Please, do that. I find you terribly ignorant and arrogant at the same time. The worst combination possible.sgt_mango333 wrote:
Just go away please...wait this is your thread...I'll go away. You are annoying.sergeriver wrote:
And what does it mean anyway? What are my poor translated Englishg tirades? Please, teach me as I'm ignorant of all knowledge.sgt_mango333 wrote:
You are correct...I should have checked my spelling. What I meant to say was, your poorly translated English tirades. So sorry.
For the purposes of this discussion you can call me mango or sarge or even sgt mango. All will work...thank you please drive through.
Poll
Should Israel negotiate with Hezbollah?
| Yes | 47% | 47% - 53 | ||||
| No | 40% | 40% - 45 | ||||
| I don't give a shit about them | 11% | 11% - 13 | ||||
| Total: 111 | ||||||
You realy amaze me...HM1{N} wrote:
OH, I'm so sorry a historical timeline doesn't suit you, how about this timeline?Vilham wrote:
Lol you have posted a link that has no support for your argument, the Russians needed NO support from America. The percentage of American material in Russia was something like 1%.HM1{N} wrote:
Seems to me the Russians REALLY needed our help bad:
http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/t … e.htm#1945
And without the U.S. the Russians wouldn't have beaten Germany.
Go read up before you try and comment on WWII PLZ!
Go read up your own links before you try and comment on WWII PLZ!
http://history.acusd.edu/gen/WW2timeline/Europe09.html
Does that suit you better? Or do we need to rewrite history for you so that it will show no U.S. help to Europe in WWII?
Let me guess, you're Russian?
Yet AGAIN your link shows nothing that says how America realy helped out Russia or Europe, i already know you gave us lend lease, however as i have already stated Russia used 1% American goods 99% Russian, your tanks couldnt even counter a German Panzer, the only reason American and British forces won tank fights is due to numbers, the T-34 was one of the only tanks that could outperform a german tank. Just give up on your stupid arguement that is wrong... ok, you helped Russia but plz dont make rediculus claims that you saved Europe or Russia.
As to being Russian read my ID.... Note the From: UK!!!
Last edited by Vilham (2006-08-31 12:21:39)
Wow, I don't remember ever saying that the U.S. saved Europe or Russia. Where did I say that?Vilham wrote:
You realy amaze me...HM1{N} wrote:
OH, I'm so sorry a historical timeline doesn't suit you, how about this timeline?Vilham wrote:
Lol you have posted a link that has no support for your argument, the Russians needed NO support from America. The percentage of American material in Russia was something like 1%.
Go read up your own links before you try and comment on WWII PLZ!
http://history.acusd.edu/gen/WW2timeline/Europe09.html
Does that suit you better? Or do we need to rewrite history for you so that it will show no U.S. help to Europe in WWII?
Let me guess, you're Russian?
Yet AGAIN your link shows nothing that says how America realy helped out Russia or Europe, i already know you gave us lend lease, however as i have already stated Russia used 1% American goods 99% Russian, your tanks couldnt even counter a German Panzer, the only reason American and British forces won tank fights is due to numbers, the T-34 was one of the only tanks that could outperform a german tank. Just give up on your stupid arguement that is wrong... ok, you helped Russia but plz dont make rediculus claims that you saved Europe or Russia.
Just to say... IN YOUR FACE!HM1{N} wrote:
Seems to me the Russians REALLY needed our help bad:
http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/t … e.htm#1945
And without the U.S. the Russians wouldn't have beaten Germany.
Go read up before you try and comment on WWII PLZ!
Now please stop argueing with me, your bringing me down to your own level.
PS sorry for contributing to derailing this but i hate it when Americans claim that they saved the world in WWII.
