Poll

Is Bush an Idiot?

Yes69%69% - 377
No30%30% - 166
Total: 543
Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|6887|SE London

Fancy_Pollux wrote:

Krysiss wrote:

Arghh many people who don't live in the USA. just can't stand the police of bush and there moneyworldwar 3 behavior. (just look at avarge poll from other community countrys)

it's fact bush lied about the WDM in iraq(and now there freaking civil war and bush still denied that)
it''s fact that america is trying to solve iran problem before he resign.
it's fact america dollar will fall(only when is the big question because china can't buy dollars for ever and the world can't give 5000 million)
it's fact there is big socail between rich and poor, guess what 90 of the money is ownd by 10 procent of the people)

I think america itself has big problem to solve out first.
As unnecessarily difficult your post was to comprehend, I'm going to make one thing evident:

The US operates under a free-enterprise economy. Citizens are allowed to earn a living in a competitive market without excessive intervention or regulation by the government. The rich earn their money by succeeding in this system. This success is dependant on many factors, including education. However, in the dictatorships of today, people are not given that opportunity. They are FORCED into poverty, while the few in control of the country also control the majority of the wealth. There's a difference between having no option and simply being to lazy or stupid to earn a decent living.
Very true, for the most part.

There is however a cycle of perpetuation based on priviledge, which means the children of rich parents tend to grow up to be rich and the children of poor parents tend to grow up to be poor. The majority of American citizens are middle class (I think - I don't actually have any facts to base that on) and their children will tend to grow up to be relatively financially secure.

It is not as simple as you can earn a decent living provided you aren't lazy or stupid - but that certainly is a big factor.
Krysiss
Member
+15|6780|NL

Fancy_Pollux wrote:

Krysiss wrote:

Arghh many people who don't live in the USA. just can't stand the police of bush and there moneyworldwar 3 behavior. (just look at avarge poll from other community countrys)

it's fact bush lied about the WDM in iraq(and now there freaking civil war and bush still denied that)
it''s fact that america is trying to solve iran problem before he resign.
it's fact america dollar will fall(only when is the big question because china can't buy dollars for ever and the world can't give 5000 million)
it's fact there is big socail between rich and poor, guess what 90 of the money is ownd by 10 procent of the people)

I think america itself has big problem to solve out first.
As unnecessarily difficult your post was to comprehend, I'm going to make one thing evident:

The US operates under a free-enterprise economy. Citizens are allowed to earn a living in a competitive market without excessive intervention or regulation by the government. The rich earn their money by succeeding in this system. This success is dependant on many factors, including education. However, in the dictatorships of today, people are not given that opportunity. They are FORCED into poverty, while the few in control of the country also control the majority of the wealth. There's a difference between having no option and simply being to lazy or stupid to earn a decent living.
And to try give people a fair changs to better there lives, is also a total different story. also beeing born rich or poor is just the thing where you been bleshd with.

don't tell me they are lazy if people live like this
http://www.ghettoamerica.com/home.htm just poor example

I'm happy to live in the dutch where everbody have changes to study

facts
http://www.faculty.fairfield.edu/facult … wealth.htm
http://www.multinationalmonitor.org/mm2 … wolff.html

and then to remind mostly poor are the black.
new orleans everbody, they are trying to build new high prices houses instead rebuilding what many people want.

Last edited by Krysiss (2006-08-25 13:09:30)

USAFDude_1988
Will fly for food.
+120|6814|Daytona Beach, FL

The_Shipbuilder wrote:

ExecutionerStyle wrote:

I don't think he's an idiot, he's just a very poor leader.

Now then, I don't like to really flame for other's opinions... but Bush didn't elect himself to the Presidency... a few million people helped out with that one...
Actually, we didn't elect him to the presidency either.
Wow! Six years and you still bring that up? Time to move on bro!
cpt.fass1
The Cap'n Can Make it Hap'n
+329|7002|NJ
Do you think our government robbing us from what could have been a decent president, and something that has shamed us around the world is worth forgetting?
AlbertWesker[RE]
Not Human Anymore
+144|6950|Seattle, WA

cpt.fass1 wrote:

Do you think our government robbing us from what could have been a decent president, and something that has shamed us around the world is worth forgetting?
Your opinion.  Sure President Bush has dropped the ball on a couple of things, but IMO has done a lot more than a great deal other presidents we have had before.  I would say our country is on a better track to better fight terrorism, secure our homeland, and fix domestic problems.  By this I imply that our next president will be more empowered that Bush was President.  Again, this is my opinion, just as I respect yours, no need to flame.  At any rate you want a President that has shamed us around the world that is NOT worth forgetting, Carter's inability to end the Hostage situation with the Ayatollah in the 70's lead to a great gap in the 80's and 90's and was not fixed by any Administration.  I blame the current Administration and the previous one's almost equally.  Don't even try to blame it all on Bush, that is just blind and uninformed hate.
Jinto-sk
Laid Back Yorkshireman
+183|6897|Scarborough Yorkshire England
The man doesn't inspire confidence, half the time he looks like he doesn't understands what he is saying, "just read the que cards" must be what they say to him.  I was amazed he got voted in for a second term.
cpt.fass1
The Cap'n Can Make it Hap'n
+329|7002|NJ

AlbertWesker[RE] wrote:

cpt.fass1 wrote:

Do you think our government robbing us from what could have been a decent president, and something that has shamed us around the world is worth forgetting?
Your opinion.  Sure President Bush has dropped the ball on a couple of things, but IMO has done a lot more than a great deal other presidents we have had before.  I would say our country is on a better track to better fight terrorism, secure our homeland, and fix domestic problems.  By this I imply that our next president will be more empowered that Bush was President.  Again, this is my opinion, just as I respect yours, no need to flame.  At any rate you want a President that has shamed us around the world that is NOT worth forgetting, Carter's inability to end the Hostage situation with the Ayatollah in the 70's lead to a great gap in the 80's and 90's and was not fixed by any Administration.  I blame the current Administration and the previous one's almost equally.  Don't even try to blame it all on Bush, that is just blind and uninformed hate.
Bush has droped the ball on a couple things? I'd have to say the majority of the things that he has had the ball he's run into the wrong endzone, but that's just my opion.  What's has bush improved?

Well the last law passed takes away the responsibilty of a corporation from their Pensions, that's protecting the little man? I'll find the link on it soon. I only blame the inablility to hire decent people on Bush and the inaction of the administration on him as well. How many people died in Katrina? I'm feeling all safe in my bed at night knowing that if anything happens I'll have to fend for myself.

And thankfully I'm white so I won't get blamed for "looting"
AlbertWesker[RE]
Not Human Anymore
+144|6950|Seattle, WA

cpt.fass1 wrote:

1) What's has bush improved?

2) responsibilty of a corporation from their Pensions, that's protecting the little man? I'll find the link on it soon.

3) I only blame the inablility to hire decent people on Bush and the inaction of the administration on him as well.

4) How many people died in Katrina?

5) And thankfully I'm white so I won't get blamed for "looting"
1) If you have to ask this question you either, 1 don't know or 2 are too biased to accept facts about certain things, that the economy has been boosted from many things, and also from conservative tax reform and some cuts, while others have had differing effects, the economy wasn't boosted by Bush alone, he doesn't control it with a knob....but he certainly helped out.  And than there are other things that depends on your opinion.  I dunno, I think more jobs and controlled inflation and unemployment are pretty good things.

2) I certainly didn't agree with this one, no need for the link, I know of it.

3) Inaction of the administration....example.  Most people on the cabinet and other parts of the admin are pretty bright and work hard.

4) How is this relevant, how is this directly Bush's fault? Look a little closer at the local [problems and oh I dunno, FEMA, and don't say that just because Bush appointed the FEMA director means that if the FEMA director fails it is Bush's fault...his responsibility, but not his fault cmon.

5) Ha. Ha.

Last edited by AlbertWesker[RE] (2006-08-28 10:50:40)

Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6906|132 and Bush

cpt.fass1 wrote:

. How many people died in Katrina? I'm feeling all safe in my bed at night knowing that if anything happens I'll have to fend for myself.

And thankfully I'm white so I won't get blamed for "looting"
Katrina was a breakdown on all 3 levels of goverment. The majority of the blame in a situation like that should fall on the local goverment. They were warned for 50 years that the levies would not withstand a hurricane of the maginitude.

Nagin turned his nose up at the yellow buses, demanding more comfortable Greyhound coaches instead. Talk about being an idiot.
https://billhobbs.com/hobbsonline/floodedbuses.jpg
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AlbertWesker[RE]
Not Human Anymore
+144|6950|Seattle, WA

Kmarion wrote:

cpt.fass1 wrote:

. How many people died in Katrina? I'm feeling all safe in my bed at night knowing that if anything happens I'll have to fend for myself.

