BF2S Forums No snipers when money is on the line

{RR}SinisterCaesarSalad wrote:

WOW.  Some of you guys need to take a break from this game and go get laid or something.  Some of you probably need to pay for it, but please, at least TRY.

I bet in most of their cases your right, these guys are a little too wound up. Getting laid for me resulted in marriage and then my friend, you are saying to yourself " I need to get away from her and play BF2"!

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Mmm mmm I'm lovin' it.

polarbearz wrote:

Sorry come again? Scrutinize the stats carefully...

How about you scrutinize a little more carefully...

... And if you disagree take your stupid useless class and shove it up your ass.

Aww, did I touch a nerve? Touchy touchy, does liddle bearziepoo need a hug?

Now in all seriousness, you can't possibly be trying to make a point about using actual judgment when assessing something... can you??? You make sweeping generalisations about the sniper kit (and bless you, you did it again in your post above) and its usefulness, and the people who elect to use it... awesome, good, indifferent or useless... and you expect someone to adopt a higher standard just because it suits you? Do you even know the meaning of the word irony?

You: vehicle Usage 69%+ for the last five months; based on that why would you think someone should give your opinion on something to do with infantry play as much weight as you think it should have?

polarbearz wrote:

How about YOU? Ever spent anytime playing something else beside your stupid sniper class and karkand? Ever stepped in a map with PLA, EF or AF before? For any extended periods of time? At least I play every map as it is, not just Mappack Karkand.

The only thing I'm halfway decent at in BF2 is sniper so that's what I play. Even if I had the right kind of reflexes to play up close and personal with automatic weapons my connection and computer aren't really up to it.

What do PLA and EF/AF have to do with each other by the way?

polarbearz wrote:

Don't give me the usual bullshit answer: 'Oh I hate getting raped by XXX vehicle so I like infantry in karkand'.

You didn't even use your own suggestion for this post. Man oh man. I don't play Karkand if I can avoid it, the only reason I have as much time on it as I do, on my first account, (still, less that 23%) is because I didn't know any better earlier on. That's the same reason my WLR was so poor, the same reason my KDR sucked, the same reason my accuracy was so low and the same reason I have four or five Purple Hearts.

polarbearz wrote:

Sniper is for public games and to be tolerated.

Your gracious allowance for us to be tolerated is noted, oh great one.

polarbearz wrote:

Sure, you top 3 a few rounds, how many screenies do you have to post?

The point of me posting screenshots is that I'm about average and I can do well with the goddamn kit, fighting with it the way it's not 'supposed' to be used what's more, which should be something that's impossible if the class is useless. You take someone with better reflexes, a great connection and kickass hardware and they'd blow the "snipers are useless" thing out of the water completely. Wait, we know a couple of guys just like that here... but then they're invisible to you too, aren't they?

polarbearz wrote:

Mmmmm. No. I'm bored of that approach too, so I think I'll take on a more in-your-face, bash-your-stupid-fucking-sniper-numbskull kind of approach.

And as for this bit, I love how little boys can use the anonymity of the Internet to act all tough. ROFLMAO

polarbearz wrote:

Dirtracer90 wrote:

there was no need to to tell me to f*ck off seriously i was just stating my experiences in a calm manner stating a theory we have used and wasnt aimed at anyone just in general

I'm sorry if I came off as a little strong, got a little heated answering Todd_Angelo's post.

A little? You know it's a dang shame we don't live in a more civilised age when a glove to the face would have been your answer. And then we'd see how much computer-game skills would help you from real ownage

stryyker wrote:

Todd_Angelo do you really have to post screens of yourself as a sniper in EVERY FUCKING THREAD THAT ENVOLVES SNIPERS? honest to fuck, dont care.

Awww, and imagine how little I care that you don't. I don't do it every thread (exaggerating to try to make your point, as usual) but now? I might just make it a habit.


This is mostly directed at the OP but take it or leave it anyone else: I, and all the other people who like to play sniper, don't care that you, or anybody else, think the kit is useless.

