I wouldn't say they stole, the took tomato from America, they took pasta from China, and combined the two things, which if you let me say worked perfectly.Ikarti wrote:
Italians stole the tomato and pasta.
One time I had Peruvian chicken and damn. Lets just say I had Niagra Falls coming out of my ass. Ok im not hungry anymore.
This is someone who does not only NOT study history, but also would rather attack a person that the views. I fear it is because the views held by Spearhead are unsupportable. "Because whites have been the aggressors so far in human history?" So, am I to understand that there was no warfare or violence in Africa prior to the 18th century, when British explorers began to study Africa? The entire 4000 year culture of China was unblemished by warfare or violence prior to contact with Europe? Persia? Arabia? Rome? Egypt? You would have us believe these were a paradise peopled by people of color only to be corrupted, enslaved, and repressed by the white man coming from Europe? Learn your history better than that.Spearhead wrote:
Because the whites have been the agressors so far in human history. It's exactly like the Israel/Hezbollah conflict, if you are ignorant in your reasoning, then you're not going to be convinced, because the very way you reason is racist in itself
The problem really stems from the political agenda of portions of the population who see an advantage in maintaining racial tendancies in an effort to gain voters support. Rather than have a person accept responsibility for their own actions, they are given someone else to blame. "See? It is not really YOUR fault. THEY are the ones forcing you to do this. THEY are keeping you in this lifestyle. THEY are making you take drugs. If you vote for US, we will change everything, and give you money to make your life more comfortable, to compensate for how you were treated."
Ever hear things like this?
"We need to care for them, since they can't care for themselves." I say we teach them to care for themselves, then leave them alone to take care of themselves. I would expect the same for myself.
"It is only right that we care for those less fortunate." Less fortunate? As if success were a matter of luck instead of hard work, study, and sacrifice.
"We need to understand their problems, and accept them for who they are." No, I do NOT need to understand your problems. You need to understand your problems. I will not change society to conform to you; you conform to society. If you are a drug dealer, prositute, bum on the street, whatever; you made the descisions that led you there. Yes, you had a rough life, but you had a conscious descision to go down that road, and get ZERO sympathy from me.
I admit I am a social darwinist. Work or starve. I do not care what color you are, or from what culture. The imperitive remains the same. The problem is quickly solved by eliminating goverment handouts. Unemployment, foodstamps, medicare, social security; all of it. Would there be a lot of suffering? Yes, there would. But the culture that makes it through the transition would be stronger for it, and better able to take care of itself.
Ever hear things like this?
"We need to care for them, since they can't care for themselves." I say we teach them to care for themselves, then leave them alone to take care of themselves. I would expect the same for myself.
"It is only right that we care for those less fortunate." Less fortunate? As if success were a matter of luck instead of hard work, study, and sacrifice.
"We need to understand their problems, and accept them for who they are." No, I do NOT need to understand your problems. You need to understand your problems. I will not change society to conform to you; you conform to society. If you are a drug dealer, prositute, bum on the street, whatever; you made the descisions that led you there. Yes, you had a rough life, but you had a conscious descision to go down that road, and get ZERO sympathy from me.
I admit I am a social darwinist. Work or starve. I do not care what color you are, or from what culture. The imperitive remains the same. The problem is quickly solved by eliminating goverment handouts. Unemployment, foodstamps, medicare, social security; all of it. Would there be a lot of suffering? Yes, there would. But the culture that makes it through the transition would be stronger for it, and better able to take care of itself.
Good post, we have the prob here in Holland with them wankers from Maroccolowing wrote:
Most of us conservatives have been called a racist for our views. Then I got sent this email and so I thought I would post it and see the responses. I am not the writer of this email so don't shoot the messenger.
Does anyone have answers to these questions????
You pass me on the street and sneer in my direction. You call me "Whiteboy," "Cracker," "Honkey," "Whitey," "Caveman" and that's OK.
But when I call you, nigger, Kike, Towelhead, Sand-nigger, Camel Jockey, Beaner, Gook, or Chink you call me a racist.
You say that whites commit a lot of violence against you, so why are the ghettos the most dangerous places to live?
You have the United Negro College Fund. You have Martin Luther King Day. You have Black History Month. You have Cesar Chavez Day. You have Yom Hashoah You have Ma'uled Al-Nabi You have the NAACP. You have BET.
If we had WET (White Entertainment Television) we'd be racists. If we had a White Pride Day you would call us racists. If we had white history month, we'd be racists. If we had an organization for only whites to "advance" our lives, we'd be racists. If we had a college fund that only gave white students scholarships,you know we'd be racists. There are over 60 openly proclaimed Black Colleges in the US, yet if there were "White colleges" that would be a racist college.
