sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7001|Argentina
I found this article in a local newspaper and put you a link in english to NY Times.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/27/world … ref=slogin
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6895|USA

sergeriver wrote:

I found this article in a local newspaper and put you a link in english to NY Times.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/27/world … ref=slogin
any opinions as t owhat should be done about it?? If anything.
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7001|Argentina
I don't know.  I think Iraq was a good defense against Iran, but now it ain't a threat to Iran.  I think they're going to use the plutonium for energy purposes, but they're probably using it for nuclear weapons as well.  They have a deadline on august 31, but I think they don't give a damn for that, if they open this facility 5 days before.  That's because I think war in iran is about to start.

Last edited by sergeriver (2006-08-27 05:44:28)

lowing
Banned
+1,662|6895|USA

sergeriver wrote:

I don't know.  I think Iraq was a good defense against Iran, but now it ain't a threat to Iran.  I think they're going to use the plutonium for energy purposes, but they're probably using it for nuclear weapons as well.  They have a deadline on august 31, but I think they don't give a damn for that, if they open this facility 5 days before.  That's because I think war in iran is about to start.
Well, this going to sound condescending but, I opt for the US to let whatever happens happen. For better or worse, America can ill afford to get tangled up in yet another quagmire. Iran is going to be more of a problem to THAT side of the world than this side. I say, let Europe handle it. I feel if the US refuses to do the dirty work, (that is, the work that everyone WANTS to see done but likes to sit in the background and NOT get THEIR hands dirty with controversy) the EU will criticize the US for letting this threat grow., and beg for them to do something.
oug
Calmer than you are.
+380|6763|Πάϊ
Iran is entitled to have nukes as much as the US, Israel, Pakistan, India, France etc etc. All these governments are equally irresponsible in having them so one more won't hurt nobody. It may even bring stability to the area.
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jonsimon
Member
+224|6739
I think Iran gets points for standing up to the bully nations.

As for nukes, I just hope to god we never press them into using nukes.
aardfrith
Δ > x > ¥
+145|7036
Iran says it doesn't want nuclear weapons.  From the news report I saw, they would need an enrichment plant (which they don't currently have) to make such weapons but not for nuclear power, so let that be the line in the sand.  If they construct an enrichment plant, then we'll know but right now, let them have nuclear power.
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7001|Argentina
I think they have the right to have nuclear power, but what if they use it for gettin nukes, they might not use 'em but another unstable country with nuclear weapons is a threat.
ghettoperson
Member
+1,943|6893

lowing wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

I don't know.  I think Iraq was a good defense against Iran, but now it ain't a threat to Iran.  I think they're going to use the plutonium for energy purposes, but they're probably using it for nuclear weapons as well.  They have a deadline on august 31, but I think they don't give a damn for that, if they open this facility 5 days before.  That's because I think war in iran is about to start.
Well, this going to sound condescending but, I opt for the US to let whatever happens happen. For better or worse, America can ill afford to get tangled up in yet another quagmire. Iran is going to be more of a problem to THAT side of the world than this side. I say, let Europe handle it. I feel if the US refuses to do the dirty work, (that is, the work that everyone WANTS to see done but likes to sit in the background and NOT get THEIR hands dirty with controversy) the EU will criticize the US for letting this threat grow., and beg for them to do something.
I had to check the poster of this several times, but it's true, I actually agree with you on something. Unless someone has hard facts that they are building nukes there, leave them to it. TBH, it wouldn't bother me that much if they had nukes, except for the fact that they'll start handing them out to terrorists. So if they build some nukes, nuke it first and be done with the whole matter. Who can actually be bothered to go invade another country?
spray_and_pray
Member
+52|6735|Perth. Western Australia
People actually beleive that Iran is going to make nukes hah like posted you need an enrichment plant which Iran hasnt got.
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6773|Global Command