Poor players make poor snipers, but poor players can suck just as much playing any other class FFS! They're the same guys playing medic who don't revive you despite you being 2m behind them because they haven't taken the time to learn what "Medic!" sounds like in Arabic or Mandarin or they don't realise what shock paddles are for, the same guys playing support that won't give you ammo even when you jump up and down in front of them with an ammo symbol over your head, the same guys who play spec ops that don't realise the carbines are less powerful than the assault rifles and wonder why they get killed so much... You've seen these and many other types of poor/inexperienced players in all in your time on the battlefield, you probably don't notice them any more as they're the ones you kill easily and walk over their corpse on the way to capping a flag, the bottom 11 on the scoreboard of a full 64-player map with KDRs less than 0.5 that nobody half decent ever sees unless they actually scroll down to look, they're the cannon fodder that help give us the scores and ratios we all enjoy.

Just don't make the mistake of saying it's just snipers because you're wrong now, you were wrong the last ten times you said it and you'll be wrong the next fifty times too. But if you want to continue to post your biased opinions about the kit then we'll continue to argue our side of it and there's not a damned thing you can do about it. And if that somehow upsets your worldview then go whine to your long-suffering mother, girlfriend, wife or life-partner, who might actually pretend to care.

snipers are lame and dont have any skill. im sorry if you are the l337 sniper with 70%+ acc. but really, what are you doing for your team?

Todd_Angelo wrote:

You: vehicle Usage 69%+ for the last five months; based on that why would you think someone should give your opinion on something to do with infantry play as much weight as you think it should have?

Simply because the discussion here is on the value of the sniper class in a competition, and it has somehow digressed due to the general stupidity of the sniper community into the usefulness of the sniper in public games. As a active participant in a competitive team and a spectator in many more matches, I'm giving my point of view based on what I've seen go on in competitive play. How about you then? I highly doubt you've as much as earned a single cent from playing BF2, nor do you have extended exposure to the competitive side of BF2, doesn't that render your opinion worthless - since put crudely: You know just about jackshit about competitive gaming.

Todd_Angelo wrote:

The only thing I'm halfway decent at in BF2 is sniper so that's what I play. Even if I had the right kind of reflexes to play up close and personal with automatic weapons my connection and computer aren't really up to it.

There're excuses for everything. Go on long enough you can start a discourse on whether the sea is salt or the earth is flat or not. The fact remains that its because of rigid, stupid people like yourself, the sniper culture is NEVER going to die.

Todd_Angelo wrote:

What do PLA and EF/AF have to do with each other by the way?

Learn to read: have you tried any map besides 24/7 city maps and 24/7 wake? Maybe your precious sniper won't be that useful then.

Todd_Angelo wrote:

You didn't even use your own suggestion for this post. Man oh man. I don't play Karkand if I can avoid it, the only reason I have as much time on it as I do, on my first account, (still, less that 23%) is because I didn't know any better earlier on. That's the same reason my WLR was so poor, the same reason my KDR sucked, the same reason my accuracy was so low and the same reason I have four or five Purple Hearts.

There you go again. Excuses excuses, there's always an explaination for everything. Fact remains that you play a stupid, lone wolf class that contributes just about NOTHING to the team - which is why your WLR sucks balls.

Todd_Angelo wrote:

The point of me posting screenshots is that I'm about average and I can do well with the goddamn kit, fighting with it the way it's not 'supposed' to be used what's more, which should be something that's impossible if the class is useless. You take someone with better reflexes, a great connection and kickass hardware and they'd blow the "snipers are useless" thing out of the water completely. Wait, we know a couple of guys just like that here... but then they're invisible to you too, aren't they?

Every dog has its day. Any tom dick and harry can get lucky once or twice in a 1000++ games to get a few top rounds. It doesn't prove anything besides maybe: you got lucky.