In the Million Man March, you believed that you were marching for your race and rights. If we marched for our race and rights, you would call us racists.
You are proud to be black, brown, yellow and orange, and you're not afraid to announce it. But when we announce our white pride, you call us racists.
You rob us, carjack us, and shoot at us. But, when a white police officer shoots a black gang member or beats up a black drug-dealer running from the law and posing a threat to society, you call him a racist.
I am proud. But, you call me a racist.
Why is it that only whites can be racists?
+1 for you, would give you an additional +1 but the system doesnt allow me!
We do have a problem when people think that. Both whites and blacks can be blamed for that. I have said this before, rap is a very good indication on to what the majority of blacks think and act. Yes I can separate entertainers from everyone else, but in many ways it's all the same.Ikarti wrote:
You're quoting fucking Busta Rhymes. He's a rapper. An entertainer. Can you not separate entertainment from everything else?topthrill05 wrote:
Here is a quote from Bust Rhyms. "If your not from the ghetto stay the fuck away from the ghetto". Yeah we have a problem.
What about "If you're not from the suburbs, go away or I'll call the police"
Or "If you don't have a country club membership, we're not giving one to you anyway"
Or "If you're walking down the street minding your own business and I'm at a red light, I'm going to lock my doors"
EDIT: As for taking Eid off. Go for it. Worth a shot?
"EDIT: As for taking Eid off. Go for it. Worth a shot?" What is that supposed to mean? And do you have something against me? I don't think I have done anything too you before.
I'm not a racist, I hate everyone equally.
I've got nothing against you, just I take serious issue with taking Busta Rhymes seriously. As if he's the spokesman for Black America. He's a moderately successful rapper. I also take issue with the claim of what the majority of blacks are thinking and acting. Let me put it this way. If you grew up in a poor neighborhood, and the media pushed on you everyday "look how successful X basketball player or rapper is," you would aspire to those professions. I am not blaming the media completely, but it's a very powerful tool. They're aware of that. The tone of hip-hop and rap changed greatly in the past 20 years. Now it's garbage being aggressively marketed to urban communities and also suburban white kids. If you want another example, look at how so many white kids buy expensive garbage clothes from Abercrombie and Fitch and others because of what they see in magazines and on TV.topthrill05 wrote:
We do have a problem when people think that. Both whites and blacks can be blamed for that. I have said this before, rap is a very good indication on to what the majority of blacks think and act. Yes I can separate entertainers from everyone else, but in many ways it's all the same.Ikarti wrote:
You're quoting fucking Busta Rhymes. He's a rapper. An entertainer. Can you not separate entertainment from everything else?topthrill05 wrote:
Here is a quote from Bust Rhyms. "If your not from the ghetto stay the fuck away from the ghetto". Yeah we have a problem.
What about "If you're not from the suburbs, go away or I'll call the police"
Or "If you don't have a country club membership, we're not giving one to you anyway"
Or "If you're walking down the street minding your own business and I'm at a red light, I'm going to lock my doors"
EDIT: As for taking Eid off. Go for it. Worth a shot?
"EDIT: As for taking Eid off. Go for it. Worth a shot?" What is that supposed to mean? And do you have something against me? I don't think I have done anything too you before.
As for the Eid comment, if you feel so strongly about Muslims having off on Christmas, take Eid off. I'm an atheist. I take whatever day I have off off. I really don't feel in the wrong there. They don't celebrate Christmas in Saudi Arabia, you realize?
Another thing...remember when Ray Nagin said his little "Chocolate city" comment? Barely anything happened. Now, if Bloomberg were to say "I want this to be a vanilla city" he'd have his ass fired in 1 day.
Ah, the wonders of "racism."
Ah, the wonders of "racism."
LOL, this whole thread is funny. The people who supposedly wanted a "color blind" society, don't really want it. Whatever happened to the old "we are all red on the inside" attitude. Maybe one day there will be a cure for skin pigmentation so we can all be translucent, then we can all go back to hating gays.
I remeber having a convo with a black person
it was like "Oi rice crispies"..."Ya what coco pops"
then "bring it milky bar"..."Ill fucking take ya down DAIRY MILK!!!!"
it went on....was funny
at the end of the day there racist more than we are and they know it.
it was like "Oi rice crispies"..."Ya what coco pops"
then "bring it milky bar"..."Ill fucking take ya down DAIRY MILK!!!!"
it went on....was funny
at the end of the day there racist more than we are and they know it.
