team is in vehicles.

I will avoid any, and all IO servers in this game as long as I play it. I intend to play the game how it was originally designed - to include all aspects of a modern day battlefield and none of this pussy IO shit.

Snake wrote:

...KylieTastic, you make a BIG assumption about "all vehicle whores are shit on the ground". LMAO, you could not be further from the truth....

That was why I put - The only "vehicle whores" I have a problem with - are the ones that only whore, TK for "there" vehicle, stand on the exact respawn point and moan (or kick/ban) if you kill them!!, or my pet hate.... on wake (US) - not use the jets, heli to help get a foot hold

Snake wrote:

From what I can see in this post, mostly Sergeants and lower ranks (i.e. less experience, less time in the game and less knowledge of the game) say that IO rocks. Why? Because they are sick are getting pwned by arty and all they wana do is throw nades all round, every round.

or maybe because most people are "Sergeants and lower"? and those that arnt have been playing along time and (quiet rightly in some ways) don't want people fucking with there game. which would be true if you had to play IO.

Snake wrote:

....but it completely unbalances any map in which it is available.....

I agree it IS so shite on many, but most the problems I've found are people not adapting!

Karkland: Yes if the MEC come way forward, the US will sit on the hill nadeing!! MEC should hang back and snipe, or stay back and make the US come off the hill. and the US should not just go for the hotel!!!

Warlard: sucks arse on IO often because so many think its all about getting that one flag! and the reason I hate most IO matches is because people let the flag count stay uneven for so long that its not the hour+ long, easy stats-padding fest people complain off - but instead the tickets zoom down and its game over!

Snake wrote:

You all complain of arty and tanks spawnraping .....

Er... do they/we?? In all these post I cant say I've seen many (any?) people complain about the arty - most people I know only complain about arty on NCB (especially on the ship in Wake!)

I actually think more people complain about the Heli and Jet whores..... I would have loved to play a no-attack air craft mode. A great Heli pilot/gunner pair can make a game so boring - don't get me wrong I don't doubt the skill, but if they are good they can easily kill loads per time they die, and they get the instant re-spawn of the Heli and are back for revenge on you 30 seconds later.

Snake wrote:

I will avoid any, and all IO servers in this game as long as I play it.

Aye, you and many others - and that number will grow and grow.....

Snake wrote:

I intend to play the game how it was originally designed

Well now part of the design is IO mode. Its an option, same as many only play a couple of maps, or mainly vehicles, or only 1 or 2 classes..... options are GOOD - the ones that are crap will be ignored and not cause anyone any problems

Snake wrote:

to include all aspects of a modern day battlefield

On the real battlefield its often one sided; unbalanced; in some fields of operation you will find a booby trap (claymore) in every building you rush blindly into; oh and the biggie.... tanks, helis and jets (especially helis in say the gulf war) are very finite resources - not endlessly spawning items and back on you in 30 seconds.

Snake wrote:

none of this pussy IO shit.

You had to spoilt it - and go for the abuse! OK credit for not calling it "noob IO shit" - just "IO shit" would have been cool - but the pussy bit? Why?
A good player still kicks arse against the pussys/noobs/un-skilled/un-thinking in IO.

Whoever said "IO is harder and takes more skill"...not simply wrong, but completely illogical.

No arty, no jets, no tanks, nothing to worry about.
Any decent vanilla infantry man would own every single IO-only player. A "standard" ground pounder is used to worry about so many different things, to find alternate routes, while the average IO player is just a dumb grenade spammer.

I agree, IO requires more skill than some kind of vehicle whoring (tank on karkand/mashtuur, j-10 on wake, havok on Sharqi), but "IO requires more skill period" is just stupid.

Last edited by The_Jester (2006-09-21 11:35:13)

Polux wrote:

Go play on Rubberducky #2 Jalalala and Karkand 64 players on 16 p maps.....

Well yes 64 players on 16-palyer-maps is just stupid - IO or not!

The_Jester wrote:

Whoever said "IO is harder and takes more skill"...not simply wrong, but completely illogical.

No arty, no jets, no tanks, nothing to worry about.
Any decent vanilla infantry man would own every single IO-only player. A "standard" ground pounder is used to worry about so many different things, to find alternate routes, while the average IO player is just a dumb grenade spammer.

I agree, IO requires more skill than some kind of vehicle whoring (tank on karkand/mashtuur, j-10 on wake, havok on Sharqi), but "IO requires more skill period" is just stupid.

Ok, yes, if you're on the ground, then yes, you do have to worry about the occaisional strafe or TV coming at you.  The point being..which is harder to play: (a) Rifleman vs. Rifelman or (b) Tank/J10/Cobra vs. Rifleman.  Easily the man vs. man is what requires as much defense as it does offense.  Also, if two rifle men are running for each other, that intensity requires so much more skillful decision making than if you were in a helo where you don't die from a head shot or 4 rounds to the body.

LOL, IO is sweet.  I'm just mediocre as infantry,save sniping , and a reasonably good tanker, but my BRS of 161 was due to IO.  Ghost Town: use the plentiful cover, watch for claymores, use the roofs instead of alleys, and avoid the obvious nade areas.  And most importantly, team up.

From my own experience, 64 player 64 map Jalalabad, USMC will always win due to there uncap advantage.  Assault, Medic, Support lead, covered by snipers and head for the back flags.  Of those gams I've played as USMC, we've almost always won.

The_Jester wrote:

Any decent vanilla infantry man would own every single IO-only player.

pffftttt you obviously haven't played IO.

I die most from AK-101/M4/M16/PKM/PRK and some other weapons. Unless I'm a sniper then I die from other snipers but I kill them more than they kill me.

Some of the best games I've had were IO, because you dont have some douche roll up in a tank thinking he's all 'leet'.

Lately I've found more often then not, that most of my kills in vanilla are from APCs and or tanks, because the 'new' people dont know how to play any other way. Too many times a decent infantry fire fight is ruined because someone in a tank who cant show some respect comes and ruins it.