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2006-09-08 22:21:31
Not
Great success!
+216|6825|Chandler, AZ

usmarine2005 wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

usmarine2005 wrote:


Then do something about it.  Don't sit on your pitty pot and bitch and moan like an old lady.
What do you suggest I do? Fly a plane into a tall building?
I am speaking about the countries who are so adversely affected by the actions of the US.  Rise up, be a super power and correct our mistakes.
Yeah seriously, it's not like it's hard or anything when the one superpower in the world right now does everything it can to prevent anyone else from becoming one.

My mother told me I could do anything I wanted to, the same applies for any country in the world. So far my goal of becoming a unicorn made of marshmallows and the smiles of children is about 75% complete!
2006-09-08 22:21:55
AlbertWesker[RE]
Not Human Anymore
+144|6893|Seattle, WA

CameronPoe wrote:

1) Only soldiers contribute anything towards (or serve, so to speak) their country (see in red above). The only way someones opinion can hold any value in your eyes is if you sign up to be part of the military.
2) George Bush is infallible (see in green above).
Cam I have to say those are two REALLY bad assumption you made based on someone's opinion.  Those quotes you related to both do not mean that anyone elses opinions are not worth anything or that Bush is infallible.  You need to chill dude, usually I side with your logic man, but I think your wrong on this one.
2006-09-08 22:23:34
AlbertWesker[RE]
Not Human Anymore
+144|6893|Seattle, WA

Matix5435 wrote:

Yeah, Saddam was bad and Iraq was bad, but Bush told us that he was going to find the person responsable for 9/11 and that they would be punished, but has he done shit yet? No. A few troops in Afghanistan and thats about it, instead he puts our troops into Iraq so he can 'liberate the people'. BS. He wants oil.
I dare you to try and quote where Bush said we went into IRAQ because SOMEONE in Iraq was responsible for 9/11.  I double fucking dare you.

he wants oil, lmfao, where is it at than???

Also I don't think liberals hate the country, some of you guys are ok, and some of you actually do hate the country.  But for the most part you guys are alright.  Nothing wrong with having differing POV's and opinions.  But we did not go in for oil, if we did, please prove it.

It takes time to find those truly responsible (Osama, others in AQ) It can't happen in a flash (5 years).  It takes more time, especially with the way they cover their tracks, etc.  It is not easy.  I think we have done some good over there but it is time to move on.

Last edited by AlbertWesker[RE] (2006-09-08 22:25:29)

2006-09-08 22:32:42
Spearhead
Gulf coast redneck hippy
+731|6939|Tampa Bay Florida
If you ask me why I think we went to Iraq, I'd say the only probable answer is both the Democrats and the Republicans needed something to distract the public so people wouldn't notice what a shitty job they're doing at home.

Last edited by Spearhead (2006-09-08 22:32:59)

2006-09-08 22:34:26
Phantom2828
Member
+51|6777|Land of the free

Matix5435 wrote:

Phantom2828 wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/5328592.stm

"Saddam Hussein was distrustful of al-Qaeda and viewed Islamic extremists as a threat to his regime, refusing all requests from al-Qaeda to provide material or operational support" - US Senate Report

Whaddaya know? The blatantly obvious to any reasonable logical thinker has been officially stated by the US Senate! Please do not use this lame excuse for war in Iraq AGAIN. /transmission over
Cameron I pitty you bush even came out and said that Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11 please cut the shit, we went for other reasons the main one was that we got inteligence from all these diffent countrys including russia britan and the U.N that saddam had wmds, we also went to liberate the people, now I know you are going to say "thats not a valid exuse for military action!" well I find this funny because liberals like yourself justified millitary action soley on humanitarian grounds.
Yeah, Saddam was bad and Iraq was bad, but Bush told us that he was going to find the person responsable for 9/11 and that they would be punished, but has he done shit yet? No. A few troops in Afghanistan and thats about it, instead he puts our troops into Iraq so he can 'liberate the people'. BS. He wants oil.
Your full of shit, we got more oil from Iraq before we invaded. Trust me if we wanted to conquer Iraq and take oil they would all be dead.
2006-09-08 22:37:47
jonnykill
The Microwave Man
+235|6928
Seriously OMFG Cameron- get alige bro. GET A LIFE.
2006-09-08 22:38:40
Spearhead
Gulf coast redneck hippy
+731|6939|Tampa Bay Florida

Phantom2828 wrote:

Matix5435 wrote:

Phantom2828 wrote:


Cameron I pitty you bush even came out and said that Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11 please cut the shit, we went for other reasons the main one was that we got inteligence from all these diffent countrys including russia britan and the U.N that saddam had wmds, we also went to liberate the people, now I know you are going to say "thats not a valid exuse for military action!" well I find this funny because liberals like yourself justified millitary action soley on humanitarian grounds.
Yeah, Saddam was bad and Iraq was bad, but Bush told us that he was going to find the person responsable for 9/11 and that they would be punished, but has he done shit yet? No. A few troops in Afghanistan and thats about it, instead he puts our troops into Iraq so he can 'liberate the people'. BS. He wants oil.
Your full of shit, we got more oil from Iraq before we invaded. Trust me if we wanted to conquer Iraq and take oil they would all be dead.
Your mouth is full of shit, it comes out in almost every other sentence.  Shit.
2006-09-08 22:39:28
Jenkinsbball
Banned
+149|6797|USA bitches!
Why don't we get all the fucks from over seas to just blame the US for everything. Wait, they already do...
2006-09-08 22:40:20
AlbertWesker[RE]
Not Human Anymore
+144|6893|Seattle, WA

Spearhead wrote:

Phantom2828 wrote:

Matix5435 wrote:


Yeah, Saddam was bad and Iraq was bad, but Bush told us that he was going to find the person responsable for 9/11 and that they would be punished, but has he done shit yet? No. A few troops in Afghanistan and thats about it, instead he puts our troops into Iraq so he can 'liberate the people'. BS. He wants oil.
Your full of shit, we got more oil from Iraq before we invaded. Trust me if we wanted to conquer Iraq and take oil they would all be dead.
Your mouth is full of shit, it comes out in almost every other sentence.  Shit.
Wow, thats a lot of hate without anything to back it up, why the hate??  How is he wrong, where is this supposed oil at than??
2006-09-08 22:51:34
Spearhead
Gulf coast redneck hippy
+731|6939|Tampa Bay Florida

AlbertWesker[RE] wrote:

Spearhead wrote:

Phantom2828 wrote:

Your full of shit, we got more oil from Iraq before we invaded. Trust me if we wanted to conquer Iraq and take oil they would all be dead.
Your mouth is full of shit, it comes out in almost every other sentence.  Shit.
Wow, thats a lot of hate without anything to back it up, why the hate??  How is he wrong, where is this supposed oil at than??
Why the hate?   I'm not hating, he's called everyone who he disagrees with him full of shit.  I'm making a point.  Is he the Attorney General?  Does he have authority to call people full of shit whenever he wants to? 

I happen to agree, it's obvious we didn't go there for oil.  At least to us it is.

Last edited by Spearhead (2006-09-08 22:55:51)

2006-09-08 22:58:10
AlbertWesker[RE]
Not Human Anymore
+144|6893|Seattle, WA

Spearhead wrote:

AlbertWesker[RE] wrote:

Spearhead wrote:


Your mouth is full of shit, it comes out in almost every other sentence.  Shit.
Wow, thats a lot of hate without anything to back it up, why the hate??  How is he wrong, where is this supposed oil at than??
Why the hate?   I'm not hating, he's called everyone who he disagrees with him full of shit.  I'm making a point.  Is he the Attorney General?  Does he have authority to call people full of shit whenever he wants to? 

I happen to agree, it's obvious we didn't go there for oil.  At least to us it is.
So you agree, and say he's full of shit, I'm sorry I'm not following this thread very well, I sincerely apologize for any ignorance on my part it just seemed kinda, aggressive.  After all, we're in court here...
2006-09-08 22:59:00
Phantom2828
Member
+51|6777|Land of the free

Spearhead wrote:

Phantom2828 wrote:

Matix5435 wrote:


Yeah, Saddam was bad and Iraq was bad, but Bush told us that he was going to find the person responsable for 9/11 and that they would be punished, but has he done shit yet? No. A few troops in Afghanistan and thats about it, instead he puts our troops into Iraq so he can 'liberate the people'. BS. He wants oil.
Your full of shit, we got more oil from Iraq before we invaded. Trust me if we wanted to conquer Iraq and take oil they would all be dead.
MY mouth is full of shit, it comes out in almost every other sentence.  Shit.
To bad I am right. FIXED
2006-09-08 23:04:11
Spearhead
Gulf coast redneck hippy
+731|6939|Tampa Bay Florida

Phantom2828 wrote:

Spearhead wrote:

Phantom2828 wrote:


Your full of shit, we got more oil from Iraq before we invaded. Trust me if we wanted to conquer Iraq and take oil they would all be dead.
Your mouth is full of shit, it comes out in almost every other sentence.  Shit.
I'm a shithead.  I can do this too, retard.  Ohhhhh flame war /ban
Don't talk about yourself that way, man....
2006-09-08 23:05:17
AlbertWesker[RE]
Not Human Anymore
+144|6893|Seattle, WA

AlbertWesker[RE] wrote:

Spearhead wrote:

AlbertWesker[RE] wrote:


Wow, thats a lot of hate without anything to back it up, why the hate??  How is he wrong, where is this supposed oil at than??
Why the hate?   I'm not hating, he's called everyone who he disagrees with him full of shit.  I'm making a point.  Is he the Attorney General?  Does he have authority to call people full of shit whenever he wants to? 