Last edited by Vilham (2006-08-31 12:25:45)
But do you honestly think (this is a probe, not a jab) that:Vilham wrote:
You realy amaze me...HM1{N} wrote:
OH, I'm so sorry a historical timeline doesn't suit you, how about this timeline?Vilham wrote:
Lol you have posted a link that has no support for your argument, the Russians needed NO support from America. The percentage of American material in Russia was something like 1%.
Go read up your own links before you try and comment on WWII PLZ!
http://history.acusd.edu/gen/WW2timeline/Europe09.html
Does that suit you better? Or do we need to rewrite history for you so that it will show no U.S. help to Europe in WWII?
Let me guess, you're Russian?
Yet AGAIN your link shows nothing that says how America realy helped out Russia or Europe, i already know you gave us lend lease, however as i have already stated Russia used 1% American goods 99% Russian, your tanks couldnt even counter a German Panzer, the only reason American and British forces won tank fights is due to numbers, the T-34 was one of the only tanks that could outperform a german tank. Just give up on your stupid arguement that is wrong... ok, you helped Russia but plz dont make rediculus claims that you saved Europe or Russia.
As to being Russian read my ID.... Note the From: UK!!!
A. Russia could have done it with the full might of Germany bearing against it? You've quoted a number of 90% of Germany was dedicated to Russia. Although I find that kind of high, I would defer to your number, but only so far as to say it was for that particular engagement.
B. Had Russia accomplished the overthrow of Germany on its own that Russia would have rebuilt Europe?
You're from the UK and your english is that bad???Vilham wrote:
You realy amaze me...HM1{N} wrote:
OH, I'm so sorry a historical timeline doesn't suit you, how about this timeline?Vilham wrote:
Lol you have posted a link that has no support for your argument, the Russians needed NO support from America. The percentage of American material in Russia was something like 1%.
Go read up your own links before you try and comment on WWII PLZ!
http://history.acusd.edu/gen/WW2timeline/Europe09.html
Does that suit you better? Or do we need to rewrite history for you so that it will show no U.S. help to Europe in WWII?
Let me guess, you're Russian?
Yet AGAIN your link shows nothing that says how America realy helped out Russia or Europe, i already know you gave us lend lease, however as i have already stated Russia used 1% American goods 99% Russian, your tanks couldnt even counter a German Panzer, the only reason American and British forces won tank fights is due to numbers, the T-34 was one of the only tanks that could outperform a german tank. Just give up on your stupid arguement that is wrong... ok, you helped Russia but plz dont make rediculus claims that you saved Europe or Russia.
As to being Russian read my ID.... Note the From: UK!!!
It is correct that more than atleast 60% of their forces were in Russia, it may not be exactly 90 it might be nearer 80%, however that is still a huge amount of their forces, im not going to go through all my WWII history books for the exact figure although i believe it was in Stalingrad by Antony Beevor.sgt_mango333 wrote:
But do you honestly think (this is a probe, not a jab) that:Vilham wrote:
You realy amaze me...HM1{N} wrote:
OH, I'm so sorry a historical timeline doesn't suit you, how about this timeline?
http://history.acusd.edu/gen/WW2timeline/Europe09.html
Does that suit you better? Or do we need to rewrite history for you so that it will show no U.S. help to Europe in WWII?
Let me guess, you're Russian?
Yet AGAIN your link shows nothing that says how America realy helped out Russia or Europe, i already know you gave us lend lease, however as i have already stated Russia used 1% American goods 99% Russian, your tanks couldnt even counter a German Panzer, the only reason American and British forces won tank fights is due to numbers, the T-34 was one of the only tanks that could outperform a german tank. Just give up on your stupid arguement that is wrong... ok, you helped Russia but plz dont make rediculus claims that you saved Europe or Russia.
As to being Russian read my ID.... Note the From: UK!!!
A. Russia could have done it with the full might of Germany bearing against it? You've quoted a number of 90% of Germany was dedicated to Russia. Although I find that kind of high, I would defer to your number, but only so far as to say it was for that particular engagement.
