BF2S Forums Do you like the way your taxes are being spent?

Kmarion wrote:

Have you ever started a topic about your country ? Just curios.

Last edited by sergeriver (2006-09-12 05:25:03)

sergeriver wrote:

Bernadictus wrote:

Just wait untill Americans are to pay the Dutch rates. We pay 19% tax over all non-food stuff. Where your's is 8,5%?

In Argentina it's 21% over all the products.

sergeriver wrote:

This is for American citizens, since they pay taxes in US, they have the right to debate about how their money is being spent.  You may debate the way they are spending your money and the way you would like it to be spent.

Domestic issues option: includes things like health system, education, rebuilding N.O., preventing N.O. to get fucked again, citizens security, and other stuff.

Foreign Affairs option: includes supporting other countries with money and/or equipment to defend it from other countries f.i. Israel, sending soldiers 12000 miles away to support a country or to free a country from dictatorships, get involved in any war against a threat to the world.

Both options: these would include the two options above, but you would have to distribute the money in each option.

Pleasde don't take it on me, I won't take part in the debate, I only want to see what do you guys want.
After all theese threads talking about if war is right or wrong and about Bush administration, what do you think?

sergeriver wrote:

I would go away, I know it's your money.  But you know what?  When you decide to go into a war you affect a lot of countries.  We had two attacks here in Argentina after the first Gulf War.  They killed more than 200 people.  And I asked myself what the fuck do we have to do with this?  If Israel hadn't maintained this policy in the Middle East supported by US and UK, then we hadn't been attacked.
I don't care about your money, I care about my own country security.

sergeriver wrote:

Pug wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

I would go away, I know it's your money.  But you know what?  When you decide to go into a war you affect a lot of countries.  We had two attacks here in Argentina after the first Gulf War.  They killed more than 200 people.  And I asked myself what the fuck do we have to do with this?  If Israel hadn't maintained this policy in the Middle East supported by US and UK, then we hadn't been attacked.
I don't care about your money, I care about my own country security.

I sorry that happened - what/when/how?

Can you share?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_Em … enos_Aires

sergeriver wrote:

Pug wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_Em … enos_Aires

I'm sorry that your fellow countrymen died - I do not want to cause any disrespect.  But that's an attack on the Israelis.

All the people who died were Argentine.  Tey were two attacks to Israelis targets, but why did those happen?

According to wikipedia:
Israel Embassy Attack:
A group called Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility; their stated motive for the attack was Israel's assassination of Hezbollah leader Sheikh Abbas al-Musawi. On February 16, 1992, Israeli helicopters had attacked a motorcade in southern Lebanon, killing Musawi, his wife, son, and four others. Israel said the attack had been planned as an assassination attempt.
AMIA Bombing:
Argentina, Israel and the US[1] suspect that Hezbollah was behind the attack, with backing from Iran. Hezbollah denies responsibility.[2] Israeli diplomatic sources who read the "final" report by SIDE on the attack said in 2003 that the attack was a suicide bombing carried out by Ibrahim Hussein Berro, a 29-year-old Muslim who has been honored with a plaque in southern Lebanon for his "martyrdom" on July 18, 1994, the date of the bombing.

I'm sure if Israel wouldn't be such a terrorist state, we would be safer.  That won't happen until US stop supporting Israel.  Now, do you understand?

Pug wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

Pug wrote:

I'm sorry that your fellow countrymen died - I do not want to cause any disrespect.  But that's an attack on the Israelis.

All the people who died were Argentine.  Tey were two attacks to Israelis targets, but why did those happen?

According to wikipedia:
Israel Embassy Attack:
A group called Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility; their stated motive for the attack was Israel's assassination of Hezbollah leader Sheikh Abbas al-Musawi. On February 16, 1992, Israeli helicopters had attacked a motorcade in southern Lebanon, killing Musawi, his wife, son, and four others. Israel said the attack had been planned as an assassination attempt.
AMIA Bombing:
Argentina, Israel and the US[1] suspect that Hezbollah was behind the attack, with backing from Iran. Hezbollah denies responsibility.[2] Israeli diplomatic sources who read the "final" report by SIDE on the attack said in 2003 that the attack was a suicide bombing carried out by Ibrahim Hussein Berro, a 29-year-old Muslim who has been honored with a plaque in southern Lebanon for his "martyrdom" on July 18, 1994, the date of the bombing.

I'm sure if Israel wouldn't be such a terrorist state, we would be safer.  That won't happen until US stop supporting Israel.  Now, do you understand?

Ok, sorry.  I didn't not follow some of the links in the one that you provided.  It did say everything is allegations - but I'll take them as truth.  (By the way I would not make a great police officer - I'd be arresting everyone.  I believe that proven links to unsavory people/ways = prison time).

I understand what you are saying.  This is another version of blame Israel/US or blame the terrorists.

I'm going to blame the terrorists.  You are not.  Debate over.

Pug wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

I do blame the terrorists.  But the motivation they had came from Israel terrorism acts on Palestine, Lebanon and else.  In fact I blame all the terrorists involved, those who bombed the two places and Israel.  US has some responsibility since it's always backing Israel.

I blame Argentina for having an Israeli embassy to bomb.

Edit: Sorry, lost my temper.  I'm tried of having the US being blamed for everything.  The above is an example of the logic you are using...in my opinion.

Last edited by sergeriver (2006-09-12 08:04:38)

Pug wrote:

Please accept my apology.  I did not mean to disrespect you, your opinion, or your countrymen in anyway.

Back on topic:
Domestic issues get you reelected.
Foreign issues are long-term thinking.

Should be a good debate.

About a year ago I read a plan for eliminating world hunger - a Robin Hood type plan.  The payoff would be an overall economic benefit for the entire globe - developing the economies of the underpriviledged countries. 

I think some of the reaction you are getting is based on foreign military aid.  Too bad you didn't make it "Foreign aid - non-military", "Foreign aid - military", and "Domestic" in a multiple select poll.  Obviously we cannot eliminate all three.  There is a progressive argument FOR military aid.  The problem isn't GIVING foreign military aid, it's the politics behind WHERE its going.

I think we are giving Israel aid out of convenience - they are affront to so-called "enemies" of the US.  So it's sort of like the lesser of two evils.