I happen to agree, it's obvious we didn't go there for oil.  At least to us it is.
So you agree, and say he's full of shit, I'm sorry I'm not following this thread very well, I sincerely apologize for any ignorance on my part it just seemed kinda, aggressive.  After all, we're in court here...
I still don't get it.....I'm going to walk away slowly in the other direction.
2006-09-08 23:19:12
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6850|132 and Bush

Unfortunatly he viewed the UN as threat as well.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
2006-09-08 23:22:13
AlbertWesker[RE]
Not Human Anymore
+144|6893|Seattle, WA

Kmarion wrote:

Unfortunatly he viewed the UN as threat as well.
With good reason, the UN just released a report saying that self defense of any kind, not just with guns, is just an excuse, and is not valid.  Very interesting.
2006-09-08 23:23:10
ﻍﻏﺱﺖﻇﻸﮚ
Banned
+69|6750

CameronPoe wrote:

Would you have given Stalin or Hitler the 'benefit of the doubt'?
Yeah comparisons to Hitler and Stalin are probably fair and balanced to you ... which is halarious.

UnOriginalNuttah wrote:

This lack of understanding for why people are concerned frightens me.  And that lack of respect towards Camerons country whilst demanding it for your own demonstrates a level of hypocrisy which borders on sickening.
I know right ..Just becuase Cameron gets on his soap box to bash and degrade his country at constant intervals doesn't give him a right to make any semblance of a response

Ikarti wrote:

PROGRESSION OF EVENTS

Saddam was responsible for 9/11->Saddam is aiding Al-Qaeda->Saddam has WMDs->Oops->HAY GUYZ WERE HERE TO LIBERATE U K? MEET OUR FRIEND HALLIBURTON!
Somewhere along the line you dreamed up 9/11 as the motivation for Iraq. The Bush camp may have insinuated or attempted to connect them but they never explicitly accused Iraq in playing any role. When they went to the UN to pitch it did they mention 9/11 ? the 'sequence' was WMD-> Sadaam -> Democracy. I personally have a problem with this as you can't just change from WMD to Sadaam and change the premise. I believe they should have went from the outset but pitching regime change probably doesnt go over well in the UN. This is really old news and doesnt prove or change anything .. much like the previous thread about secret CIA prisons .. who cares?

CameronPoe wrote:

LOL. It's a shame for Americans. I have come across a lot of American backpackers that have had to pretend to be Canadian to avoid getting hassled or lambasted abroad. WHose fault is that? The Bush administration. And idiots like Bunn-Gee.
I like the picture you try to paint .. all Euros hate Americans now? I have Euro friends. .. kinda like all Irish hate the English ? You ran into some spineless Americans ? BFD ..I can go to Ireland France wherever and if anyone wants to know where I'm from its Houston, Texas United States of America and if they got a problem with that too fuckin bad.. they aren't going to do shit.

d3v1ldr1v3r13 wrote:

cars, planes, radios... everything in your life that makes it easier is owed to American ingenuity, not drunken Irish panhandling.  Show some respect.  If you want to criticize, do so but do it with respect.  You too Ikarti.
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2006-09-08 23:31:43
AlbertWesker[RE]
Not Human Anymore
+144|6893|Seattle, WA

ﻍﻏﺱﺖﻇﻸﮚ wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

Would you have given Stalin or Hitler the 'benefit of the doubt'?
Yeah comparisons to Hitler and Stalin are probably fair and balanced to you ... which is halarious.

