OK, firstly - you didn't expell the British from North America. The Northern forts that were contested remained under British control after the war, that's what status quo ante bellum means.ﻍﻏﺱﺖﻇﻸﮚ wrote:
Seeing as how our naval fleet was small and we had no intention of invading England at the time the only way to attack the Brits was to the north. We wanted to expell the Brits from North America.Berster wrote:
How did you expell the EnglishIs that why they invaded America ? The boarding of American merchant ships and unwilingness to vacate forts inside America were violations of Americas sovergnty and in the same breath a lack of respect of Americas independance and her citizens.Berster wrote:
It is considered the 2nd revolutionary war in America because Americans always have to think they are the centre of attention - when in fact the British were far more concerned with retaining territories they considered important, India, the West Indies and Canada. They really didn't care about the Americans.
http://americanhistory.about.com/od/warof1812/The War of 1812 was a struggle to maintain America's independence from Great Britain.http://nicholelouise.tripod.com/id1.htmlTermed the Second American Revolution by some, the War of 1812 saw the British force President James Madison out of the White House. Follow the events of the war that could have meant the end to independence.
Its called the 2nd revolutionary war here because that was the intent, to retain our independance from England and have her repsect our soverignty and not put blockades restrict our trade board our ships etc etc. The real cuase had nothing o do with annexing Canada ..look up the ChesapekeAlthough the infant United States of America had fought and won it's war for independence from the British, one would never know it from the attitude of the British parliament and the instrument of its will, the British Royal Navy.
Secondly, it was impossible for you to meet your objectives of stopping the trade embargoes with France and boarding of US ships by the Royal Navy, because this had ceased 2 days before the start of the war. Do you know why your trade was being resticted? You were sending supplies to the French, who the British were at war with - the very fact the British stopped the embargoes before the war began shows they did have respect for US independence before the war started - so that wasn't achieved during the war either.
Thirdly, you failled to annex Canada and were driven back a long way south - the British suffered their most crushing defeat at New Orleans (which is quite a long way south) - which, you earlier claimed, caused them to run home with their tails beneath their legs - were it not for the fact that the Treay of Ghent had been signed before the New Orleans campaign was fought.
If the Americans had been better informed before the war began and knew of the changes in British policy the war would not have happened.
If you were better informed, this would be a more sensible discussion.
To sum up, the US had 3 goals -
1. Retake the British held Northern forts and expel their garrisons - FAIL
2. Put an end to British trade embargoes, blockades and impressment* - FAIL
3. Gain territory in Canada - FAIL
The British had 1 goal -
1. Prevent the US annexing Canada - SUCCESS
*Impressment did not end until quite late into the war, exactly the same time, in fact, as the war with Napoleon ended - so that objective was not achieved by the war, but rather by Britains diminished need for troops in Europe.
There you go, I think I've covered all the angles sufficiently simply for you to understand them.
Oh, and they didn't invade America - they launched a counter attack after the US invaded Canada. They didn't care about America. The boarding of US ships had nothing to do with you really, it was because you sent supplies to the French and we didn't like it.
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