And yes, I realise the presence of a few greats in our midst. dont_be_ss, Nyte, Books, Sinnfein just to name the few players that I've had INCREDIBLE respect for, I have NOTHING but credit for their sniping ability and the insane proficiency they have at playing this supposedly useless class. But to me, they're exceptions to the cause. Nyte, for example, in ALL his videos show himself capping flags, hitting the frontlines. This itself, already garners respect from me. Or if you have the awesome accuracy of any of them, to drop people so fast.

And oh, by the way, I've been here longer than you have, and I've seen more skilled people come and go. So, nope, they're not invisible to me, you're just up to your neck in your own stupid sniper community to see.

Todd_Angelo wrote:

And as for this bit, I love how little boys can use the anonymity of the Internet to act all tough. ROFLMAO. A little? You know it's a dang shame we don't live in a more civilised age when a glove to the face would have been your answer. And then we'd see how much computer-game skills would help you from real ownage

Yawn. You would actually retract that statement pretty quickly if you've seen me IRL. I don't need to blow my own trumpet or make threats over the internet unlike you, and unlike you once again, I can very very well hold my own if anyone decides to try to physically threaten me in real life I've played rugby for 8 years to date, and I currently teach Body Combat, Muay Thai, and CQC. Sadly though, you're halfway around the world so I can't prove this to you, so all this is going to go is for us to hurl empty threats at each other *shrug*

Todd_Angelo wrote:

This is mostly directed at the OP but take it or leave it anyone else: I, and all the other people who like to play sniper, don't care that you, or anybody else, think the kit is useless.

If you didn't care you wouldn't have posted in here.

Todd_Angelo wrote:

Poor players make poor snipers, but poor players can suck just as much playing any other class FFS! They're the same guys playing medic who don't revive you despite you being 2m behind them because they haven't taken the time to learn what "Medic!" sounds like in Arabic or Mandarin or they don't realise what shock paddles are for, the same guys playing support that won't give you ammo even when you jump up and down in front of them with an ammo symbol over your head, the same guys who play spec ops that don't realise the carbines are less powerful than the assault rifles and wonder why they get killed so much... You've seen these and many other types of poor/inexperienced players in all in your time on the battlefield, you probably don't notice them any more as they're the ones you kill easily and walk over their corpse on the way to capping a flag, the bottom 11 on the scoreboard of a full 64-player map with KDRs less than 0.5 that nobody half decent ever sees unless they actually scroll down to look, they're the cannon fodder that help give us the scores and ratios we all enjoy.

Blah blah blah. But I already answered the point, even if he sucked, he would be a meatshield, he would be contributing by just standing in the flag radius to shorten capping/neutralising time by just that few precious seconds.

Todd_Angelo wrote:

Just don't make the mistake of saying it's just snipers because you're wrong now, you were wrong the last ten times you said it and you'll be wrong the next fifty times too. But if you want to continue to post your biased opinions about the kit then we'll continue to argue our side of it and there's not a damned thing you can do about it. And if that somehow upsets your worldview then go whine to your long-suffering mother, girlfriend, wife or life-partner, who might actually pretend to care.

Lol.

I killed a whole squad on my own yesterday with the m95, i was standing behind a wall on karkand, they were running toward me, but i kept picking them off one by one, this support guy was giving me some supporting fire.

I swiftly pwn3d the whole squad and after my triumphant pwnage, i saw about 10 guys running round the corner so i ran off like all the good snipers do.

LOL

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In a match I usually team up with a Support Class. He drops the ammo for the Clays near a choke point or a flag. He also covers my ass in CQB. I take care of the spotting and protecting him from enemies. The trick is not to be near eachother but somewhere in a diagonal, where I usually take the forward position if we are near a flag. If we are near a choke point I take the rear position.

polarbearz wrote:

Todd_Angelo wrote:

You: vehicle Usage 69%+ for the last five months; based on that why would you think someone should give your opinion on something to do with infantry play as much weight as you think it should have?

Simply because the discussion here is on the value of the sniper class in a competition...

Fair enough, that is what the opening thread was about. However it's part of a larger picture and that's what I, and other snipers, feel we have to defend.

polarbearz wrote:

...and it has somehow digressed due to the general stupidity of the sniper community...

