BigmacK
Back from the Dead.
+628|7053|Chicago.
Well, my BF2 buddy and close friend has a system set up with a 1600 Pro. One day after playing BF2, he shut the system down and went to bed. Woke up the next morning, and the computer wouldn't boot up.

He thinks that his GPU is dead. I suggest not, but I'm no expert. He says on the back pannel of the card, the diagnostic lights are the following colors in the order I'll type them: yellow, green, yellow, green.

What significance does this have? Is the card dead? If not, what could the problem be?
MECtallica
Member
+73|6807|jalalabad
I dunno, he sounds screwed
BigmacK
Back from the Dead.
+628|7053|Chicago.
Seriously, could the card be dead?

ATM, he's re-installed his old card, (not BF2 capable), and it boots and works fine.

Is there something he can check to see if the 1600 failed?
Slayer
---hates you
+1,137|7059|Hell, p.o box 666

well just put his card in another rig (like yours) if you got the same GPU interface. No screen no boot, it´s screwed.
a fly
Member
+105|6947|The netherlands
without video card a system can boot. i dont if that also is if the card is still in the slot. but i think so.
ShotYourSix
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+196|7022|Las Vegas
Depends whether it has onboard video and whether it is enabled in the BIOS.
BigmacK
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+628|7053|Chicago.
Okay, its been established that the card is dead. Does anybody know what could have caused its pre-mature demise?
RichyCizzo
Member
+9|6781|Florida
Probably because you guys have a horrendous power supply that doesnt keep feeding power even after shutdown to give time for the CPU and the GPU to cool down instead of an abrupt system power off
Jbrar
rawr
+86|6844|Winterpeg, Canada

RichyCizzo wrote:

Probably because you guys have a horrendous power supply that doesnt keep feeding power even after shutdown to give time for the CPU and the GPU to cool down instead of an abrupt system power off
he sounds like he knows what he's talking about.
BigmacK
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+628|7053|Chicago.
Yeah. He's running a Dell 8400 like me, but his mobo is a micro and he dosen't have too large of a PSU. Thats gotta be it.

Thanks for the help.

Edit:

Good news, he had a 1 year warranty on the card from ATI, so they're shipping out a new one, no questions asked. Win. lol.

Last edited by BigmacK (2006-09-10 10:44:09)

jamesjosephkilroy
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+3|6973|Kentucky U.S.A.
Upgrade the PSU!
max
Vela Incident
+1,652|6870|NYC / Hamburg

RichyCizzo wrote:

Probably because you guys have a horrendous power supply that doesnt keep feeding power even after shutdown to give time for the CPU and the GPU to cool down instead of an abrupt system power off
why would i feed power to something if i want it to cool down? when you shut down your pc, everything should be off. i have in fact never heared of a psu that will feed power to the cpu/gpu after shutdown. and wouldnt this largely be a mobo setting as it regulates all the power that goes to the cpu (and also mainly to the gpu)? the psu only does what the mobo tells it to do (green wire shorted = on, not shorted = off). i doubt that it would be a good idea if the psu went against this rule.

please enlighten me

EDIT: and if you were talking about the psu fans spinning for 5min or so after shutdown, that is an utterly useless function and wont do anything to help your pc live longer

Last edited by max (2006-09-11 16:37:08)

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Wee and Biscuits
+43|6836|Cardiff
for future reference its always worth checking to see if teh fans clocked up with shite.  i got a long haired persian and my fans get minging covered in really fine cat hair well quickly......dyson ftw!
DSRTurtle
Member
+56|6988
The power runs the fan, but nothing else.  The spinning fan allows the GPU to cool down in more orderly fashion than a complete cutoff of power and cooling.
RichyCizzo
Member
+9|6781|Florida

max wrote:

RichyCizzo wrote:

Probably because you guys have a horrendous power supply that doesnt keep feeding power even after shutdown to give time for the CPU and the GPU to cool down instead of an abrupt system power off
why would i feed power to something if i want it to cool down? when you shut down your pc, everything should be off. i have in fact never heared of a psu that will feed power to the cpu/gpu after shutdown. and wouldnt this largely be a mobo setting as it regulates all the power that goes to the cpu (and also mainly to the gpu)? the psu only does what the mobo tells it to do (green wire shorted = on, not shorted = off). i doubt that it would be a good idea if the psu went against this rule.

please enlighten me

EDIT: and if you were talking about the psu fans spinning for 5min or so after shutdown, that is an utterly useless function and wont do anything to help your pc live longer
I've had 3 processors under warranty die on me before I realized that was the problem. So please, don't say it's a useless option. And what i meant was it feeding just enough power to run the fans for a few more mins.

