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Best American President Ever...

George Washington9%9% - 22
Thomas Jefferson3%3% - 8
Abraham Lincoln13%13% - 32
Ulysses S. Grant0%0% - 2
John F. Kennedy13%13% - 31
Franklin Delano Roosevelt12%12% - 30
Ronald Reagan15%15% - 37
Bill Clinton14%14% - 35
George W. Bush8%8% - 20
Other7%7% - 17
Total: 234
2006-08-24 00:24:12
unnamednewbie13
Moderator
+2,053|7016|PNW

ﻍﻏﺱﺖﻇﻸﮚ wrote:

Harry S Truman

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

Why isn't Nixon up there?
Hey why isnt the worst US president on this list of best presidents? Oh he's there GWBush ..I mean why isn't the second worst president ever Nixon there?
I wouldn't think that Nixon would be worse than, say, James Buchanan. For his (Nixon) being so villanized by the left, people tend to forget about the beginnings EPA and NOAA, as well as the withdrawel of troops from Vietnam, ABMT, etc. I blame Nixon's rep on schoolbooks' spamming of WATERGATEWATERGATEWATERGATE while ignoring everything else.

Last edited by unnamednewbie13 (2006-08-24 02:13:31)

2006-08-24 00:27:52
Miller
IT'S MILLER TIME!
+271|7000|United States of America

TrollmeaT wrote:

I'll always like carter , he wasn't a very good president but at least he had the vision to try & legalize marijuana.
I always liked George W. Bush, he wasn't a very good president but at least he had the vision to try & protect America.
2006-08-24 00:36:21
CameronPoe
Member
+2,925|6799

Miller wrote:

TrollmeaT wrote:

I'll always like carter , he wasn't a very good president but at least he had the vision to try & legalize marijuana.
I always liked George W. Bush, he wasn't a very good president but at least he had the vision to try & protect America.
LOL. Like when he ignored the report that Al Qaeda were planning to use planes to attack America?
2006-08-24 02:53:24
Deaths_Sandman
WOoKie
+6|6747|Florida, USA
Reagan FTW. If more people thought along the same lines as him as far as economics I think we would be in damn good shape.
2006-08-24 02:58:56
CameronPoe
Member
+2,925|6799
I'm finding it hard to believe Clinton is on a par with JFK and Abe Lincoln.
2006-08-24 04:00:14
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6895|USA

Spearhead wrote:

I'm not really old enough to know what Clinton was like so I'll have to base it on what I've heard.  And from what I've heard, FDR was the best.  Lifting America from the Great Depression, helping win WW2, making America one of the most important countries in the world, and best of all, he was a democrat!
Now, wait a minute, if you are not even old enough to know Clinton then you are pretty damn young. How can you even have an opinion on liberal, concervative, democrat or republican? You have not finanically felt the wrath or rewards from either. I suspect, that you are more so against Bush because it is the popular, hippie, thing to do, more than any other reason. How old are you anyway??
2006-08-24 04:10:16
fadedsteve
GOP Sympathizer
+266|6734|Menlo Park, CA

=OBS= EstebanRey wrote:

Here's a good question, who was the first 'President Of The United States'?
George Washington, was the first, and was THE BEST!!

NO QUESTION. . . . the thread stops at George Washington PERIOD!
2006-08-24 04:56:05
TrollmeaT
Aspiring Objectivist
+492|6916|Colorado

CameronPoe wrote:

Miller wrote:

TrollmeaT wrote:

I'll always like carter , he wasn't a very good president but at least he had the vision to try & legalize marijuana.
I always liked George W. Bush, he wasn't a very good president but at least he had the vision to try & protect America.
LOL. Like when he ignored the report that Al Qaeda were planning to use planes to attack America?
How about when he denied needed funding too rebuild the dikes in Louisiana? LOL
protect america my ass he has a personal agenda, to get rich or die tryin'
2006-08-24 04:56:13
Kaosdad
Whisky Tango Foxtrot?
+201|6923|Broadlands, VA
When rating Presidents you have to remember that they inherit everything from the guy before, good or bad.  It takes about three years for any economic policies that a president signes into lae to really take effect.  So, if you thought life under Clinton was good (Monica thought so ), thank the guy before.  The only time a sitting president can take credit is if he's in for two consecutive terms.  Then in his second term he reaps the results of what he did in term one.