This coming from a mental giant like yourself who resorts to bully-boy tactics and attempted intimidation to win an argument. This is such a good debating ploy; it ads so much credence to your position. Really.

polarbearz wrote:

As a active participant in a competitive team and a spectator in many more matches, I'm giving my point of view based on what I've seen go on in competitive play.

And yet there are other people posting in this thread who, unlike me, do play competitively and have said that snipers do sometimes feature.

polarbearz wrote:

...doesn't that render your opinion worthless - since put crudely: You know just about jackshit about competitive gaming.

Well maybe. But as a rule you don't have to be good at something to offer constructive input, particularly if you're more intelligent than average.

polarbearz wrote:

Todd_Angelo wrote:

The only thing I'm halfway decent at in BF2 is sniper so that's what I play. Even if I had the right kind of reflexes to play up close and personal with automatic weapons my connection and computer aren't really up to it.

There're excuses for everything.

Excuses?

polarbearz wrote:

Go on long enough you can start a discourse on whether the sea is salt or the earth is flat or not.

Non sequitur much?

polarbearz wrote:

The fact remains that its because of rigid, stupid people like yourself, the sniper culture is NEVER going to die.

polarbearz wrote:

Todd_Angelo wrote:

What do PLA and EF/AF have to do with each other by the way?

Learn to read:

I need to learn to read?

polarbearz wrote:

Ever stepped in a map with PLA, EF or AF before?

polarbearz wrote:

...have you tried any map besides 24/7 city maps and 24/7 wake? Maybe your precious sniper won't be that useful then.

I play sniper, so I play maps where snipers are worth having.

Duh.

Like which guy who only had skills as a jet pilot would play on maps without planes? LOL

polarbearz wrote:

Todd_Angelo wrote:

You didn't even use your own suggestion for this post. Man oh man. I don't play Karkand if I can avoid it, the only reason I have as much time on it as I do, on my first account, (still, less that 23%) is because I didn't know any better earlier on. That's the same reason my WLR was so poor, the same reason my KDR sucked, the same reason my accuracy was so low and the same reason I have four or five Purple Hearts.

There you go again. Excuses excuses, there's always an explaination for everything.

Yes, an explanation, not an excuse. Learn the difference before attempting to use this as an argumentative chip. Man, you write well but you so need a dictionary.

And you need to read a little more carefully; you didn't notice the past tense.

polarbearz wrote:

Fact remains that you play a stupid, lone wolf class that contributes just about NOTHING to the team -

Who's mixing up public-server play with competitive play now?

polarbearz wrote:

...which is why your WLR sucks balls.

LOL, nice try at a burn.

polarbearz wrote:

Todd_Angelo wrote:

The point of me posting screenshots is that I'm about average and I can do well with the goddamn kit, fighting with it the way it's not 'supposed' to be used what's more, which should be something that's impossible if the class is useless. You take someone with better reflexes, a great connection and kickass hardware and they'd blow the "snipers are useless" thing out of the water completely. Wait, we know a couple of guys just like that here... but then they're invisible to you too, aren't they?

Every dog has its day. Any tom dick and harry can get lucky once or twice in a 1000++ games to get a few top rounds. It doesn't prove anything besides maybe: you got lucky.

I love it, classic stuff: because you're arguing with me I of course have to suck and it has to be luck. Yeah, I stood in one spot for 25 minutes and fortunate for me 41 guys ran in front of my scope and I got a KDR of 3.4, while defending flags a half-dozen times; or another time 43 guys passed by my hiding spot, I got a KDR of 2.5 and defended 13 flags; and another game when 54 guys ran past and I got a KDR of 5 and defended 11 flags. Man, I must be the luckiest guy in the world! Go me; maybe I should try the lottery?

