BVC
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gbr.hitman wrote:

Drinking alcohol makes you violent, unlike cannabis which chills you out. So a person who is drunk will more likely to start a fight than a stoner.

I am a cannabis smoker and have been for the past 5 years, and I am clever believe it or not!

I think they should legalise cannabis but they should put a good amount of tax on it. I would love to go to a shop and ask for a pack of 20 B&H spliffs, instead of rolling them myself.

There are lots of positives from legalising cannabis. It should reduce the amount of dealers, it would give the government more money to spend, and they would make sure that the cannabis has no added ingredients like soap bar has etc. Obviously there would be negatives like if people buy cannabis they might want to try other drugs etc, but in my opinion the positives outway the negatives
I smoke a bit myself though not so much at the moment, can't stand tobacco though.  If you could grow it you wouldn't even need to spend money on it, just water your plants...or maybe keep your nutrient levels right if you wanna go hydro

If you don't mind my asking, whats soap bar?  Over here you get bush and skunk; outdoor or indoor, usually the only process its gone through is having buds cut off and trimmed...the odd bit of oil and hash also, of course, but oil is the more common of the two.

Oh, and cookies are good for those who can't smoke.

Diogenese wrote:

Ewwwww.  I hated Logic. All that P&Q BS.  I got through it, lets just say that.
Congrat's, it is a noble discipline. I double majored by BA w/ Psych.
Who's your favorite?  Mine is Nietzche and other Existentialists.
This is a hijacking!!!!
Logics my thing, I don't have so much of a favourite when it comes to stuff that ain't logic, but Hobbes was always interesting, as were Locke and Rosseau.
DesertFox-
The very model of a modern major general
+796|6946|United States of America

Diogenese wrote:

Slippery slope?  Actually, cigarettes and alcohol are the true gateway drugs. 
I am, again, a test case. I have tried a lot of other drugs, but none to my liking. I like pot and that's it. I started w/ cigarettes, then alcohol, then pot, etc. So maybe you should think before you type. Are you christian? Are you southern? Are you a Republican? Are you a Nazi? You sound it. Rid our society of the scum? These are real people with productive and happy lives. You sir need an education and some cooth!
Do you see me condoning any? There's no nutritional or any type of value in drinking or smoking. I like how you admit to illegal activities though. I find it odd, however that you "like" it. Isn't that what all addicts say about all drugs? They say cocaine and heroin are better than sex. There's nothing like slowed reaction times with that or alcohol or both and then getting behind the wheel of a car, though either. Yet, you should think before you make poor decisions.
How offensive is that next part, though? You are indeed very biased. I am a Catholic in the Great Lakes region, unaffiliated with any specific political party and definately not a Nazi. I am, however, a law abiding citizen. Why is it that drugs are always referred to as "scourges" instead of praised upon by all society? The "real" people are "happy" though, because they're stoned, and not because they have conscious control. It's a chemical causing euphoria and that's it. You need an education, possibly a support group, and whatever "cooth" is.

EDIT: I believe you were meaning to call me "uncouth" or something to that degree. Hmmm.....

Last edited by DesertFox423 (2006-08-24 18:27:32)

jonsimon
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DesertFox423 wrote:

Diogenese wrote:

Slippery slope?  Actually, cigarettes and alcohol are the true gateway drugs. 
I am, again, a test case. I have tried a lot of other drugs, but none to my liking. I like pot and that's it. I started w/ cigarettes, then alcohol, then pot, etc. So maybe you should think before you type. Are you christian? Are you southern? Are you a Republican? Are you a Nazi? You sound it. Rid our society of the scum? These are real people with productive and happy lives. You sir need an education and some cooth!
Do you see me condoning any? There's no nutritional or any type of value in drinking or smoking. I like how you admit to illegal activities though. I find it odd, however that you "like" it. Isn't that what all addicts say about all drugs? They say cocaine and heroin are better than sex. There's nothing like slowed reaction times with that or alcohol or both and then getting behind the wheel of a car, though either. Yet, you should think before you make poor decisions.
How offensive is that next part, though? You are indeed very biased. I am a Catholic in the Great Lakes region, unaffiliated with any specific political party and definately not a Nazi. I am, however, a law abiding citizen. Why is it that drugs are always referred to as "scourges" instead of praised upon by all society? The "real" people are "happy" though, because they're stoned, and not because they have conscious control. It's a chemical causing euphoria and that's it. You need an education, possibly a support group, and whatever "cooth" is.

EDIT: I believe you were meaning to call me "uncouth" or something to that degree. Hmmm.....
So, its a chemical, it makes you feel good, and it impairs your driving. And you think that makes it bad. Guess you don't drink? Want to reinstate prohibition?

