BF2S Forums TANK WHORING ! Seriously no player with skills

ChiefCrash wrote:

seriously, if they make an ANTI-TANK kit, a tank is nothing big.  annoying? sure.  harder to kill?  of course. 

and on the n00b tubers:  the grenade launcher is a WEAPON.  if some guy nails me from 50 yards out with the thing, i'd be freakin' impressed.  the little lackey bunnyhoping around shootin' grenades at my feet from 5 feet, not so much respect.  annoying?  hell ya.  but that guy sure as HELL ain't gettin me twice.

Agreed.  Probably the biggest issue with most people's arguments about tanks is that they don't realize the armor varies based on the location.  Top and rear shots are the BEST, Side shots second, and front hits are worse.  I can't tell you how many times I see stupid people try to take on armor in situations where they should not and end up getting pasted by the 120mm.  Always try to get a side or rear (top shots are rare).  The second thing people don't realize is the stength that the n00b-tube has against armor.  7 rear or side shots kills a full health TANK!  This is a lot of hits for 1 person, but you would be surprised as how many tankers (at least the smart ones) will retreat.   Once you get a tank to half health, they are ripe for an insta-kill by an AT missile.  I have played good squads were I will come in and get blasted by 'nade launchers and standard grenades.  I see my armor going down fast enough for me to back off and either wait for support, artillery, or go for an easier target.

The lesson?  Denial of a piece or real estate is still a valid and underutilized tactic that buys you and your team some time.  That can be time to allow the TOW to respawn or for somebody to show up as AT or SpecFor.

- Beatdown

Michael82 wrote:

Ok

II don't remember Iraqi soldiers in the golf war, calling Bush saying "your tanks are too strong for us, let us have better weapons to kill them with. Our AK-47's don't work".

Oh this guy is my hero!    Tank Whores Unite!

Yeah right, tank whoring is sooo easy when a dozen ATs hides behind the buildings in karkand and is ready to fire at you any time

Every tank can get killed. If you can't do it there's just 2 options to consider for you: Either the tank player is too good for you or you just suck at taking down tanks.

Michael82 wrote:

[snip]the golf war[snip]

This sounds SOOOOOOOOOO funny...

About tank whoring, well, it sucks (just like ANY kind of whoring). It's ok if one goes tank for a while or when chance calls for it, but when one sticks to the same vehicle (or to the same cheap-ass tactics) all the time, he's just a whore no matter what.

atlvolunteer wrote:

As I posted in the other identical thread (again, why did you create two identical threads?):
If you don't like it, you have three options (at least)
1. get in a tank and kill his ass
2. spawn as AT and kill his ass
3. spawn as spec. ops and kill his ass
Did I miss any?

Forgot the TOW.

dobbs wrote:

Michael82 wrote:

Ok

II don't remember Iraqi soldiers in the golf war, calling Bush saying "your tanks are too strong for us, let us have better weapons to kill them with. Our AK-47's don't work".

Oh this guy is my hero!    Tank Whores Unite!

I see people constantly making comparisions between this game and real war.  They really need to stop especially when they start talking about game balance.  Before you can even TRY to make a comparison, you have to use a conflict where BOTH sides were on equal footing.  It is ridiculous to try to use the Iraqi wars.

Right from the beginning, there was NO LEVEL PLAYING FIELD between the Iraqi and the US armed forces.  Not in the Gulf War or Iraqi Freedom.  In logistics, strategic, tactical, resource, and most important...weapons capabilities, the Iraqi military under Sadam Hussain did not stand a chance without the direct intervention of Allah himself.  This was the case even if you made a tank to tank comparison because the T72 was absolutely no match for the M1A1 MBT.  This was the case with a air to air comparison because most of Iraq's air power was extremely outdated and they only had a small number of their most advanced fighters, the Mig-29.  Iraq has/had no attack helos.  No Stealth fighters.  No AWACs.  No JSTARs.  No spy sats.  No cruise missiles.  The list goes on and on and on.  PLEASE stop trying to make a comparison of Battlefield 2 against two of the most lopsided conflicts since Germany invaded Poland.  PLEEEAAASE.