Reagan came out swinging in the campaign.  Carter had zero chance of winning from day one.  By the time Reagan took The Oath, the world was already saying "Uh oh!  This guy is just a little scary but means business."


Oh, and don't villainize Nixon too much.  His only real crime was getting caught.  There is plenty of evidence that the elections of all the other folks on that list (except for Washington {not elected - appointed} and Carter {too wimpy}) had plenty of espionage going on.  Nixon failed becuase he hired idiots.
2006-08-24 08:44:00
oug
Calmer than you are.
+380|6763|Πάϊ
Oh cmon Cam where's Richard Nixon??????
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2006-08-24 08:53:26
Ikarti
Banned - for ever.
+231|6953|Wilmington, DE, US

Kaosdad008 wrote:

When rating Presidents you have to remember that they inherit everything from the guy before, good or bad.  It takes about three years for any economic policies that a president signes into lae to really take effect.  So, if you thought life under Clinton was good (Monica thought so ), thank the guy before.  The only time a sitting president can take credit is if he's in for two consecutive terms.  Then in his second term he reaps the results of what he did in term one.

Reagan came out swinging in the campaign.  Carter had zero chance of winning from day one.  By the time Reagan took The Oath, the world was already saying "Uh oh!  This guy is just a little scary but means business."
However, Clinton was also in for 8 years. So Reagan's first 4 years were thanks to Carter, and Clinton's first 4 is thanks to Bush I, but we shouldn't blame Bush II because it's Clinton's fault? I apologize if this isn't what you're trying to say, but I've seen a similar line of reasoning that attempts to prove "Republicans good/Democrats bad." Overly simplistic.
2006-08-24 09:06:56
jonsimon
Member
+224|6739

Ikarti wrote:

Kaosdad008 wrote:

When rating Presidents you have to remember that they inherit everything from the guy before, good or bad.  It takes about three years for any economic policies that a president signes into lae to really take effect.  So, if you thought life under Clinton was good (Monica thought so ), thank the guy before.  The only time a sitting president can take credit is if he's in for two consecutive terms.  Then in his second term he reaps the results of what he did in term one.

Reagan came out swinging in the campaign.  Carter had zero chance of winning from day one.  By the time Reagan took The Oath, the world was already saying "Uh oh!  This guy is just a little scary but means business."
However, Clinton was also in for 8 years. So Reagan's first 4 years were thanks to Carter, and Clinton's first 4 is thanks to Bush I, but we shouldn't blame Bush II because it's Clinton's fault? I apologize if this isn't what you're trying to say, but I've seen a similar line of reasoning that attempts to prove "Republicans good/Democrats bad." Overly simplistic.
And besides, it only applies to policy changes that are slow moving and require 4 years to take affect. Changes in defense, for example, can often be immediate (like an invasion).
2006-08-24 10:12:14
GATOR591957
Member
+84|6871

Deaths_Sandman wrote:

Reagan FTW. If more people thought along the same lines as him as far as economics I think we would be in damn good shape.
Who was it that deregulated-regulated the oil companies..... Oh yea now I remember....Reagan.
2006-08-24 10:23:37
Miller
IT'S MILLER TIME!
+271|7000|United States of America

TrollmeaT wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

Miller wrote:

I always liked George W. Bush, he wasn't a very good president but at least he had the vision to try & protect America.
LOL. Like when he ignored the report that Al Qaeda were planning to use planes to attack America?
How about when he denied needed funding too rebuild the dikes in Louisiana? LOL
protect america my ass he has a personal agenda, to get rich or die tryin'
First to the Al Qaeda plan.  We receive hundreds of threats daily from terrorists and radicals.  They really, never do attack like they said they would in those letters, so, like any president would, they just passed by. To the funding for the Dikes in Louisiana:  I agree with what he did, they got enough donations that no funding was needed, even if they never did get enough donations it wouldn't matter, the damage had already been done. 

Yes, I think Bush has a personal agenda, which president never had one? For one, Clinton had his agenda, screwing monica, then lying to the american people that he didnt screw her, then sayin he did lie about screwing her.  When someone takes oath, they typically swear to not lie, clinton did this.  They can keep things classified to the public, but they can't lie.  Clinton lied, for that I believe he should have been thrown out of office immediately.  Not only did he also receive letters from terrorists daily but he also ignored them as they very very rarely were ever put into action.  Though when they attempted to blow the WTC buildings when he was in office, no one cared, they blew it off.  Bush is a republican, that is the only reason you people don't like him, he has different views.  Good views in my opinion.  I back him in everything he wants to do in Iraq, or the middle east in general.