I think an interesting little phenomenon here is this attitude of "Big deal, I think they're more racist than we are." Well you know what, that's their problem then, and you're certainly not addressing your own problems by deflecting attention to them.scottomus0 wrote:
I remeber having a convo with a black person
it was like "Oi rice crispies"..."Ya what coco pops"
then "bring it milky bar"..."Ill fucking take ya down DAIRY MILK!!!!"
it went on....was funny
at the end of the day there racist more than we are and they know it.
Not targeting you in particular scott, your post just sparked that observation for me. A ton of people come in here and have said similar things about them being more racist. I once heard a definition of racism involving the ability to oppress, and I'll tell you that at least in America, they're oppressing no one.
I had a lovely altercation with a man at the airport the other day. I take my ticket up to the counter to check in check my bags and such. Keep in mind I had first class tickets. I paid for them on the internet like just about every other American does. with my own money that I worked hard for. the guy behind me starts going on about how he deserved those tickets more than I do and that I should feel sorry for enslaving his people. So I asked him which country he was from, and which tribe he belonged to so I could mail tickets for all of his tribesmen. He said that he was from Baltimore. In which case I promptly told him I don't remember any country of that name in Africa. I then told him that my family was a group of poor German coal miners in Illinois that didn't own any slaves and that I owe him nothing. I suggested that he get a job and save up for his plane tickets just like I did if he wanted to fly first class, either that or stop buying expensive clothes and live within his budget.
Cameronpoe, isn't it about time you stop taking the blame and assigning the blame for all the injustices for the past 2000 years on America the Jews or the whites?CameronPoe wrote:
I don't like racism but to be honest we 'snowflakes' should understand why some might be racist towards us given how deplorably racist we have been since time began.
YOU and I did nothing to deserve the treatment that the author describes ( if you see his point in the first place that is ) WE were never slave owners, I was barley even alive during the civil rights movement. You probably weren't even that. The worlds injustices by America or Ireland or Israel or Spain or Canada or England or Germany over past milennia is NOT our fault. We owe nobody anything. It doesn't give ANYONE the right to act the way they do NOW toward us as a nation or as a people..
Here is strickly an opnion and an observation:
It seems to me they biggest problem of racism in this country does NOT stem from everyday ordinary Americans. I think the the problems stem from the NAACP, Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, the KKK, the American Nazi movement, Davis Duke, Robert Byrd ( though not so much anymore I guess) Cynthia Mckinney. Who, would ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL be outta work if they weren't in the heat of the kitchen stirring the racial pot, getting the rest of us all worked up over shit that probably wouldn't amount t omuch otherwise.
It seems to me they biggest problem of racism in this country does NOT stem from everyday ordinary Americans. I think the the problems stem from the NAACP, Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, the KKK, the American Nazi movement, Davis Duke, Robert Byrd ( though not so much anymore I guess) Cynthia Mckinney. Who, would ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL be outta work if they weren't in the heat of the kitchen stirring the racial pot, getting the rest of us all worked up over shit that probably wouldn't amount t omuch otherwise.
I believe you are mistaking Poe's sentiment for guilt, when it is in fact (guiltless) empathy.lowing wrote:
Cameronpoe, isn't it about time you stop taking the blame and assigning the blame for all the injustices for the past 2000 years on America the Jews or the whites?CameronPoe wrote:
I don't like racism but to be honest we 'snowflakes' should understand why some might be racist towards us given how deplorably racist we have been since time began.
YOU and I did nothing to deserve the treatment that the author describes ( if you see his point in the first place that is ) WE were never slave owners, I was barley even alive during the civil rights movement. You probably weren't even that. The worlds injustices by America or Ireland or Israel or Spain or Canada or England or Germany over past milennia is NOT our fault. We owe nobody anything. It doesn't give ANYONE the right to act the way they do NOW toward us as a nation or as a people..
No, he is once again, trying to justify their behavior toward us,j ust like in all the other threads.The_Shipbuilder wrote:
I believe you are mistaking Poe's sentiment for guilt, when it is in fact (guiltless) empathy.lowing wrote:
Cameronpoe, isn't it about time you stop taking the blame and assigning the blame for all the injustices for the past 2000 years on America the Jews or the whites?CameronPoe wrote:
I don't like racism but to be honest we 'snowflakes' should understand why some might be racist towards us given how deplorably racist we have been since time began.
YOU and I did nothing to deserve the treatment that the author describes ( if you see his point in the first place that is ) WE were never slave owners, I was barley even alive during the civil rights movement. You probably weren't even that. The worlds injustices by America or Ireland or Israel or Spain or Canada or England or Germany over past milennia is NOT our fault. We owe nobody anything. It doesn't give ANYONE the right to act the way they do NOW toward us as a nation or as a people..