This is a game people.
In REAL life, tanks commanders don't roll up into cities alone like they are juggernauts of invincibility.
In REAL life, it only takes a single $50,000 AT missile to destroy/incapacitate a $4 million dollar modern tank.
In REAL life, it only takes a single $37,000 Stinger missile to swat a $15 million dollar Apache.
In REAL life, it only takes a single $37,000 Stinger missile to swat a $32 millsion dollar F-18.  (Getting the point?)
In REAL life, it only takes 1 bullet to kill a person.  Not 2 or 3 or 4.  Just...one.

In contrast...
In REAL life, an unshaped C4 charge won't even warm the metal on a modern tank.
In REAL life, an M203 grenade won't scratch a modern tank.
In REAL life, a grenade won't even be noticed in a modern tank.
In REAL life, shock paddles don't bring you back from a 3-round burst to the chest and with 100% health.

A game is supposed to be a fun activity, not a lesson in frustration.  That requires balance at the expense of some realism.  Even though I agree with the notion that tank balance is pretty good, it is NOT because of a real life comparison with the Iraq wars.

- Beatdown

Last edited by Beatdown Patrol (2005-12-03 14:35:22)

Imagine the flame war if in this game 1 bullet killed you when it hit you center mass or in the head?
I don't think many would be playing this game but at least no one would be whining about realism. Instead they would whining about it being too hard and then wanting hit areas on arms and legs with separate armor values and crap and more crap.

Bottom line. No one will be happy 100% so do the best you can and hope for the best.

Assholes will still be assholes, whiney ass brats will still be whiney ass brats (or at least until their parents grow a spine and discipline their child)  and players who just want to have fun will continue to have fun.

The End.

My sig says it all

But I would NEVER tk for a tank, and since i been playing on SF, i only been in tank for like 2 hours

Vic_Mackie wrote:

There are tanks, they have large guns, they will kill you if you don't mind them.

Wait...what was that?!

Tanks have large GUNS?! Is THAT why they keep shooting at me?!

And here, all this time, I thought tanks held water for the cattle, especially in Texas.

http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/6668 … 2464yd.jpg oh my

why do people have so much anger

Agreeing with Kingswat here. Without infantery support, you're screwed.

Now, tanks don't annoy me that much. Their main cannon has a very limited fire rate, so they can't just fill a spawn point with fragments like the damn APC's can. They pretty much rely on their coaxial machine gun and the turret .50 for infantery kills. Tanks are there mainly to provide the infantery with cover from other vehicles.

APC's though, are specially designed for frontline infantery combat, and it's nice to see people use them like they're meant to. Still, it IS annoying when you have three APC's centered around your last remaining spawn point, filling the entire spawn area with flying fragments so no spawning person get more than a 1 second life span. That means spawning as AT is utterly useless, since you'll never get time to fire. This can't be defended from a teamwork point of view either, since the cloud of death prevents your team from going in and getting the flag. This situation is why the support class was created, people. To give precise infantery supppression during a flag capture.

So, what is it the old and grumpy Faust wants to teach you today? By all means, use the tanks and APC's all you want. I don't mind as long as I get a chance to get two meters from my spawn location before bursting into a bloodless BF2 invisible meat cloud. Have the decency to at least give your own team a chance to win too. Nothing pisses me off more than being unable to take a flag due to people on my own team trying to see how much steel it's possible to have airborne at the same time.

/rant

Oh, and LuGia? Tanks are utterly useless in Karkand, since the second they go down a street, there's an AT fucker on a roof spoiling the fun. No AT fucker on the roof you say? Blame your own damn team, or better yet, yourself. If you notice there's no AT guys, and you don't become one, who's fault is it there's no AT dude?

Plane/Helo whores > Tank whores