B. Had Russia accomplished the overthrow of Germany on its own that Russia would have rebuilt Europe?
Yes Russia would have rebuilt Europe which would have been very bad but the simple fact remains that they saved us in WWII, im not going to start debateing the cold war, partly because my knowledge of it is much less than that of WWII.
You didn't say it, I did, and I still stand by it, regardless of how it may rankle some. I'm not a WWII buff, and I'm no historian, but I do know of the wide spread involvement of US forces in both the eastern and western fronts. I don't know of any other country that contributed in kind during that period.HM1{N} wrote:
Wow, I don't remember ever saying that the U.S. saved Europe or Russia. Where did I say that?Vilham wrote:
You realy amaze me...HM1{N} wrote:
OH, I'm so sorry a historical timeline doesn't suit you, how about this timeline?
http://history.acusd.edu/gen/WW2timeline/Europe09.html
Does that suit you better? Or do we need to rewrite history for you so that it will show no U.S. help to Europe in WWII?
Let me guess, you're Russian?
Yet AGAIN your link shows nothing that says how America realy helped out Russia or Europe, i already know you gave us lend lease, however as i have already stated Russia used 1% American goods 99% Russian, your tanks couldnt even counter a German Panzer, the only reason American and British forces won tank fights is due to numbers, the T-34 was one of the only tanks that could outperform a german tank. Just give up on your stupid arguement that is wrong... ok, you helped Russia but plz dont make rediculus claims that you saved Europe or Russia.
Please throw out the numbers if you want to. But also keep in mind, that with exception to Hitler's eventual increased support of the Pacific theater, America had nothing to gain in Europe other than to aid its allies. People seem to overlook this fact when down playing the importance of America's role in WWII.
How about, IN YOUR FACE!Vilham wrote:
Just to say... IN YOUR FACE!HM1{N} wrote:
Seems to me the Russians REALLY needed our help bad:
http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/t … e.htm#1945
And without the U.S. the Russians wouldn't have beaten Germany.
Go read up before you try and comment on WWII PLZ!
Now please stop argueing with me, your bringing me down to your own level.
PS sorry for contributing to derailing this but i hate it when Americans claim that they saved the world in WWII.
Nowhere do I say that the U.S. saved Russia, now did I?
You really need to learn english, I'm sure there are some ESL classes out there in the UK somewhere.
Yes and where is my English bad apart from lack of punctuation that counts for jack shit. Btw you might want to note you write Yankish not English and that probably why you dont understand the long words.HM1{N} wrote:
You're from the UK and your english is that bad???Vilham wrote:
You realy amaze me...HM1{N} wrote:
OH, I'm so sorry a historical timeline doesn't suit you, how about this timeline?
http://history.acusd.edu/gen/WW2timeline/Europe09.html
Does that suit you better? Or do we need to rewrite history for you so that it will show no U.S. help to Europe in WWII?
Let me guess, you're Russian?
Yet AGAIN your link shows nothing that says how America realy helped out Russia or Europe, i already know you gave us lend lease, however as i have already stated Russia used 1% American goods 99% Russian, your tanks couldnt even counter a German Panzer, the only reason American and British forces won tank fights is due to numbers, the T-34 was one of the only tanks that could outperform a german tank. Just give up on your stupid arguement that is wrong... ok, you helped Russia but plz dont make rediculus claims that you saved Europe or Russia.
As to being Russian read my ID.... Note the From: UK!!!
And without the U.S. the Russians wouldn't have beaten Germany.HM1{N} wrote:
How about, IN YOUR FACE!Vilham wrote:
Just to say... IN YOUR FACE!HM1{N} wrote:
Seems to me the Russians REALLY needed our help bad:
http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/t … e.htm#1945
And without the U.S. the Russians wouldn't have beaten Germany.
Go read up before you try and comment on WWII PLZ!
Now please stop argueing with me, your bringing me down to your own level.
PS sorry for contributing to derailing this but i hate it when Americans claim that they saved the world in WWII.