UnOriginalNuttah wrote:

This lack of understanding for why people are concerned frightens me.  And that lack of respect towards Camerons country whilst demanding it for your own demonstrates a level of hypocrisy which borders on sickening.
I know right ..Just becuase Cameron gets on his soap box to bash and degrade his country at constant intervals doesn't give him a right to make any semblance of a response

Ikarti wrote:

PROGRESSION OF EVENTS

Saddam was responsible for 9/11->Saddam is aiding Al-Qaeda->Saddam has WMDs->Oops->HAY GUYZ WERE HERE TO LIBERATE U K? MEET OUR FRIEND HALLIBURTON!
Somewhere along the line you dreamed up 9/11 as the motivation for Iraq. The Bush camp may have insinuated or attempted to connect them but they never explicitly accused Iraq in playing any role. When they went to the UN to pitch it did they mention 9/11 ? the 'sequence' was WMD-> Sadaam -> Democracy. I personally have a problem with this as you can't just change from WMD to Sadaam and change the premise. I believe they should have went from the outset but pitching regime change probably doesnt go over well in the UN. This is really old news and doesnt prove or change anything .. much like the previous thread about secret CIA prisons .. who cares?

CameronPoe wrote:

LOL. It's a shame for Americans. I have come across a lot of American backpackers that have had to pretend to be Canadian to avoid getting hassled or lambasted abroad. WHose fault is that? The Bush administration. And idiots like Bunn-Gee.
I like the picture you try to paint .. all Euros hate Americans now? I have Euro friends. .. kinda like all Irish hate the English ? You ran into some spineless Americans ? BFD ..I can go to Ireland France wherever and if anyone wants to know where I'm from its Houston, Texas United States of America and if they got a problem with that too fuckin bad.. they aren't going to do shit.

d3v1ldr1v3r13 wrote:

cars, planes, radios... everything in your life that makes it easier is owed to American ingenuity, not drunken Irish panhandling.  Show some respect.  If you want to criticize, do so but do it with respect.  You too Ikarti.
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QFTruth

Every damn word.
2006-09-09 00:08:31
Bubbalo
The Lizzard
+541|6810

usmarine2005 wrote:

Why do people from other countries give a crap what the US does?
Yeah, that's right.  Why is it anyone other than the US' business if it invades sovereign nations?  And who, other than the US, should care if it ignore the UN whilst using it's resolutions to justify invasions.  And could someone please tell me why anyone other than the US needs to know how many WMDs it has?  It's not like the US ever asks other countries about WMDs.
2006-09-09 00:50:21
CameronPoe
Member
+2,925|6804

d3v1ldr1v3r13 wrote:

Cameron, we all know youre full of shit, and just continue being a puppet for the all the other american hating pieces of shit in this forum.  Im not playing your stupid fucking games anymore, seems you have quite the following of unintelligent media whores around here, all im going to say, is believe what you want to believe, ill stick to my guns.  Peace out.

jonnykill wrote:

Seriously OMFG Cameron- get alige bro. GET A LIFE.
A high calibre of responses I see. The former sounding like a child who has had his favourite toy taken from him.  The latter articulating his side of the argument succinctly and with a remarkable degree of attention to detail.
2006-09-09 00:50:34
Foxhoundmgw
Man of Moebius Morals
+71|6829|Nottingham, UK
Truth is a small word. But people act like it carrys so much fucking weight.

Funnily enough, one of your defensive number, spouted utter shit mingled in with other things. He's been picked up for it by several people. Not one of them was American.

Here it is. the happy happy fun fun.

|APB|-MeatDonkey wrote:

The great majority of everything created in the last century that is worth a sh*t was done so by Americans.  Everything from electricity to the internet to TV to vaccines and medication.
Electricity -
Volta(Italian) Ampère(French) Ohm(German) Farraday(English) Tesla(Serbia) Edison(USA) Among Others

Internet (not to be confused with the World Wide Web invented by Berners-Lee(English))-
Primarily DARPA(USA)

Vaccine -
Jenner(English)

Medication-
Got to delve on this fucker.
med‧i‧ca‧tion  /ˌmɛdɪˈkeɪʃən/
–noun
1.    the use or application of medicine.
2.    a medicinal substance; medicament.

So, medicine. China Egypt Greece India Persia (Later England France Germany)

You've already been shown to know fuck all for an 'educated man' regarding Television, so I'll not repeat the gentlemen who slapped you there. International efforts the fucking lot of them.

To get back to my point, Truth, it's heavy. And lies are too. I don't give a shit if you or Bush, or Blair, or Clinton or fucking Santa told me any truth, if you told me it in the same sentence as lies. I will automatically doubt your honesty in this instance, And continue to do so from that point on.

So we all owe America for taking the accomplishments of other nations as their own? Is THAT what you are telling me? The Irish may not have been my 'bezzie' fuckin mates over the years, but the only thing they've tried to take from my country is their OWN FUCKING TURF. Thats a question, not me calling all Americans thieving cunts, don't jump down my throat just yet.

Next spit-coke moment.