One thing I'm pretty sure of: you couldn't do the same, again and again. Now this is your cue to say you wouldn't want to because the class is useless, or you wouldn't waste your time, something like that. For the record: that would be an excuse

polarbearz wrote:

And yes, I realise the presence of a few greats in our midst. dont_be_ss, Nyte, Books, Sinnfein just to name the few players that I've had INCREDIBLE respect for, I have NOTHING but credit for their sniping ability and the insane proficiency they have at playing this supposedly useless class. But to me, they're exceptions to the cause.

Hehe.

polarbearz wrote:

Nyte, for example, in ALL his videos show himself capping flags, hitting the frontlines. This itself, already garners respect from me.

It does? Oh good, check the flag points/min:
http://www.statpadder.com:8080/bf2calc/ … 1152246960
http://www.statpadder.com:8080/bf2calc/ … 1152296460

polarbearz wrote:

Todd_Angelo wrote:

And as for this bit, I love how little boys can use the anonymity of the Internet to act all tough. ROFLMAO. A little? You know it's a dang shame we don't live in a more civilised age when a glove to the face would have been your answer. And then we'd see how much computer-game skills would help you from real ownage

Yawn. You would actually retract that statement pretty quickly if you've seen me IRL.

Yeah yeah, more empty posturing over the Internet. Believe me, I could have made just the same kind of pose on my end.

polarbearz wrote:

I don't need to blow my own trumpet...

And yet you just did.

polarbearz wrote:

...or make threats over the internet...

And yet you just did, again.

polarbearz wrote:

...and unlike you once again, I can very very well hold my own if anyone decides to try to physically threaten me in real life

Unlike me? Hahahahahaha. Making assumptions much? Dude, if you could even bench my body weight I'd be impressed

polarbearz wrote:

Sadly though, you're halfway around the world so I can't prove this to you, so all this is going to go is for us to hurl empty threats at each other *shrug*

Except I didn't hurl any empty threats at you.

BTW I hope nobody missed that bearz hops from "useless" and "stupid" to "contributes just about nothing" and "supposedly useless class" (my emphasis) as it suits him.

R3v4n wrote:

T0rr3nt wrote:

snipers are lame and dont have any skill. im sorry if you are the l337 sniper with 70%+ acc. but really, what are you doing for your team?

Did you even read the topic?

Apparently not.

DirtyMexican wrote:

You guys.. Shut the hell up already

Yeah, we so should. Even I'm bored.

umm.. doh! every sniper can made own tactic´s i believe there isin´t any certain role,only skill can made everything possible like beating any other kit whit close range battle ,if u can aim to the head and have quick reflexes  it is all u ever need to do freely what u want on battlefield and being most effective member on team (remembering avoiding vehicles, and almost averyone can do it on litle practising.)

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polarbearz wrote:

Todd_Angelo wrote:

Oh I'm sorry, is a deliberate-teamkilling aircraft whore actually attempting to infer an unlevel playing field of some kind?

Sorry come again? Scrutinize the stats carefully, I utilize every vehicle available. If there's an aircraft, I let a decent pilot fly it, or teamkill the n00b out. If there's a helo, I fly it solo or bring a good gunner. Armor, use it to support and cap, jeeps and stuff are wonderful for capping too. Before going on to my next point let me get this out in the open. Its fucking snipers like you that ruined the game for everyone else. Couldn't stand getting vehicles dropped on your stupid numbskulls. Couldn't hit prone spammers, dolphin divers. Couldn't stand people jumping and shooting the fuck out of you. Couldn't stand getting the shit raped out of you by a game that was MEANT for vehicular superiority thus resulting in the IO mode.

I could go on for ages, but I can tell you this straight in the face. Shove your stupid fuckass rifle back up your ass and go back to CS. All you snipers do are make stupid videos, wank over your '1337 238074933 headshots to date and stuff. It doesn't mean shit. Most of you are just AWP whores from CS that couldn't handle the dynamic nature of Battlefield 2, and whined enough for infantry combat to be slowed so much since the first version. But I still hold my own in clan matches and scrims, no matter how much infantry combat has been slowed and retarded I've still adapted and changed to it. While you stupid snipers are still singing your same dumbass tunes.

