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2006-08-24 01:31:11
Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|6919|Canberra, AUS
But this is just too far.

http://canberra.yourguide.com.au/detail.asp?class=news&subclass=general&story_id=503151&category=general&m=8&y=2006[/quote wrote:


Senators permit pro-life false ads
Danielle Cronin
Friday, 18 August 2006

A move to ban deceptive advertising by pregnancy counselling services has been rejected by a Senate committee because some members claimed it could lead to an increase in abortions.
The decision, effectively to allow false advertising by pro-life, anti-abortion counselling services to continue, was immediately branded by supporters of the Bill as hypocritical.

The Senate Community Affairs Committee handed down its report yesterday on a Private Member's Bill by Australian Democrats senator Natasha Stott Despoja to regulate advertising of pregnancy counselling services.

A "majority report", so-called because it was signed by committee chairman ACT Liberal senator Gary Humphries, supported only by fellow Liberal senator Guy Barnett and Labor senator Helen Polley, recommended the Bill be rejected.



In a "minority report", Labor senators Claire Moore, Ruth Webber and Carol Brown, Greens senator Kerry Nettle and Democrats senators Lyn Allison and Natasha Stott Despoja, supported the Bill.

"There is an urgent need for legislation to outlaw misleading and deceptive advertising by pregnancy counselling services to ensure anti-abortion services are upfront about their stance and women are not misled," Senator Stott Despoja said.

Women should be informed upfront if pregnancy support agencies advised on all three options - having the baby, adoption or abortion.

Women from all political parties had banded together to call for the ban.

Senator Humphries said there was nothing wrong with truth in advertising provided the same rules applied to agencies linked with pro-life groups and abortion clinics.

"Overall the Bill seeks, in the majority's opinion, to hamper the efforts of those pregnancy counselling services which do not refer for abortion by imposing specific requirements for transparency without imposing equivalent provisions on other services, such as those linked to abortion providers," the senators said.

"It appears that the effect of the Bill would be to increase the likelihood of ready referral for abortion."

Reproductive Choice Australia spokesman Dr Leslie Cannold said the hypocrisy was breathtaking.

"All the senators sat in hearings day after day and listened to the pain and confusion women were caused when they realised they had been duped by false advertising into ringing a pro-life counselling service," Dr Cannold said.

"Yet three are now saying the Federal Government should do nothing about it."

More than 15,000 Australians had signed the pro-choice group's petition to support a ban on misleading and deceptive advertising of pregnancy counselling services.

Senator Stott Despoja's Bill would have closed a legal loophole so counselling services were no longer exempt from regulations on advertising.

The Bill was referred to the Senate committee for inquiry, which involved four public hearings and consideration of close to 100 submissions.

Some women complained they had turned to pregnancy counselling services for help but were not informed upfront that the agency took a pro-life stance.

One woman was reportedly told she would be "killing the baby" if she had an abortion and another claimed that she felt bullied by a counsellor who was "really pushing and pressuring me [into] having the child". "They told me I was at increased risk of breast cancer later in life and that I was also at risk of being more infertile," the woman told the committee.

Health Minister Tony Abbott said he would wait and see the contents of the report before commenting.
Of course, all that crap about the 'breast cancer' and 'infertile' is false. SO WHY KEEP DOING IT?

Absolute bullshit.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
2006-08-24 19:58:15
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6773|Global Command
Because perhaps any  excuse to stop murdering innocent children is good enough.
2006-08-24 19:59:53
Aust1mh
Member
+23|6812|Sydney, Australia
Zzzz
Here an ider, lets talk about a game i know...
2006-08-24 20:06:44
Spearhead
Gulf coast redneck hippy
+731|6934|Tampa Bay Florida

ATG wrote:

Because perhaps any  excuse to stop murdering innocent children is good enough.
Ya, okay, if anyone here has even taken a biology class they'd know the cells are far from being children.  But whatever, it's your opinion and chances are it will never change.
2006-08-24 20:08:49
psychotoxic187
Member
+11|6953

Spearhead wrote:

ATG wrote:

Because perhaps any  excuse to stop murdering innocent children is good enough.
Ya, okay, if anyone here has even taken a biology class they'd know the cells are far from being children.  But whatever, it's your opinion and chances are it will never change.
Doesn't change the fact that it's still a living thing. So what's your excuse for partial birth abortions?
2006-08-24 20:19:19
jonsimon
Member
+224|6739

psychotoxic187 wrote:

Spearhead wrote:

ATG wrote:

Because perhaps any  excuse to stop murdering innocent children is good enough.
Ya, okay, if anyone here has even taken a biology class they'd know the cells are far from being children.  But whatever, it's your opinion and chances are it will never change.
Doesn't change the fact that it's still a living thing. So what's your excuse for partial birth abortions?
Oh no, diseases are all living things! We should end antibiotics STAT we're killing living things! Who knows if that strain of influenza might be the next einstein?!
2006-08-24 20:22:38
psychotoxic187
Member
+11|6953

jonsimon wrote:

psychotoxic187 wrote:

Spearhead wrote:


Ya, okay, if anyone here has even taken a biology class they'd know the cells are far from being children.  But whatever, it's your opinion and chances are it will never change.
Doesn't change the fact that it's still a living thing. So what's your excuse for partial birth abortions?
Oh no, diseases are all living things! We should end antibiotics STAT we're killing living things! Who knows if that strain of influenza might be the next einstein?!
Yea, because those are comparable. Wow, you do realize that "thing" has a heartbeat at the 25th day, don't you? Big difference between a disease, and a human being.
2006-08-26 05:54:15
Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|6825|SE London

psychotoxic187 wrote:

jonsimon wrote:

psychotoxic187 wrote:


Doesn't change the fact that it's still a living thing. So what's your excuse for partial birth abortions?
Oh no, diseases are all living things! We should end antibiotics STAT we're killing living things! Who knows if that strain of influenza might be the next einstein?!
Yea, because those are comparable. Wow, you do realize that "thing" has a heartbeat at the 25th day, don't you? Big difference between a disease, and a human being.
Animals have heartbeats too. Are you saying we shouldn't kill them? The issue at point is that it is not human yet and is certainly not sentient.
2006-08-26 06:05:04
therealnicoli
Member
+5|6921
This is going to get bad! Hey, Mayb everyone should stop having sex! Think of all those poor dying sperm! And periods What a waste of a poor precious living egg. How can we do this to living parts of ourselves!!

On a serious note, Don't you think there are enough people on the planet allready, not that i'm saying don't have kids! But why should people have to go through with pregnancy if the baby is not wanted? surely thats just mean to the child when it is born!!
2006-08-26 06:21:41
Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|6825|SE London

therealnicoli wrote:

This is going to get bad! Hey, Mayb everyone should stop having sex! Think of all those poor dying sperm! And periods What a waste of a poor precious living egg. How can we do this to living parts of ourselves!!

On a serious note, Don't you think there are enough people on the planet allready, not that i'm saying don't have kids! But why should people have to go through with pregnancy if the baby is not wanted? surely thats just mean to the child when it is born!!
Good Call.

We need aborted babies, otherwise what am I going to put on my cornflakes in the morning?

On a more serious note, you are entirely right, the world is overpopulated. The big issue is abortions in developing countries where it is even harder for famillies to support their children, abortions should be 100% acceptable - if a mother decides it is necessary, that's a hard enough decision as it is - it shouldn't have any extra stigma attached to it to make it even more difficult for the mother.
2006-08-26 07:23:00
psychotoxic187
Member
+11|6953

Bertster7 wrote:

psychotoxic187 wrote:

jonsimon wrote:


Oh no, diseases are all living things! We should end antibiotics STAT we're killing living things! Who knows if that strain of influenza might be the next einstein?!
Yea, because those are comparable. Wow, you do realize that "thing" has a heartbeat at the 25th day, don't you? Big difference between a disease, and a human being.
Animals have heartbeats too. Are you saying we shouldn't kill them? The issue at point is that it is not human yet and is certainly not sentient.
No, the point is we shouldn't be killing innocent humans, as a means of birth control, wake the fuck up. If you cannot take care of your child, use protection. Also, you can abortions all the way into third trimester, where it is a fully developed human, get real.
2006-08-26 07:24:55
Ikarti
Banned - for ever.
+231|6953|Wilmington, DE, US
There's many orphans out there that need homes that no one really seems to care about. Why are these fetuses so much more important than them?
2006-08-26 07:31:04
TeamZephyr
Maintaining My Rage Since 1975
+124|6773|Hillside, Melbourne, Australia
I'm not suprised that law got passed.

Don't forget that the Australian government is controlled by Howard and his conservative party. The party that is propped up by religious organizations and big business.

And that Pope Cardinal Reverend Minister Tony Abbott (aka irrational religious zealot) is in charge of the Health ministry
2006-08-26 07:41:23
psychotoxic187
Member
+11|6953

Ikarti wrote:

There's many orphans out there that need homes that no one really seems to care about. Why are these fetuses so much more important than them?
They aren't of course, but they aren't being killed because they are not wanted, are they?
2006-08-26 07:42:26
psychotoxic187
Member
+11|6953

zFeinT wrote:

I don't remember when I was inside mommy.  If I would've been killed, I would've have known.  Now, I'm not saying for it - but, hey... it's your choice.  Potential?  Why use that as an excuse.  Potential to be a great scientist, potential to be a criminal; doesn't matter.  Too variable.  Is it strictly murder - no.
It's not potnetial, it's about killing a human life simply because they were to dumb to use protection, what a waste of a life.
2006-08-26 07:44:37
DrunkFace
Germans did 911
+427|6925|Disaster Free Zone

psychotoxic187 wrote:

Bertster7 wrote:

psychotoxic187 wrote:


Yea, because those are comparable. Wow, you do realize that "thing" has a heartbeat at the 25th day, don't you? Big difference between a disease, and a human being.
Animals have heartbeats too. Are you saying we shouldn't kill them? The issue at point is that it is not human yet and is certainly not sentient.
No, the point is we shouldn't be killing innocent humans, as a means of birth control, wake the fuck up. If you cannot take care of your child, use protection. Also, you can abortions all the way into third trimester, where it is a fully developed human, get real.
You make me sick. The shit I'd say to you about how I feel though would probably get me banned. But summed up, anyone who is against abortions shoulld go back to there homes, stick there heads up there asses and let the rest of society get along in life without having to listen to your crap.
2006-08-26 07:53:08
psychotoxic187
Member
+11|6953

DrunkFace wrote:

psychotoxic187 wrote:

Bertster7 wrote:

Animals have heartbeats too. Are you saying we shouldn't kill them? The issue at point is that it is not human yet and is certainly not sentient.
No, the point is we shouldn't be killing innocent humans, as a means of birth control, wake the fuck up. If you cannot take care of your child, use protection. Also, you can abortions all the way into third trimester, where it is a fully developed human, get real.
You make me sick. The shit I'd say to you about how I feel though would probably get me banned. But summed up, anyone who is against abortions shoulld go back to there homes, stick there heads up there asses and let the rest of society get along in life without having to listen to your crap.
Yea, what a valid argument. Look I don't stand on the street with signs, and I certaintly am not passionate about it. I agree it has it's place. but not to the extent of people using it as birth control. So if you care to debate me, as to how it's ethical, and something that is needed, and life saving, be my guest. It's funny, kill a innocent baby, but keep some murderer on death row for 25 years, because he's a human being. Fyi the baby is a fully developed HUMAN at 10 weeks old.

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2006-08-26 07:56:23
znozer
Viking fool - Crazy SWE
+162|6788|Sverige (SWE)
Bf2 / Bf2142 ??????????
2006-08-26 08:38:27
Flecco
iPod is broken.
+1,048|6909|NT, like Mick Dundee

I personally have decided to have no opinion whatsoever on abortion from now on, as I'm a male.
Whoa... Can't believe these forums are still kicking.
2006-08-26 10:35:03
Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|6825|SE London

psychotoxic187 wrote:

DrunkFace wrote:

psychotoxic187 wrote:


No, the point is we shouldn't be killing innocent humans, as a means of birth control, wake the fuck up. If you cannot take care of your child, use protection. Also, you can abortions all the way into third trimester, where it is a fully developed human, get real.
You make me sick. The shit I'd say to you about how I feel though would probably get me banned. But summed up, anyone who is against abortions shoulld go back to there homes, stick there heads up there asses and let the rest of society get along in life without having to listen to your crap.
Yea, what a valid argument. Look I don't stand on the street with signs, and I certaintly am not passionate about it. I agree it has it's place. but not to the extent of people using it as birth control. So if you care to debate me, as to how it's ethical, and something that is needed, and life saving, be my guest. It's funny, kill a innocent baby, but keep some murderer on death row for 25 years, because he's a human being. Fyi the baby is a fully developed HUMAN at 10 weeks old.
Glad to hear it. The people who stand on the streets with signs make me sick - I think it's totally wrong to make a difficult decision for a mother even harder by telling them they are an evil baby murderer. I think all pro-life activists are evil (not all people who are against abortion - but all those facists who enforce their opinions on women who are considering abortions and firebomb abortion clinics). They are terrorists and they should be treated as such, sent off to Gitmo for 50 years without trial - but that's not what happens because their beliefs tie in quite closely with those of the Republican government.
2006-08-26 14:56:16
psychotoxic187
Member
+11|6953

Bertster7 wrote:

psychotoxic187 wrote:

DrunkFace wrote:


You make me sick. The shit I'd say to you about how I feel though would probably get me banned. But summed up, anyone who is against abortions shoulld go back to there homes, stick there heads up there asses and let the rest of society get along in life without having to listen to your crap.
Yea, what a valid argument. Look I don't stand on the street with signs, and I certaintly am not passionate about it. I agree it has it's place. but not to the extent of people using it as birth control. So if you care to debate me, as to how it's ethical, and something that is needed, and life saving, be my guest. It's funny, kill a innocent baby, but keep some murderer on death row for 25 years, because he's a human being. Fyi the baby is a fully developed HUMAN at 10 weeks old.
Glad to hear it. The people who stand on the streets with signs make me sick - I think it's totally wrong to make a difficult decision for a mother even harder by telling them they are an evil baby murderer. I think all pro-life activists are evil (not all people who are against abortion - but all those facists who enforce their opinions on women who are considering abortions and firebomb abortion clinics). They are terrorists and they should be treated as such, sent off to Gitmo for 50 years without trial - but that's not what happens because their beliefs tie in quite closely with those of the Republican government.
You know what's really funny? I'm against abortion, but everytime I see them nitwits on the corner I yell at them to get a life. I mean really, do you need to hold up signs of dead babies? Especially when a young child could be around to see it? They make me sick.

 

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