Nope, lowing. You're wrong, as usual.lowing wrote:
No, he is once again, trying to justify their behavior toward us,j ust like in all the other threads.The_Shipbuilder wrote:
I believe you are mistaking Poe's sentiment for guilt, when it is in fact (guiltless) empathy.lowing wrote:
Cameronpoe, isn't it about time you stop taking the blame and assigning the blame for all the injustices for the past 2000 years on America the Jews or the whites?
YOU and I did nothing to deserve the treatment that the author describes ( if you see his point in the first place that is ) WE were never slave owners, I was barley even alive during the civil rights movement. You probably weren't even that. The worlds injustices by America or Ireland or Israel or Spain or Canada or England or Germany over past milennia is NOT our fault. We owe nobody anything. It doesn't give ANYONE the right to act the way they do NOW toward us as a nation or as a people..
Shipbuilder is right. And by the way, CameronPoe doesn't want us all dead, which is the delusion which has poisoned lowings judgement since day 1.
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LOL nope spearhead you are wrong as usual.....( whatever kind of response that is)Spearhead wrote:
Nope, lowing. You're wrong, as usual.lowing wrote:
No, he is once again, trying to justify their behavior toward us,j ust like in all the other threads.The_Shipbuilder wrote:
I believe you are mistaking Poe's sentiment for guilt, when it is in fact (guiltless) empathy.
Shipbuilder is right. And by the way, CameronPoe doesn't want us all dead, which is the delusion which has poisoned lowings judgement since day 1.
I really don't remember where I said Cameronpoe "wanted us all dead" or any variation of that sentiment. Perhaps you can show me. Then we will talk about impaired judgement.
Cameronpoe, do you recall me ever accusing you of wanting us all dead??
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i love getting into arguements with other ethnicites on this exact topic.
they call me "honky" or "cracker" and i call them black...or even coloured...all of a sudden IM the racist.
i mean, holy shit, i might as well pulled out the heavy artillery with the N-word, and other various racist terms.
a black guy was caught stealing from a store when i was there. the clerk (who was middle eastern) told him to give him what he took and get the fuck out of the store...so the black guy goes, "WHAT CAUSE IM BLACK?!?! you're a fucking racist."
why do they have to use their colour as an excuse when they get caught red handed. i cant f*cking stand it...
for instance, rap breeds a lot of hatred towards caucasians, "fuck you honky....yo yo yo...ill bust a cap in yo ass" and it is accepted by ppl. if some white guy came out "fuck you nigger....blah blah blah" then they are the racist ones...but when its a black or other ethnicity it is just accepted.
also the fact of "Affirmative action"...now the police and fire departments are hiring ppl based on colour. when i wrote my police exam i HAD to get a 4.7 out of 5.0 just to be looked at...blacks could score 4.4 and still get looked at, while native americans could score 4.2 and still get in....
so why would they accept someone who is less qualified just because they need to fill their "colour quota". when it relates to public safety i would have hoped that they would hire the best possible ppl. not ppl based on their colour...that is a fucking joke.
so you have this really smart white guy or asian guy who smokes the test...but they get passed up because some black or native got a LOWER score...that is fucking ridiculous...
its gotten to the point where everything is reverse racism. whites used to "rule" the place ( i use that term very loosely). we dictated what did what and where....now we are called racists for being proud of our heritage, or believing certain things....
society today BREEDS racism...it doesnt help to solve it. it's simply shifted focus
(im not an overly racist person, i just totally agree with that email and HAD to get it off my chest.lol)
they call me "honky" or "cracker" and i call them black...or even coloured...all of a sudden IM the racist.
i mean, holy shit, i might as well pulled out the heavy artillery with the N-word, and other various racist terms.
a black guy was caught stealing from a store when i was there. the clerk (who was middle eastern) told him to give him what he took and get the fuck out of the store...so the black guy goes, "WHAT CAUSE IM BLACK?!?! you're a fucking racist."
why do they have to use their colour as an excuse when they get caught red handed. i cant f*cking stand it...
for instance, rap breeds a lot of hatred towards caucasians, "fuck you honky....yo yo yo...ill bust a cap in yo ass" and it is accepted by ppl. if some white guy came out "fuck you nigger....blah blah blah" then they are the racist ones...but when its a black or other ethnicity it is just accepted.
also the fact of "Affirmative action"...now the police and fire departments are hiring ppl based on colour. when i wrote my police exam i HAD to get a 4.7 out of 5.0 just to be looked at...blacks could score 4.4 and still get looked at, while native americans could score 4.2 and still get in....
