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lowing wrote:

PRiMACORD wrote:

lowing wrote:

Obviously he didn't have t ogive you that advice. You chose an all white neighborhood alll by yourself. But I am sure it was a coincidence.

Do you feel so bad that you are one of the only racists here, do you want company that bad?

Sorry, can't help you loser.

Keep reaching.

LOL ok, and you keep ignoring the question.

The fact that you call me a racist because I live in an all white community, WHILE you live in a all white community is laughable. Along with liar, lets tack on hypocrite as well.

Whats the question? All i keep hearing is bullshit.

Wait, maybe you're confused, i don't live in an  ALL EXCLUSIVE WHITE community, the majority, from what i've seen is white. There are a few Indians i've seen from time to time along with a Persian guy.

Do you live in an exclusive white community or something?

You calling me a hypcrite is hilarious, you don't know me in real life, you don't know my life, you don't know what kind of friends i have so stop pretending to.

Imbecile...

CyrusTheVirus wrote:

It's high time that people of other ethnicities, who have been granted the golden opportunity of making something of themselves in this great country, stop droning on about past injustices. The key word there is 'past'. Get over it, get a job and get out of the ghetto. Period.

Did you get out of the ghetto, did you manage to climb yourself?  Or you were born in the suburbs?  Don't talk so easy of getting out of the ghetto, when is well known chances are not the same for those people as yours.  I'm not defending anyone but you should consider to be a little less hard on those people.  And of course there are some black people who live the american way, f.i. the Cosbys.  But, to be honest with yourself think the most of them live in ghettos or shitty places, and be sure they all want to get a job.  May be there's no job for everyone after all.

Last edited by sergeriver (2006-08-31 17:19:24)

PRiMACORD wrote:

lowing wrote:

PRiMACORD wrote:

Do you feel so bad that you are one of the only racists here, do you want company that bad?

Sorry, can't help you loser.

Keep reaching.

LOL ok, and you keep ignoring the question.

The fact that you call me a racist because I live in an all white community, WHILE you live in a all white community is laughable. Along with liar, lets tack on hypocrite as well.

Whats the question? All i keep hearing is bullshit.

Wait, maybe you're confused, i don't live in an  ALL EXCLUSIVE WHITE community, the majority, from what i've seen is white. There are a few Indians i've seen from time to time along with a Persian guy.

Do you live in an exclusive white community or something?

You calling me a hypcrite is hilarious, you don't know me in real life, you don't know my life, you don't know what kind of friends i have so stop pretending to.

Imbecile...

You said you lived in a white nieghborhood, if ya want I can go pull it for you. That is what I am basing my discussion with you on, your words!!

No actually, I am having a house built, and we are some of the first in there, I have no idea who my nieghbors will be.

You don't know me either or who my firends are, yet you are pretty liberal with calling me a racist. go figure

Iowing, dude.... back off, deep breaths.  Repeat after me "I should not post when angry, I should not post when angry..."   Oh.  Goes for everyone else, as well.  Fight the topic, not each other.  Or am I just too old fashioned?

lowing wrote:

You said you lived in a white nieghborhood, if ya want I can go pull it for you. That is what I am basing my discussion with you on, your words!!

This is what i said.

I live in a white neighbourhood, i've never had that problem. My friends are a very mixed group and i have to say, the most racist groups i've ever met were..gasp..white. We just hide it better.

I've never had a real problem with it but i have noticed the way some of my neighbours look at my friends when they come around, it's subtle but it's always there

Read the context for fuck sakes, i was talking about how i think white people are the most racist group i've ever met based on how they look at my more ethnically different friends. Sure i wasn't dead accurate when i said 'white neighbourhood', i didn't think i'd have someone accusing me of being racist when i myself was accusing my own people of being racist!!!!!

lowing wrote:

You don't know me either or who my firends are, yet you are pretty liberal with calling me a racist. go figure

lowing wrote:

All of us when buying a house in a community is influenced by the people who live there FIRST.