Nowhere do I say that the U.S. saved Russia, now did I?
You really need to learn english, I'm sure there are some ESL classes out there in the UK somewhere.
Right there! It may not be the same words but it accounts to the same thing!
Wow, I see a ban coming...you just have pure hatred for the U.S.Vilham wrote:
Yes and where is my English bad apart from lack of punctuation that counts for jack shit. Btw you might want to note you write Yankish not English and that probably why you dont understand the long words.HM1{N} wrote:
You're from the UK and your english is that bad???Vilham wrote:
You realy amaze me...
Yet AGAIN your link shows nothing that says how America realy helped out Russia or Europe, i already know you gave us lend lease, however as i have already stated Russia used 1% American goods 99% Russian, your tanks couldnt even counter a German Panzer, the only reason American and British forces won tank fights is due to numbers, the T-34 was one of the only tanks that could outperform a german tank. Just give up on your stupid arguement that is wrong... ok, you helped Russia but plz dont make rediculus claims that you saved Europe or Russia.
As to being Russian read my ID.... Note the From: UK!!!
Please go away.
OH, this is how you spell "derailing". Not deraeling.
This is how you spell "really", not realy.
This is how you spell "couldn't", not couldnt.
This (and I find this really ironic) is how you spell "argument", not arguement.
This is how you write a complete sentence:
Yes, and where is my English bad apart from "my" lack of punctuation? <--corrected
This is an incomplete sentence:
That counts for jack shit. <--Incomplete sentence Should be "Vilham's english punctuation skills don't count for jack shit."
How's that for Yankish?
Have a nice day.
Last edited by HM1{N} (2006-08-31 12:43:24)
A-That one was answered before. Again you are supposing.sgt_mango333 wrote:
But do you honestly think (this is a probe, not a jab) that:Vilham wrote:
You realy amaze me...HM1{N} wrote:
OH, I'm so sorry a historical timeline doesn't suit you, how about this timeline?
http://history.acusd.edu/gen/WW2timeline/Europe09.html
Does that suit you better? Or do we need to rewrite history for you so that it will show no U.S. help to Europe in WWII?
Let me guess, you're Russian?
Yet AGAIN your link shows nothing that says how America realy helped out Russia or Europe, i already know you gave us lend lease, however as i have already stated Russia used 1% American goods 99% Russian, your tanks couldnt even counter a German Panzer, the only reason American and British forces won tank fights is due to numbers, the T-34 was one of the only tanks that could outperform a german tank. Just give up on your stupid arguement that is wrong... ok, you helped Russia but plz dont make rediculus claims that you saved Europe or Russia.
As to being Russian read my ID.... Note the From: UK!!!
A. Russia could have done it with the full might of Germany bearing against it? You've quoted a number of 90% of Germany was dedicated to Russia. Although I find that kind of high, I would defer to your number, but only so far as to say it was for that particular engagement.
B. Had Russia accomplished the overthrow of Germany on its own that Russia would have rebuilt Europe?
B-The only reason US created the Marshall Plan or the rebuilding of Europe, was to make Europe stronger to stop and repell communism. They offered help to Russia and allies, but with certain conditions, like making political reforms, thing that didn't happen at that moment, and of course USSR didn't get any help at all. So, US didn't help Europe as a charity act, it was done thinking in its own good.
Stop bickering ladies - everybody knows that it was Hezbollah that defeated Germany and liberated Europe.Vilham wrote:
And without the U.S. the Russians wouldn't have beaten Germany.HM1{N} wrote:
How about, IN YOUR FACE!Vilham wrote:
Just to say... IN YOUR FACE!
Now please stop argueing with me, your bringing me down to your own level.
PS sorry for contributing to derailing this but i hate it when Americans claim that they saved the world in WWII.
Nowhere do I say that the U.S. saved Russia, now did I?