so why would they accept someone who is less qualified just because they need to fill their "colour quota". when it relates to public safety i would have hoped that they would hire the best possible ppl. not ppl based on their colour...that is a fucking joke.
so you have this really smart white guy or asian guy who smokes the test...but they get passed up because some black or native got a LOWER score...that is fucking ridiculous...
its gotten to the point where everything is reverse racism. whites used to "rule" the place ( i use that term very loosely). we dictated what did what and where....now we are called racists for being proud of our heritage, or believing certain things....
society today BREEDS racism...it doesnt help to solve it. it's simply shifted focus
(im not an overly racist person, i just totally agree with that email and HAD to get it off my chest.lol)
You imply it in everything you post. You believe people either support the war or support the terrorists. And don't tell me something different, because almost every post you've made proves that point. You imply that in almost every post, than when someone points it out, you imply they have impaired judgement. It's all implications with you, so you can always fall back and say "Well, I didn't REALLY say that".lowing wrote:
LOL nope spearhead you are wrong as usual.....( whatever kind of response that is)Spearhead wrote:
Nope, lowing. You're wrong, as usual.lowing wrote:
No, he is once again, trying to justify their behavior toward us,j ust like in all the other threads.
Shipbuilder is right. And by the way, CameronPoe doesn't want us all dead, which is the delusion which has poisoned lowings judgement since day 1.
I really don't remember where I said Cameronpoe "wanted us all dead" or any variation of that sentiment. Perhaps you can show me. Then we will talk about impaired judgement.
Cameronpoe, do you recall me ever accusing you of wanting us all dead??
Quite frankly, most of this is a waste of time. The libs will never convince the neo cons, and vice versa. It's usually just a long chain of exchanging reasons until it turns into a flame war.
As far as this whole racism thing goes, the fact still remains that blacks are part of the lower classes of America, and they DO have some right to dislike some white people. Not all, but some. And there are plenty of blacks who don't like the black hostility towards whites, either. But the way some of you say it on these forums makes it sound as if blacks are taking over, and that you're victims of injustice.
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ahahaha my friend was telling me about when he was in white castle (mostly all black) and him and his friend where talking then he stood up and yelled you hate me cause Um white! lol the whole place just went silent and stared at him. O yeah I also love how whenever a white person says nigger even if its not serious they are a rasist but if somone of another color says it it is ok. IE you hear black people all the time walking around sup nigger fuck you nigger stuff like that. They are always saying how hurtfull the word is and it is basicly calling them a slave yet they walk around saying it every 5 seconds.
I'm white and I got called nigger on the bus once...but that was by some drunk 14yo skank who kept going on about being from LA and why you carry a gun...
I'm very sad after I read through all these pages.
Why can't you live beside each other peacefully?
Why do you need to be pride of your colour? Being white doesn't necessarily defines that you are good or more educated. (Just read some comments here...no comment)
Be proud of yourself, the real good things you do or have done in your life. Be proud of what you achieved.
Seriously most of you are judging whole races because of one bad encounter with an individual from a different race.
I'm white and I'm neither proud nor ashamed of it. Why would I? It's only a colour and it won't mark me as a winner or a looser for my whole life. The great thing in being a human is that you have the possibility for free will. The choice is yours what to do with your life, how you want to live it. But don't expect much sympathy from other people if you act with hostility and hate towards them.
I could go on for pages...but I won't.
The last thing I'd like to ask you is to learn tolerate other people opinions. Even if you think it's totally stupid, don't react with comments like STFU etc.
Be a bit more diplomatic, tolerant and belive me your life will be changed...and it will be a much more pleasant experience.
Why can't you live beside each other peacefully?
Why do you need to be pride of your colour? Being white doesn't necessarily defines that you are good or more educated. (Just read some comments here...no comment)
Be proud of yourself, the real good things you do or have done in your life. Be proud of what you achieved.
Seriously most of you are judging whole races because of one bad encounter with an individual from a different race.
I'm white and I'm neither proud nor ashamed of it. Why would I? It's only a colour and it won't mark me as a winner or a looser for my whole life. The great thing in being a human is that you have the possibility for free will. The choice is yours what to do with your life, how you want to live it. But don't expect much sympathy from other people if you act with hostility and hate towards them.
I could go on for pages...but I won't.
The last thing I'd like to ask you is to learn tolerate other people opinions. Even if you think it's totally stupid, don't react with comments like STFU etc.
Be a bit more diplomatic, tolerant and belive me your life will be changed...and it will be a much more pleasant experience.
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