And thankfully I'm white so I won't get blamed for "looting"
Katrina was a breakdown on all 3 levels of goverment. The majority of the blame in a situation like that should fall on the local goverment. They were warned for 50 years that the levies would not withstand a hurricane of the maginitude.

Nagin turned his nose up at the yellow buses, demanding more comfortable Greyhound coaches instead. Talk about being an idiot.
http://billhobbs.com/hobbsonline/floodedbuses.jpg
BAM!!! Exactly what I mean, and yes I agree there were failures at all 3 levels, but cmon to not utilize those buses was just SOOOOOO unbelievably ignorant.  You want someone to blame DIRECTLY, theres the mayor.
Paco_the_Insane
Phorum Phantom
+244|6950|Ohio

AlbertWesker[RE] wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

cpt.fass1 wrote:

. How many people died in Katrina? I'm feeling all safe in my bed at night knowing that if anything happens I'll have to fend for myself.

And thankfully I'm white so I won't get blamed for "looting"
Katrina was a breakdown on all 3 levels of goverment. The majority of the blame in a situation like that should fall on the local goverment. They were warned for 50 years that the levies would not withstand a hurricane of the maginitude.

Nagin turned his nose up at the yellow buses, demanding more comfortable Greyhound coaches instead. Talk about being an idiot.
http://billhobbs.com/hobbsonline/floodedbuses.jpg
BAM!!! Exactly what I mean, and yes I agree there were failures at all 3 levels, but cmon to not utilize those buses was just SOOOOOO unbelievably ignorant.  You want someone to blame DIRECTLY, theres the mayor.
We dont need no education, we dont need no thought control. No dark sarcasm in the classroom, teachers leave those kids alone. Hey, teacher leave those kids alone! All in all your just another brick in the wall. All in all your just another brick in the wall.
AlbertWesker[RE]
Not Human Anymore
+144|6950|Seattle, WA

Paco_the_Insane wrote:

We dont need no education, we dont need no thought control. No dark sarcasm in the classroom, teachers leave those kids alone. Hey, teacher leave those kids alone! All in all your just another brick in the wall. All in all your just another brick in the wall.
Yeah go Pink Floyd.....

znozer
Viking fool - Crazy SWE
+162|6850|Sverige (SWE)
My sig who'd fit him perfect.......
klassekock
Proud Born Loser
+68|6892|Sweden

The_Shipbuilder wrote:

ExecutionerStyle wrote:

I don't think he's an idiot, he's just a very poor leader.

Now then, I don't like to really flame for other's opinions... but Bush didn't elect himself to the Presidency... a few million people helped out with that one...
Actually, we didn't elect him to the presidency either.
Jeeeesuuus! After looking at that vid I am surprised that you country isn't totally messed up or worse (whatever that would be).  I am so happy not to be american. With a leader like that i would feel ashamed!
klassekock
Proud Born Loser
+68|6892|Sweden
Have you americans ever considered to vote Homer Simpson for president? It could get better for you............
cpt.fass1
The Cap'n Can Make it Hap'n
+329|7002|NJ

AlbertWesker[RE] wrote:

cpt.fass1 wrote:

1) What's has bush improved?

2) responsibilty of a corporation from their Pensions, that's protecting the little man? I'll find the link on it soon.

3) I only blame the inablility to hire decent people on Bush and the inaction of the administration on him as well.

4) How many people died in Katrina?

5) And thankfully I'm white so I won't get blamed for "looting"
1) If you have to ask this question you either, 1 don't know or 2 are too biased to accept facts about certain things, that the economy has been boosted from many things, and also from conservative tax reform and some cuts, while others have had differing effects, the economy wasn't boosted by Bush alone, he doesn't control it with a knob....but he certainly helped out.  And than there are other things that depends on your opinion.  I dunno, I think more jobs and controlled inflation and unemployment are pretty good things.

2) I certainly didn't agree with this one, no need for the link, I know of it.

3) Inaction of the administration....example.  Most people on the cabinet and other parts of the admin are pretty bright and work hard.

4) How is this relevant, how is this directly Bush's fault? Look a little closer at the local [problems and oh I dunno, FEMA, and don't say that just because Bush appointed the FEMA director means that if the FEMA director fails it is Bush's fault...his responsibility, but not his fault cmon.