And there is nutritional value in drinking small amounts.
DesertFox-
The very model of a modern major general
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Drinking is fine. Kill your cells. There is a reason though why drunken driving IS ILLEGAL though. It is hazardous to others. Impaired judgement won't and slowed reflexes aren't a winning combination on a highway doing 60. No, I do not drink or smoke. Plenty of healthy ways to feel good that are easier and free.
jonsimon
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DesertFox423 wrote:

Drinking is fine. Kill your cells. There is a reason though why drunken driving IS ILLEGAL though. It is hazardous to others. Impaired judgement won't and slowed reflexes aren't a winning combination on a highway doing 60. No, I do not drink or smoke. Plenty of healthy ways to feel good that are easier and free.
So what would be your problem with outlawing DUIMarijuana?
AlbertWesker[RE]
Not Human Anymore
+144|6906|Seattle, WA

Diogenese wrote:

I am sorry for your bad experience. Philosophy is anything but easy and wishy washy.......

PS. Is it CJ or pre-law?
I thought as much, my philosophy professor was on crack than, yeah law can very very...interesting.  Oh and i'm on the CJ route, joining up with a Sheriff's office in about 9 months.
AlbertWesker[RE]
Not Human Anymore
+144|6906|Seattle, WA

jonsimon wrote:

DesertFox423 wrote:

Drinking is fine. Kill your cells. There is a reason though why drunken driving IS ILLEGAL though. It is hazardous to others. Impaired judgement won't and slowed reflexes aren't a winning combination on a highway doing 60. No, I do not drink or smoke. Plenty of healthy ways to feel good that are easier and free.
So what would be your problem with outlawing DUIMarijuana?
Like I said before, I think weed should be legal, and we should tax the living bejeezus out of, end of fu*(@# list.  The state gets mecha money, the stoners are happy, prison's would start being a little more freed up for more violent criminals.  Its a win-win.
Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|6843|SE London

AlbertWesker[RE] wrote:

jonsimon wrote:

DesertFox423 wrote:

Drinking is fine. Kill your cells. There is a reason though why drunken driving IS ILLEGAL though. It is hazardous to others. Impaired judgement won't and slowed reflexes aren't a winning combination on a highway doing 60. No, I do not drink or smoke. Plenty of healthy ways to feel good that are easier and free.
So what would be your problem with outlawing DUIMarijuana?
Like I said before, I think weed should be legal, and we should tax the living bejeezus out of, end of fu*(@# list.  The state gets mecha money, the stoners are happy, prison's would start being a little more freed up for more violent criminals.  Its a win-win.
Makes perfect sense. Works in the Netherlands and although most people don't know it, in Switzerland too. The UK drug classifications have just been revised to class drugs by the harm they do to the user, alcohol is way up near the top of the list (near heroin) whereas weed is quite a long way down.

Isn't DUI with weed already a crime - it is in the UK. It's actually nowhere near as bad as drink driving (there have been tests done) - because when you are drunk you think you can drive just fine (which is one of the main problems), when you're stoned you constantly worry that you might do something wrong and that you're going to mess it up - this leads to drivers trying harder and driving more slowly, which almost makes up for the lack of observation and diminished reflexes.

It should certainly still be illegal though. (*edit* DUI with weed I mean, not weed in general)

Last edited by Bertster7 (2006-08-24 22:07:29)

AlbertWesker[RE]
Not Human Anymore
+144|6906|Seattle, WA

Bertster7 wrote:

1) Isn't DUI with weed already a crime

2) because when you are drunk you think you can drive just fine

3) when you're stoned you constantly worry that you might do something wrong and that you're going to mess it up - this leads to drivers trying harder and driving more slowly
1) Of course.

2 & 3) Not always true, you could easily switch that and say when you're stoned you think you can drive just fine, and when you drink you try harder, it really depends on the person.
BVC
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DesertFox423 wrote:

Why is it that drugs are always referred to as "scourges" instead of praised upon by all society? The "real" people are "happy" though, because they're stoned, and not because they have conscious control.
They're always referred to as "scourges" in anti-legalisation circles, the sort of people who are opposed to the idea of even considering a change in the legal status of drugs simply because they are illegal and therefore MUST be bad...

And for the record I'm only pro-weed-legalisation, some drugs (natural psychadelics) I have no opinion on and for some I'm in favour of retaining their illegal status (heroin, meth etc)

Last edited by Pubic (2006-08-25 01:38:34)

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DesertFox423 wrote:

Sure, it may be true that you can't strictly overdose from puffing the magic dragon, but they do call Mary Jane a "gateway drug." For those of you somehow unfamiliar with the term, you're leading them down a slippery slope into hard core drug use where you can kill yourself.
bullshit. i smoke marijuana for 13 years and never touched any other illegal drugs, because i know to differenciate between harmless and dangerous.

"gateway drug" is a fairytale.
real gateway drugs are alcohol& tobacco... wait.. sugar comes first...little children are addicted to sugar... then they start drinking alcohol and smoking cigarettes.... omg...

please donĀ“t post bullshit anymore, because you have proven, that you know shit about this topic.
gbr.hitman
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Pubic wrote:

If you don't mind my asking, whats soap bar?  Over here you get bush and skunk; outdoor or indoor, usually the only process its gone through is having buds cut off and trimmed...the odd bit of oil and hash also, of course, but oil is the more common of the two.
Soap bar is the solid brown stuff you have to burn and crumble into your spliff. They mix all sort of shit with that stuff from flour to rat poison.
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We dont need a resason they just need to do it!!!

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