Think of it this way, when you boil hot water and then remove it from the stove abruptly, is it still boiling?
max
Vela Incident
+1,652|6870|NYC / Hamburg

RichyCizzo wrote:

max wrote:

RichyCizzo wrote:

Probably because you guys have a horrendous power supply that doesnt keep feeding power even after shutdown to give time for the CPU and the GPU to cool down instead of an abrupt system power off
why would i feed power to something if i want it to cool down? when you shut down your pc, everything should be off. i have in fact never heared of a psu that will feed power to the cpu/gpu after shutdown. and wouldnt this largely be a mobo setting as it regulates all the power that goes to the cpu (and also mainly to the gpu)? the psu only does what the mobo tells it to do (green wire shorted = on, not shorted = off). i doubt that it would be a good idea if the psu went against this rule.

please enlighten me

EDIT: and if you were talking about the psu fans spinning for 5min or so after shutdown, that is an utterly useless function and wont do anything to help your pc live longer
I've had 3 processors under warranty die on me before I realized that was the problem. So please, don't say it's a useless option. And what i meant was it feeding just enough power to run the fans for a few more mins.

Think of it this way, when you boil hot water and then remove it from the stove abruptly, is it still boiling?
can you link me to a psu as an example?

just to get this straight, you are saying that the psu will supply power to the gfx card and the mobo after the system has shut down and keep the fan spinning.

or am i misunderstanding and just the psu fans spin. because this wont help because heat transfer over different components is pretty bad and the surrounding components therefore wont really heat up. also the thermal capacity of a cpu or similar it is very low (i.e. there is not a lot of energy stored in it as heat, so it will cool down quickly without releasing much energy to its surroundings).

if your cpus died (which are probabely pretty much the hottest component in a pc, so it can never even theoretically go over the temp at which it was shut down), you probabely have used an insufficient heatsink or have very bad airflow causeing your cpu to overheat when on. think of it as your teakettle example. if you take the kettle off the stove (which would correspond to your normal operation temp, which should be below the max temp for the cpu), it wont instantaneously drop to room temperature but will never get any hotter (which might be problematic).

Last edited by max (2006-09-11 17:10:08)

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DSRTurtle
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The spinning fans continue to draw heat away from the CPU/GPU chips.  They continue to cool the chips until they have reached a predetermined temp then shut off.
max
Vela Incident
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DSRTurtle wrote:

The spinning fans continue to draw heat away from the CPU/GPU chips.  They continue to cool the chips until they have reached a predetermined temp then shut off.
the spinning fans of what?
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DSRTurtle
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+56|6988

max wrote:

DSRTurtle wrote:

The spinning fans continue to draw heat away from the CPU/GPU chips.  They continue to cool the chips until they have reached a predetermined temp then shut off.
the spinning fans of what?
On the CPU and GPU.
max
Vela Incident
+1,652|6870|NYC / Hamburg

DSRTurtle wrote:

max wrote:

DSRTurtle wrote:

The spinning fans continue to draw heat away from the CPU/GPU chips.  They continue to cool the chips until they have reached a predetermined temp then shut off.
the spinning fans of what?
On the CPU and GPU.
link to components that will support this? never heared of that
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DSRTurtle
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+56|6988
http://www.tomshardware.com

You will have to do a search for more specific information.  This website has a lot of great information about older products and stuff in their archives as well as new stuff that's not yet available to the general public.  It covers part of the pc.
RichyCizzo
Member
+9|6781|Florida
http://www.xpcgear.com/jaguar450psu.html

That's a shitty website but that's a good example of what i mean.
ShotYourSix
Boldly going nowhere...
+196|7022|Las Vegas
Having one fan in the PSU running for an extra 3 minutes after shutdown will have absolutely no effect on the life of your CPU and GPU.  Zip. Nadda. Zero.  But hey......if it makes your jingles tingle.....knock yourself out.
max
Vela Incident
+1,652|6870|NYC / Hamburg

DSRTurtle wrote:

http://www.tomshardware.com

You will have to do a search for more specific information.  This website has a lot of great information about older products and stuff in their archives as well as new stuff that's not yet available to the general public.  It covers part of the pc.
nice call there. if you look around a bit here you will see that i link to them all the time. also you havent shown me a cpu or a gpu fan that will continue to spin after shutdown

as for the psu fans spinning; read my above post
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DSRTurtle
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+56|6988
My CPU and GPU fans spin for a couple of minutes after shutting down.  I've got a ATI 9600 XT and an Athalon XP2400+. 

It may dependant on the motherboard design for the CPU.  But all the "new" boards should spin for a couple of minutes to continue to cool the CPU/GPU.  By new I mean anything newer than 3 years old, as my board is over 3 years old.

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