Todd_Angelo wrote:

With more of your own particular brand of "sniper kit is only good for the M95 to ensure the pilot's seat" BS? Oh, that'll be something to look forward to. Yawn.

Mmmmm. No. I'm bored of that approach too, so I think I'll take on a more in-your-face, bash-your-stupid-fucking-sniper-numbskull kind of approach.

Todd_Angelo wrote:

How 'bout you? Ever play outside your precious plane or helo or tank? Not much I see.

How about you scrutinize a little more carefully if you want to bring stats into the conversation? I have a LOT of time spent in other vehicles too, be it ground defense or air defense or even transport. THE VEHICLES ARE THERE, FUCKING USE IT Not cry and cry that this is overpowered, that's overpowered. Sure, jets raped hard in 1.12, I learnt to fly, while people like you went to whine about it. So even with AA as it is now I'm highly confident of having a 2nd account with a 25++ KDR in a jet. But I can't be bothered. I don't bring stats into conversations much. I'm willing to live with the insane number of deaths I got when I was learning to fly.

But I digress. Yes, I do play outside my 'precious plane or helo or tank'. I go for medals in them, simply because even though they're worthless in real life, they give me just that little smile when I hear the drumroll and the little sense of pride and achievement that I've worked for it.

How about YOU? Ever spent anytime playing something else beside your stupid sniper class and karkand? Ever stepped in a map with PLA, EF or AF before? For any extended periods of time? At least I play every map as it is, not just Mappack Karkand. Don't give me the usual bullshit answer: 'Oh I hate getting raped by XXX vehicle so I like infantry in karkand'. Put very simply, fuck you, you're in the wrong game then. Your team has the same amount of vehicles. Learn to use them or shut the fuck up.

Todd_Angelo wrote:

Blah blah blah massive amounts of screenshots.

Notice #10 spot above. And I didn't have to flop around like a dying fish for fifteen minutes either.

http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/3987 … 112ps7.jpg

Sure, you top 3 a few rounds, how many screenies do you have to post? Its barely 1% of the total games you've played. I'll use my stats for example. If I posted every single round I've come in top 3 in that'll be at LEAST 2000 shots. But it doesn't say ANYTHING. Anyone can come up with a stupid screenie saying OMG LOOK I PWN.

Sniper is for public games and to be tolerated. And have NO place in clan matches. Live with it.

... And if you disagree take your stupid useless class and shove it up your ass.

QFE&QFT

Polarbearz FTW.

I play for fun and couldn't care less about the idiots that think that everything should center around competitive play with ladders and official competitions and blah blah. 

You guys go ahead and have your fun playing "competitively" on your boring little 16 player maps and bragging to everyone how you owned the place and are somehow more skilled, or more qualified to talk about strategies and such - lol.    I'm sure the winning tactics are great on these little maps, but throw that stuff out the window when it comes to how the real game plays out with 64 people.  Most people are real players on real servers - not isolated from the dangers of 64 people and the unknown that comes from them.

Sniping is fun and I love to do it sometimes.  I'll snipe on any map, any time, I don't give a shit.  I'm not uber, but still I kill more than kill me, and I cap flags and defend, also.  I pick off other snipers and LMGs and such, and I do in fact help the team.  At any rate, *I* am more important than my team of internet avatars that I don't even know.

im_in_heaven wrote:

A good sniper is good to have. Howver, you can do way more damage (flags, kills, teamwork) to the other team by using theother classes.

I didn't want to continue this as it's really been done to death and the diehards on each side aren't interested in hearing from the other, but you might want to rethink this part of your post:
"...you can do way more damage (flags, kills ...) to the other team by using theother classes."

Teamwork, yeah, the medics almost always have the lock on that. On the right map with the right user support can get a lot of team points too. But as for flag points and kills snipers can do just as well as either of those two classes and better, and no question better than assault, spec ops, AT and engineer typically (on foot, obviously engies in AFVs can do really well).