You really need to learn english, I'm sure there are some ESL classes out there in the UK somewhere.
Right there! It may not be the same words but it accounts to the same thing!
So now i disproved you as a fool you try to do the "im more mature than you, i dont get persoanl but give sly insults" thing. I dont hate America i hate ignorant and arrogant Americans that try to claim that America saved the rest of the world in WWII.HM1{N} wrote:
Wow, I see a ban coming...you just have pure hatred for the U.S.Vilham wrote:
Yes and where is my English bad apart from lack of punctuation that counts for jack shit. Btw you might want to note you write Yankish not English and that probably why you dont understand the long words.HM1{N} wrote:
You're from the UK and your english is that bad???
Please go away.
The two soldiers you lot talk about have not been kidnapped, they are simply prisoners of war. And taking prisoners is not an act of terrorism, even though the israelis and the U.S will claim this. However, collectively punishing an entire people for the acts of some of the same people, is terrorism. Which must mean the Israeli military is a terrorist organisation as well. And even worse, this terrorist organisation is funded by Israel.
I am no anti-semit, but i must say, zionist piss me off!
I am no anti-semit, but i must say, zionist piss me off!
Sorry o great one.. I did appologise for helping to derail. I just dont like it when people write something then claim they didnt say something because its not exactly the same words.CameronPoe wrote:
Stop bickering ladies - everybody knows that it was Hezbollah that defeated Germany and liberated Europe.Vilham wrote:
And without the U.S. the Russians wouldn't have beaten Germany.HM1{N} wrote:
How about, IN YOUR FACE!
Nowhere do I say that the U.S. saved Russia, now did I?
You really need to learn english, I'm sure there are some ESL classes out there in the UK somewhere.
Right there! It may not be the same words but it accounts to the same thing!
Sorry to rehash this again but please clarify:Bertster7 wrote:
I do condone Hezbollah guerilla fighters defending their country against Israeli incursions....
1) What is the Hezbollah's country?
2) Are you talking about Israel's incursion into Lebanon after they attacked Israel? or Are you talking about 1948?
I think you're saying they are defending themselves against the current attack. But I'm not sure about the country - unless it's Palestine. But then why would they attack to support the Hamas? I'm not seeing that as an act of self defense....
lol, +1CameronPoe wrote:
Stop bickering ladies - everybody knows that it was Hezbollah that defeated Germany and liberated Europe.Vilham wrote:
And without the U.S. the Russians wouldn't have beaten Germany.HM1{N} wrote:
How about, IN YOUR FACE!
Nowhere do I say that the U.S. saved Russia, now did I?
You really need to learn english, I'm sure there are some ESL classes out there in the UK somewhere.
Right there! It may not be the same words but it accounts to the same thing!
HM1{N} wrote:
lol, +1CameronPoe wrote:
Stop bickering ladies - everybody knows that it was Hezbollah that defeated Germany and liberated Europe.Vilham wrote:
And without the U.S. the Russians wouldn't have beaten Germany.
Right there! It may not be the same words but it accounts to the same thing!
I just love it when people interpret things in a way to suit their own agenda, like your obvious hatred for the U.S.Vilham wrote:
Sorry o great one.. I did appologise for helping to derail. I just dont like it when people write something then claim they didnt say something because its not exactly the same words.CameronPoe wrote:
Stop bickering ladies - everybody knows that it was Hezbollah that defeated Germany and liberated Europe.Vilham wrote:
And without the U.S. the Russians wouldn't have beaten Germany.
Right there! It may not be the same words but it accounts to the same thing!
Also, it doesn't mean the same thing as saving Europe and Russia at all: it's just your poor grasp of English that has you thinking that way.