You make yourself look pretty racist all on your own buddy. In this quote you are saying you are influenced first by the people who live there rather then it being a nice clean neighbourhood with a low rate of crime.

lowing wrote:

I don't recall calling you a racist, I called you a hypocrite and a liar based on you telling me that you lived in an all white community and didn't know it, while calling me a racist for living in one as well. read back.

I never said i live in an ALL WHITE community, i said white and like i said you took that out of context. Read my last post again.

I called you racist because you said you look at the people in the neighbourhood FIRST. That means you care more about the type of people in your community rather then the crime rate and how visually appealing the neighbourhood is.

That sounds racist to me.

lowing wrote:

By you telling me the people you live amongst doesn't matter to you is a bold face lie.

I'm sorry you feel that way. Thats the way it is, you can call me a liar till you are blue in the face but it won't make a difference.

I don't give a shit who my neighbours are as long as they:

1) Don't shoot me, my skin doesn't react well to high speed lead
2) Wake me up via something really really loud

Last edited by PRiMACORD (2006-08-31 18:39:15)

Raptor1 wrote:

1) Don't shoot me, my skin doesn't react well to high speed lead

Who's skin reacts well to high speed lead

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=joke

lowing wrote:

PRiMACORD wrote:

lowing wrote:

I don't recall calling you a racist, I called you a hypocrite and a liar based on you telling me that you lived in an all white community and didn't know it, while calling me a racist for living in one as well. read back.

I never said i live in an ALL WHITE community, i said white and like i said you took that out of context. Read my last post again.

I called you racist because you said you look at the people in the neighbourhood FIRST. That means you care more about the type of people in your community rather then the crime rate and how visually appealing the neighbourhood is.

That sounds racist to me.

lowing wrote:

By you telling me the people you live amongst doesn't matter to you is a bold face lie.

I'm sorry you feel that way. Thats the way it is, you can call me a liar till you are blue in the face but it won't make a difference.

I don't give a shit who my neighbours are as long as they:

1) Don't shoot me, my skin doesn't react well to high speed lead
2) Wake me up via something really really loud

Sorry PrimaCord we are at an impass.

Anyone else wanna claim that you DON'T look at the people in a nieghborhood before you buy a house in one?? LOL

Um, dude, most people don't care what the people look like.  You think that most people do?  That really weird.  Most people look at the crimerates, financial class, etc.

lowing wrote:

Jusster wrote:

lowing wrote:

everyone calls me a racist and NO ONE answers why a white guy is a racist because he choses to live in a white area, and no one else is a racist when they chose to live in their own nieghborhoods?

PrimaCord, Spearhead, jonsimon?? Are you gunna FINALLY answer that for us or are you just going to continue with the insults in lieu of a real answer??

It is your "US" vs. "Them" philosophy that makes just about all your statements seem racist

To answer your question...........

If a "white", "black", "yellow", or "brown" person decides to live in a particular area based on race...........then the average person with reasonable intelligence would consider that person to be a racist. 

Basically your question is false.  Its not "only the white guy" reasonable people consider racist if they choose to separate themselves based on race.

Now based on culture or class would be an entirely different circumstances all together.

Hope this helps you a bit


Jusster

It seems society itself excuses other races that form their own exclusive communities in the US. But as this thread proves, if I suggest it for whites, I am a racist, and there was no shortage of people calling me that. Point proven.

Well Lowing, I guess its apparent that you have missed my point while continuing to spread your misguided nonsense.

How about this...........

When Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton spew racist non sense people call them racist.

When Jerry Falwell or Rush Limaugh spew racist non sense people call them racist.

So why don't you explain to me where YOU see a double standard?  Both sides have pathetic leaders who spread the same crap.  I've already answered your question as to how the average American feels. 

If your theory is correct........show me an instance as you are referring to that blacks and other races are intentionally separating themselves from whites and I will show you ten folds otherwise.  Don't pull the New York B.S., that is more a cultural issue, and I'd hope your smart enough to realize that.  In fact if you look at the evidence it is the complete opposite.  There are racist out there who spew the same crap that you do...........read some of it and tell me if its not the same point of view as yours.  Maybe you'd like to register on the site........if you haven't already

So show me where minorities are "excluding" whites.  Its not that minorities are excluding whites but rather whites would rather not include themselves in said neighborhoods.  I don't feel this is completely intentional.  As most people want to have the best living conditions for their family that they can provide.  But it is a fact that alot of minorities live in the ghetto's of America, but this is NOT by choice.