5) Ha. Ha.
1. I'm really not to confident of our econimic stability right now, I feel like some numbers are inflated considering they did change how they look at unemployeement. Also we are in the largest foreclosure with homes right now due to trying to offset inflation and this will cause a huge problem in a few years.  Jobs are good but quality of jobs are good too, remember we are 13th ranked in the world in Quality of Life.

2. I need the link and that's a huge diss to the common man.

3. I look at the government as a company you have your local who handles small matters, state who handles biger problems, then Federal who handles big problems. Now even though the Mayor droped the ball and I know he did too I think he should have retired(forceablly too), when hireing people who are not qualified for a job you get this kinda response.   If you going to hired a casher for a fast food joint are you going to hire the kid who droped out of school at 12 years old? or look for someone who can do math?
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6906|132 and Bush

Paco_the_Insane wrote:

We dont need no education,.
Yes you do, that's a double negative .
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AlbertWesker[RE]
Not Human Anymore
+144|6950|Seattle, WA

cpt.fass1 wrote:

1. I'm really not to confident of our econimic stability right now, I feel like some numbers are inflated considering they did change how they look at unemployeement. Also we are in the largest foreclosure with homes right now due to trying to offset inflation and this will cause a huge problem in a few years.  Jobs are good but quality of jobs are good too, remember we are 13th ranked in the world in Quality of Life.

2. I need the link and that's a huge diss to the common man.

3. I look at the government as a company you have your local who handles small matters, state who handles biger problems, then Federal who handles big problems. Now even though the Mayor droped the ball and I know he did too I think he should have retired(forceablly too), when hireing people who are not qualified for a job you get this kinda response.   If you going to hired a casher for a fast food joint are you going to hire the kid who droped out of school at 12 years old? or look for someone who can do math?
1) Hmmm, I think you're reading too many talking points and not the financial times.  Sure there are a couple of problems, but the economy is on a very good track right now.  I don't know where you've been, but take an economics class my friend.  And we're ranked 12th (Ranked Report as of 2004) But those reports are as anecdotal as it gets.  Its only a small portion of each country that responds, you can't accurately base any claims off that.

2) I agree with you it is.

3) Yes I agree with you completely, but you implied it was Bush's fault directly........so I responded accordingly.
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6906|132 and Bush

cpt.fass1 wrote:

3. I look at the government as a company you have your local who handles small matters, state who handles biger problems, then Federal who handles big problems. Now even though the Mayor droped the ball and I know he did too I think he should have retired(forceablly too), when hireing people who are not qualified for a job you get this kinda response.   If you going to hired a casher for a fast food joint are you going to hire the kid who droped out of school at 12 years old? or look for someone who can do math?
If the kid working at the local software store decides to stand up on the counter and start pissing all over the customers you can't very well blame Bill Gates (Athough I think some would)..lol
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cpt.fass1
The Cap'n Can Make it Hap'n
+329|7002|NJ
Nope but you can blame the manager who hired him?
AlbertWesker[RE]
Not Human Anymore
+144|6950|Seattle, WA

cpt.fass1 wrote:

Nope but you can blame the manager who hired him?
NOO, because it was unforseeable that this person was going to go nutz and piss on shit.  Cmon.
cpt.fass1
The Cap'n Can Make it Hap'n
+329|7002|NJ
Not if it was on his resume... And that guy didn't have the resume for the job..
jonsimon
Member
+224|6801

AlbertWesker[RE] wrote:

cpt.fass1 wrote:

Nope but you can blame the manager who hired him?
NOO, because it was unforseeable that this person was going to go nutz and piss on shit.  Cmon.
Thats an unreasonable analogy. Nagin didn't order police to set buildings on fire.

A more reasonable analogy would be a clerk who can't add, and as a result holds up the checkout line. It is the managers fault for not understanding the subordinates incompetence.
AlbertWesker[RE]
Not Human Anymore
+144|6950|Seattle, WA

cpt.fass1 wrote:

Not if it was on his resume... And that guy didn't have the resume for the job..
!?!?! How do you know, and yeah assuming it was on his resume that this kid had pissed on things before, which it probably wasn't.  Than you can't blame the manager because he took all precautions in hiring.  Just because someone makes a major mistake that was UNFORSEEABLE, you CAN NOT BLAME the TOP!!! OMFG
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6906|132 and Bush

cpt.fass1 wrote:

Nope but you can blame the manager who hired him?
I'm guessing the manager would be the people who elected them?
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