Last edited by HM1{N} (2006-08-31 12:48:02)
I'm tired about the US saved/no it didn't argument. Can we just let this stuff die next time around?Vilham wrote:
1. Britain wasnt treading water at all, get your facts right.
2. Russia is what saved Europe not USA, even without your help Russia could NOT be conquered by Germany, have you even any idea how huge the Steppes are? The Germans would take the whole mobile stage of a year just to cross them before winter came and the Russians used to fighting in those conditions pushed them back, Russias population was so huge and Stalins commitment to beating Germany was huge. ofcourse there is some opinion that Stalin would agree to have a ceasefire with Hitler but this would just stop Hitler in his tracks, with a ruined economy and population. Invading England was never an option due to lack of fuel and naval power, therefore England was sorted as far as that was concerned, the commonwealth was fully prepared to aid England through out the war much to their credit.
Go read up before you try and comment on WWII PLZ! I literally beg of you.
It goes nowhere, and no one can prove anything - so unless the thread is specifically directed to this topic, can we agree to put this argument where it belongs - in another thread?
Last edited by Pug (2006-08-31 13:01:02)
I think it's time to close this thread altogether.Pug wrote:
I'm tired about the US saved/no it didn't argument. Can we just let this stuff die next time around?Vilham wrote:
1. Britain wasnt treading water at all, get your facts right.
2. Russia is what saved Europe not USA, even without your help Russia could NOT be conquered by Germany, have you even any idea how huge the Steppes are? The Germans would take the whole mobile stage of a year just to cross them before winter came and the Russians used to fighting in those conditions pushed them back, Russias population was so huge and Stalins commitment to beating Germany was huge. ofcourse there is some opinion that Stalin would agree to have a ceasefire with Hitler but this would just stop Hitler in his tracks, with a ruined economy and population. Invading England was never an option due to lack of fuel and naval power, therefore England was sorted as far as that was concerned, the commonwealth was fully prepared to aid England through out the war much to their credit.
Go read up before you try and comment on WWII PLZ! I literally beg of you.
It goes nowhere, and no one can prove anything - so unless the thread is specifically directed to this topic, can we agree to put this argument where it belongs - in another thread?
Can I get an amen?
Saying, "And without the U.S. the Russians wouldn't have beaten Germany." IS the same as saying US saved Russia because if Russia had to beat Germany to be "saved". So you have said that Russia only were saved because of the US. Please stop messing with words. I think your own English needs a look at, and ive said it before ill say it again, you dont speak English!HM1{N} wrote:
I just love it when people interpret things in a way to suit their own agenda, like your obvious hatred for the U.S.Vilham wrote:
Sorry o great one.. I did appologise for helping to derail. I just dont like it when people write something then claim they didnt say something because its not exactly the same words.CameronPoe wrote:
Stop bickering ladies - everybody knows that it was Hezbollah that defeated Germany and liberated Europe.
Also, it doesn't mean the same thing as saving Europe and Russia at all: it's just your poor grasp of English that has you thinking that way.
No, because god doesn't exist ;-pHM1{N} wrote:
I think it's time to close this thread altogether.Pug wrote:
I'm tired about the US saved/no it didn't argument. Can we just let this stuff die next time around?Vilham wrote:
1. Britain wasnt treading water at all, get your facts right.
2. Russia is what saved Europe not USA, even without your help Russia could NOT be conquered by Germany, have you even any idea how huge the Steppes are? The Germans would take the whole mobile stage of a year just to cross them before winter came and the Russians used to fighting in those conditions pushed them back, Russias population was so huge and Stalins commitment to beating Germany was huge. ofcourse there is some opinion that Stalin would agree to have a ceasefire with Hitler but this would just stop Hitler in his tracks, with a ruined economy and population. Invading England was never an option due to lack of fuel and naval power, therefore England was sorted as far as that was concerned, the commonwealth was fully prepared to aid England through out the war much to their credit.
Go read up before you try and comment on WWII PLZ! I literally beg of you.
It goes nowhere, and no one can prove anything - so unless the thread is specifically directed to this topic, can we agree to put this argument where it belongs - in another thread?
Can I get an amen?