You really don't have a pot to piss in on this topic...........but I like reading your comments better then reading the funnies you are truly a comedian.





Jusster

Jusster wrote:

lowing wrote:

Jusster wrote:

It is your "US" vs. "Them" philosophy that makes just about all your statements seem racist

To answer your question...........

If a "white", "black", "yellow", or "brown" person decides to live in a particular area based on race...........then the average person with reasonable intelligence would consider that person to be a racist. 

Basically your question is false.  Its not "only the white guy" reasonable people consider racist if they choose to separate themselves based on race.

Now based on culture or class would be an entirely different circumstances all together.

Hope this helps you a bit


Jusster

It seems society itself excuses other races that form their own exclusive communities in the US. But as this thread proves, if I suggest it for whites, I am a racist, and there was no shortage of people calling me that. Point proven.

Well Lowing, I guess its apparent that you have missed my point while continuing to spread your misguided nonsense.

How about this...........

When Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton spew racist non sense people call them racist.

When Jerry Falwell or Rush Limaugh spew racist non sense people call them racist.

So why don't you explain to me where YOU see a double standard?  Both sides have pathetic leaders who spread the same crap.  I've already answered your question as to how the average American feels. 

If your theory is correct........show me an instance as you are referring to that blacks and other races are intentionally separating themselves from whites and I will show you ten folds otherwise.  Don't pull the New York B.S., that is more a cultural issue, and I'd hope your smart enough to realize that.  In fact if you look at the evidence it is the complete opposite.  There are racist out there who spew the same crap that you do...........read some of it and tell me if its not the same point of view as yours.  Maybe you'd like to register on the site........if you haven't already

So show me where minorities are "excluding" whites.  Its not that minorities are excluding whites but rather whites would rather not include themselves in said neighborhoods.  I don't feel this is completely intentional.  As most people want to have the best living conditions for their family that they can provide.  But it is a fact that alot of minorities live in the ghetto's of America, but this is NOT by choice.

You really don't have a pot to piss in on this topic...........but I like reading your comments better then reading the funnies you are truly a comedian.





Jusster

If you go back to the very first post of this thread, it will give you several examples of the double standard that you are asking from me. I didn't write the post, I just happen to agree with most of it and if you deny most of it then you are the one who has put on blinders.

You don't want to count NYC as a perfect example as to what I am talking about because that is a cultural issue?? Well what exactly is the difference between a cultural issue and a race issue?? Pick any city in the states and and probably the world, and it is the same. I agree with you that you can show me 10 fold for the white communities. Is there any chance that the white communities are not racist? Maybe it is these people are the only ones in the area that can afford to live in such neighborhoods. Maybe it also is "not intentional".
Unless you can show me a community that has a sign that reads "whites only". There are no such signs in the other communities either. That tells me that people of ALL races naturally want to live amongst people with their same cultural simularites. Why is that so bad?

How can you call me a racist, when in your own post that you lump a lot blacks as living in the ghetto? Kinda stereotypish isn't it? So even if that is true, will you excuse me for NOT wanting to buy a house in the same area??

You failed to answer me on one question, by me hating white trash am I now racist against white people??

See truth is, I hate any and all people that dress and act disrespectful to themselves and others, and are generally irresponsible. I don't care about skin color either. I don't want to live in a community where people walk around with their pants 10 sizes too big and pushed half way around their asses, black or white doesn't matter. So if that makes me a racist then you can just nail me to the cross for it.

If I am a racist, I am a prejudice against social classes and not color or race.

Just because you are trying to be politically correct on this issue and I don't care doesn't make you righteous in the end, like PrimaCord, just less than honest.