lowing wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

I don't know.  I think Iraq was a good defense against Iran, but now it ain't a threat to Iran.  I think they're going to use the plutonium for energy purposes, but they're probably using it for nuclear weapons as well.  They have a deadline on august 31, but I think they don't give a damn for that, if they open this facility 5 days before.  That's because I think war in iran is about to start.
Well, this going to sound condescending but, I opt for the US to let whatever happens happen. For better or worse, America can ill afford to get tangled up in yet another quagmire. Iran is going to be more of a problem to THAT side of the world than this side. I say, let Europe handle it. I feel if the US refuses to do the dirty work, (that is, the work that everyone WANTS to see done but likes to sit in the background and NOT get THEIR hands dirty with controversy) the EU will criticize the US for letting this threat grow., and beg for them to do something.
Lowing lowing lowing...
They will not paint an Iranian flag on a warhead and launch it at Tel Aviv. They will cause it to be possible for a sale or " security breach " at one of their facilities and wala, insane islamofacist have a bomb.
     A new radical group will appear and Israel would be nuked. They would respond, and soon mushroom clouds will be appearing all over the world like a cataclyismic Fourth of July fireworks show.
     It is a doomsday scenario more real than the cold war.
     See, the Russians could be faced off with the threat of destruction. These people rejoice when their children and family members blow themselves up in a crowd of strangers. This is a monsterous depravity and truely a cultural mental disorder.
     They don't care about getting nuked; they probably visualize mushroom clouds when they masterbate. Anything that leads to the destruction of Israel is alright.
     We should try to assist the Iranian people in overthrowing that government. The young people do not want the Mullahs to be in charge. Its either that, or we will be involved in a massive war with them, and most of the Middle East.
..teddy..jimmy
Member
+1,393|6893
I say we let Iran develop nuclear power stations, however, not on Iranian soil. Perhaps on Russian soil as has been discussed earlier. (couldnt be fucked to read the article so i could be way off topic )
-xXx-MoFo
Member
+5|6862
Man .. Fuck those Iranians Scumbags,, Their AIDS ridden country and drug infested paradise.They dont give a rats ass about us .The are as western as we are almost. Its all propaganda in that country.They are out to look like bad asses thats bullshit about the energy bit. Its to try and rule the mid-east ,take over The jewland and get all that oil...   LOL but look at that guy in that pic their so called leader... He has this stupid face that you just want to punch the fuck in....

I cant stand leaders of countries and their bitches who talk shit and start shit over pure fucking jealousy.
Iran is a perfect fucking example, as was Iraq ( and wheres is Sadamm now) As was Kadafi (He's a nice man now) and so on and so on and so on....

The crap of it is we would have ran that place down by now but since big brother and mother ( China and Russia) Make so much god damn money off of Iran we have yet to stomp some ass over there.

I feel for the people who are dying in these countries but their leaders and governments can kiss my American ass
-xXx-MoFo
Member
+5|6862

ATG wrote:

We should try to assist the Iranian people in overthrowing that government. The young people do not want the Mullahs to be in charge. Its either that, or we will be involved in a massive war with them, and most of the Middle East.
Totally ,, Thats just it , Its not as much the people its their filthy government who cant get with the program...
Karma +1 to you fucker
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7001|Argentina
I'm not sure, but it seems to me that they're trying to get nukes, or perhaps they're already developin' nukes.  Anyway, I don't trust the irani government.  You know, I'm from Argentina, and here they blew with 100kg of C4 Israel embassy and AMIA jewish organization, different years, but killing more than 200 people.  And there are a lot of evidences that the attacks were made by Iran.  So, why would you trust this assholes.  The same way I defend Lebanon and Palestine, I'm against Iran, because I think it is the major threat of all countries in the M.E., and they sure will try to nuke Israel.
jonsimon
Member
+224|6739

-xXx-MoFo wrote:

ATG wrote:

We should try to assist the Iranian people in overthrowing that government. The young people do not want the Mullahs to be in charge. Its either that, or we will be involved in a massive war with them, and most of the Middle East.
Totally ,, Thats just it , Its not as much the people its their filthy government who cant get with the program...
Karma +1 to you fucker
Uh. Guys, we tried overthrowing their government. They didn't like the oppressive prick we gave them and they overthrew him. I think we've lost our street cred in Iran.
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6773|Global Command
Could be. But what about the peoples natural desire for freedom?
{TL}SHARPSHOOTER
Vacuum Sealed for Freshness
+26|6989|The Island of Carls Jr.
I know! Lets nuke the fuck outta Iran b4 they hit us! But seriously I agree with leaving the Iranians to whatever the fuck they want for know.
1. Were still dealing with Iraq
2. We STILL have troops in Afghanistan
3. After they get that fancy energy-thingymajigy theyre not gonna get a real good nuke for a long time...or
are they...dun dun dun...
norge
J-10 and a coke please
+18|6714