SMSgtDoc wrote:

Well my friend you may have served in the Marine Corps, but you are no Marine

Ikarti wrote:

Question real fast. Why is it that even though IRONCHEF served as a marine that his difference in opinion negates the service he's done?

SMSgtDoc wrote:

I hope you are not referring to me. I applaud anyone one that has served their country, especially as a Marine.

SMSgtDoc wrote:

Other than that, Thank You IronChef for serving your country!
There was no applause or respect shown in your first post which I snipped. Do you often backpeddle so?

There have been other posts from different standpoints which are likely to be just as filled with falsehoods, but these are blatant and stand out most to me. You are championing your causes, why sully that with such obvious lies?

In closing.

|APB|-MeatDonkey wrote:

everything in your life that makes it easier is owed to American ingenuity, not drunken Irish panhandling.  Show some respect.
Would you like to publicly apologise to the Irish? I think you on webcam on Youtube would be fucking stunning. It might stop you looking like a clueless arrogant prick.
2006-09-09 01:25:51
CameronPoe
Member
+2,925|6804

ﻍﻏﺱﺖﻇﻸﮚ wrote:

I know right ..Just becuase Cameron gets on his soap box to bash and degrade his country at constant intervals doesn't give him a right to make any semblance of a response
Bash and degrade USA? When have I done that. Oh that's right - All Americans = American government. My mistake. LOL. People on this forum have serious differentiation problems here. My posts generally don't involve outright insults aimed at the entire populace of a particular country unlike the dipshit who uses an insult to all people of Irish ethnicity as an argument.
2006-09-09 02:44:20
unnamednewbie13
Moderator
+2,053|7021|PNW

Hooray for apple pie.
2006-09-09 02:52:52
Janysc
Member
+59|6932|Norway

imortal wrote:

Janysc wrote:

I'm so sick and utterly tired of American nationalists who will not listen and who will not discuss because they've been brainwashed into believing that their standpoints can not be discussed because they are "right". When people want to put the US's actions under debate, the brainwashed's only defenses are bad attempts to discredit them. Open your eyes and become more than a rerun of the collapsing British Empire.

I wonder when I'll hear American children say to people like CameronPoe, "You're a thought criminal." I fear that day is not far away...
Unsure of your point with that one... but that is the way we feel about the other side, as well.  Most people are completely sure they are right and the other side is wrong.  People tend to believe things that reinforce what they already believe, and to discresit or put down what gowes against what they believe to be true. It is called a self serving bias. Everyone, EVERYONE does it, whether they mean to or not.  You actually have to take great pains to correct for that behavior.  That goes into everything here. 

A lot of people love america and what it stands for, and tend to believe things that make america look better, and to disregard things that make america look silly, weak, or what have you.

A lot of people, inside america and out, do not like america for various reasons which I will not list out right now.  They tend to believe things that make america look silly, weak and what have you, and tend to disregard  anything that makes america look strong or what have you.

You know what?  The truth is somewhere in the middle.  It is not on either extreme.  America is not all good, even though I personally think the good far outweighs the bad.  America is not, however, the root of all evil, and it is plain silly to think that is the case, although you are allowed to think the bad outweighs the good.  The difference is a matter of scale and perspective.  Most of you; most of us, are too busy being self rightous to try to wonder why the other side feels the way they do.  You are still free to feel the way you do, just admit that the other side may have a perfectly valid point. 

now to see how bad I get flamed for trying to bring some sense into this forum.
You are too right, friend.
2006-09-09 03:11:44
Janysc
Member
+59|6932|Norway

d3v1ldr1v3r13 wrote:

Janysc wrote:

d3v1ldr1v3r13 wrote:

Cameron, Just shut up, quit being a liberal little bitch.  All your wannabe big shot political talk is really stupid alot like yourself, so go fuck yourself with your so called "fair and balanced" and quit trying to justify the war in Iraq.  I been over there twice and until your get your skinny white ass and put it on the line for something that means something to you, I dont even think you know what it means to fight for something you believe in.
You're pathetic.
Better than being ignorant...right?  Fuckin polesmoker.
Alas, I am not homosexual, and I frankly have never understood what is wrong with being one. To deny a person's sexual freedom is an offense to their freedom.
I am ignorant because I have never been in Iraq as a soldier? I fail to see your logic, if there is one. But I'll try. Are you hinting that you have to pick up a weapon and shoot some people in order to "fight for something you believe in"? That is so false I can't begin describing it. To fight for something you believe in you wade through shit with your opinion held high, which is what the "liberal little bitch" is trying.

If you disagree with this, allow me to say, "Fuck you, American."

People like you are the reason so many people are "bitching" worldwide.

 

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