Last edited by lowing (2006-09-01 04:04:24)

Jusster wrote:

imortal wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

Did you get out of the ghetto, did you manage to climb yourself?  Or you were born in the suburbs?  Don't talk so easy of getting out of the ghetto, when is well known chances are not the same for those people as yours.  I'm not defending anyone but you should consider to be a little less hard on those people.  And of course there are some black people who live the american way, f.i. the Cosbys.  But, to be honest with yourself think the most of them live in ghettos or shitty places, and be sure they all want to get a job.  May be there's no job for everyone after all.

"It is well known..." is a very dangerous phrase.  You manage to establish your opinion as fact without any sort of proof by saying 'it is well known.'  I am sure it is very difficult to climb out of the ghetto, especially with peer pressure.  But it can and has been done.  It takes hard work, self-motivation, discipline, sacrifice, and devotion.  It has happened in every generation in every slum in america.  People born to rags, with nothing to their name, clawing their way up, working hard, and ending up a millionare, forming or owning a company.  Welcome to the American Dream.

However, in our current culture, many people seem to want fast ways to riches.  Easy ways.  Dealing drugs or other criminal activity is easier than real work, and pays better.  Unless you get caught.  Professional sports players make millions of dollars a year.  Easier and more fun to play basketball or football really well, go to college on a sports scholarship, breeze through on your athletic ability and hit the big time in the pros.  Or I can just keep buying Lotto tickets until I hit it big.  Bound to happen if I buy enough.  Welcome to the American Delusion.

Back on topic, however.  It may be difficult for people to dig their way out of situations, but it is nearly always possible for those with the drive, the will, the discipline, and the dedication to do twhat is needed to make your way properly in american society.  If you work for it, you know how valuable and precious it is.  But if it is just handed to you, how much will you treaure it?  I am refferring to most social problems, but that goes for trust fund babies and suburbian kids just as well.  You need to sweat and earn it to appereciate it properly.

Nice speech, but why not answer Sergeriver's questions posed to CyrusTheVirus.  You seem to talk a good game but what personal experience do you have as far as you knowing what it takes to work yourself out of poverty?  Seems to me you are doing a good job of using the  "Well known" phrase yourself.

Tell us what obstacles you have overcome.  Then maybe I'll take you seriously.


Jusster

I joined the army to get out of just a situation.  Cooking Ramen noodles over a desk lamp, eating soup cold.  Yes, I grew up in a Suburb neighborhood, but made some silly mistakes in college and was too proud to ask for help from my family.  Not only that, but I had such a shaky job that my paychecks bounched occasionally.  I had a chance to have everything given to me, but made mistakes.  Now, I am glad of it.  I have not drawn a single penny of unemployment, even though I was unemployed for 4 months after a left the army.  I am in a crappy job now, but it is putting me back through college (I am 34 now) to get my associates degree in Emergency Medical Professional Services (paramedic). I work 64 hours a week, go to school, and I still have time to maintain a relationship with my girlfriend AND play BF2 occasionally.  I know about work and sacrifice.

In the army, I met just some of those people.  A kid who joined the army to get away from a gang and start his own life.  Another who joined to get out of his dead-end appalachian town.  They had more stories.  Here in Austin, after Katrina, there are lots of sob stories about people who can't do anything, waiting on the goverment to help them.  Then there are stories about the man who got off the evacuation bus from Houston, and had a job within 4 hours.  Maybe only in a resturant, but the point is that he did not wait, but went out to look and improve his situation.

As to seeing people make it out of slums to fame and fortune, watch a bit of educational TV, biographies, or do some internet serching.  The biggest one that comes to mind is the founder of Bank of America, but there are others.

rawls2 wrote:

Lowing- I think in these tough times were Americans are under attack from everyone including our own citizens its extremely important to stick together. So the next time a black or mex calls you a kracker or hick let it roll off your shoulder and know your the better person. In all honesty i've called a bunch of you guys hicks on these forums when it came to race issue but in retrospect that was foolish because we are all Americans and have real enemies out there.

Racism is not an American issue, it is a world disease.  You may stick together as americans, but when you say in your post, when a black or a mex, blah, blah, that's racist too.