lowing wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

I don't know.  I think Iraq was a good defense against Iran, but now it ain't a threat to Iran.  I think they're going to use the plutonium for energy purposes, but they're probably using it for nuclear weapons as well.  They have a deadline on august 31, but I think they don't give a damn for that, if they open this facility 5 days before.  That's because I think war in iran is about to start.
Well, this going to sound condescending but, I opt for the US to let whatever happens happen. For better or worse, America can ill afford to get tangled up in yet another quagmire. Iran is going to be more of a problem to THAT side of the world than this side. I say, let Europe handle it. I feel if the US refuses to do the dirty work, (that is, the work that everyone WANTS to see done but likes to sit in the background and NOT get THEIR hands dirty with controversy) the EU will criticize the US for letting this threat grow., and beg for them to do something.
theres no way that will work in the real world man.  If any one nation EVER uses another nuclear weapon, every other country that possesses them will think that they have the right to  use theirs now, which of course leads to nuclear winter.  We cant just let happen what happens, but we cant go to war over a power plant.  We need sanctions, we need people over there, making sure they dont blow themselves up.  we need regulations and restrictions.
JimmyBotswana
Member
+82|6830|Montreal
They won't have a nuclear weapon for ten years according to recent intelligence estimates. So why all the panic?
beerface702
Member
+65|6937|las vegas
they certainly have the capability of launching warheads.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shahab-3

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghadr-110

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fajr-3_%28MIRV%29

amoung other methods of shorter range.

how do you know they dont have enrichment plants? they have done some primitive enrichment already for power levels. not neccesraily hydrogen bomb status. it will be a short year or 2 before they have.

and whoever thinks they arnt going to develop a nuke to defend there soil, is a moron

Last edited by beerface702 (2006-08-27 20:51:35)

alpinestar
Member
+304|6840|New York City baby.
Like any other country they have the right to defend at all possible cost, i would hate to see america strike first if they do, it could take catastrophical measures on us all beeing that Russia is a good economical friend to Iran and Putin doesn't fuck around.

Last edited by alpinestar (2006-08-27 20:57:43)

EVieira
Member
+105|6722|Lutenblaag, Molvania

ATG wrote:

We should try to assist the Iranian people in overthrowing that government. The young people do not want the Mullahs to be in charge. Its either that, or we will be involved in a massive war with them, and most of the Middle East.
Yeah, US knows best for the world. Haven't you people learned anything from the regime that the US helped install in Afghanistan? It was called TALIBAN... Or that guy the you helped keep in power by supplying him with weapons (including chemical ones) called SADDAM HUSSEIN?

Yeah, thats the ticket. Lets fuck up yet another country, this time a democratic one, by inciting revolt in it. Anyway, if thats the only salvation from a major war in the middle east then we're screwed. Iranians seem to be quite supportive of their government.

Edited for spelling

Last edited by EVieira (2006-08-27 21:00:56)

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cpt.fass1
The Cap'n Can Make it Hap'n
+329|6940|NJ

lowing wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

I don't know.  I think Iraq was a good defense against Iran, but now it ain't a threat to Iran.  I think they're going to use the plutonium for energy purposes, but they're probably using it for nuclear weapons as well.  They have a deadline on august 31, but I think they don't give a damn for that, if they open this facility 5 days before.  That's because I think war in iran is about to start.
Well, this going to sound condescending but, I opt for the US to let whatever happens happen. For better or worse, America can ill afford to get tangled up in yet another quagmire. Iran is going to be more of a problem to THAT side of the world than this side. I say, let Europe handle it. I feel if the US refuses to do the dirty work, (that is, the work that everyone WANTS to see done but likes to sit in the background and NOT get THEIR hands dirty with controversy) the EU will criticize the US for letting this threat grow., and beg for them to do something.
Wow I kinda agree with you, and feel so dirty about it.
SonofASniper
Pump It Baby, Pump it!
+34|6780|Oregon
The reality is that someday a major nuclear device will be detonated an will cause major destruction.  As more and more countries continue to gain nuclear power (Pakistan, India, and N. Korea are the most recent), a nuclear device will eventually land into the hands of a terrorist group. Whether on purpose or by accident or by "breach of security", it will happen.  The odds are against us and become worse as each day passes. 

We will as a nation, and a global community be faced with the destruction of a major city somewhere on this small planet.  There will be massive damage, large numbers of casualties, and further consequences that will be felt across the planet.

There is no choice about trying to prevent it.  We have none.  It will happen, unless we cause a global nuclear war by trying to prevent it militarily.   In which case we would have defeated our purpose.

No, it will happen eventually.  The real choice is how we as nations of this planet will react to it when it does.

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