Last edited by Miller (2006-08-24 10:25:07)

2006-08-24 10:25:11
starkingdoms
Member
+6|7015
89 cents a gallon for gas, peace, and economic prosperity!

what else do you need???
2006-08-24 10:28:59
Chuckles
Member
+32|6792

Kaosdad008 wrote:

When rating Presidents you have to remember that they inherit everything from the guy before, good or bad.  It takes about three years for any economic policies that a president signes into lae to really take effect.  So, if you thought life under Clinton was good (Monica thought so ), thank the guy before.  The only time a sitting president can take credit is if he's in for two consecutive terms.  Then in his second term he reaps the results of what he did in term one.
So when the economy was just BOOMING in the late 90's we can thank Clinton's first term, yes?  Especially since he was in for two consecutive terms?  And conversely we can thank GWB for what's goign on now because of his first term, right?

I want to know who the hell voted for Grant or Bush II. 

How the hell did Grant even get on this list Cameron?  Why not William Henry Harrison while we're at it?

By the way, I chose FDR.  Helped pull us out of the great depression, got us most of the way through WWII, and had a fire hot wife.
2006-08-24 10:30:40
jonsimon
Member
+224|6739

Miller wrote:

TrollmeaT wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:


LOL. Like when he ignored the report that Al Qaeda were planning to use planes to attack America?
How about when he denied needed funding too rebuild the dikes in Louisiana? LOL
protect america my ass he has a personal agenda, to get rich or die tryin'
First to the Al Qaeda plan.  We receive hundreds of threats daily from terrorists and radicals.  They really, never do attack like they said they would in those letters, so, like any president would, they just passed by. To the funding for the Dikes in Louisiana:  I agree with what he did, they got enough donations that no funding was needed, even if they never did get enough donations it wouldn't matter, the damage had already been done. 

Yes, I think Bush has a personal agenda, which president never had one? For one, Clinton had his agenda, screwing monica, then lying to the american people that he didnt screw her, then sayin he did lie about screwing her.  When someone takes oath, they typically swear to not lie, clinton did this.  They can keep things classified to the public, but they can't lie.  Clinton lied, for that I believe he should have been thrown out of office immediately.  Not only did he also receive letters from terrorists daily but he also ignored them as they very very rarely were ever put into action.  Though when they attempted to blow the WTC buildings when he was in office, no one cared, they blew it off.  Bush is a republican, that is the only reason you people don't like him, he has different views.  Good views in my opinion.  I back him in everything he wants to do in Iraq, or the middle east in general.
Where'd you get this threats daily idea? Did hannity and colmes let you in on it or did you make it up yourself?
2006-08-24 10:31:40
jonsimon
Member
+224|6739

Chuckles wrote:

Kaosdad008 wrote:

When rating Presidents you have to remember that they inherit everything from the guy before, good or bad.  It takes about three years for any economic policies that a president signes into lae to really take effect.  So, if you thought life under Clinton was good (Monica thought so ), thank the guy before.  The only time a sitting president can take credit is if he's in for two consecutive terms.  Then in his second term he reaps the results of what he did in term one.
So when the economy was just BOOMING in the late 90's we can thank Clinton's first term, yes?  Especially since he was in for two consecutive terms?  And conversely we can thank GWB for what's goign on now because of his first term, right?

I want to know who the hell voted for Grant or Bush II. 

How the hell did Grant even get on this list Cameron?  Why not William Henry Harrison while we're at it?

By the way, I chose FDR.  Helped pull us out of the great depression, got us most of the way through WWII, and had a fire hot wife.
WILLIAM HENRY HARRISON FTW!

Everyone knows he didn't screw up ANYTHING while in office.
2006-08-24 10:32:45
Miller
IT'S MILLER TIME!
+271|7000|United States of America

jonsimon wrote:

Miller wrote:

TrollmeaT wrote:


How about when he denied needed funding too rebuild the dikes in Louisiana? LOL
protect america my ass he has a personal agenda, to get rich or die tryin'
First to the Al Qaeda plan.  We receive hundreds of threats daily from terrorists and radicals.  They really, never do attack like they said they would in those letters, so, like any president would, they just passed by. To the funding for the Dikes in Louisiana:  I agree with what he did, they got enough donations that no funding was needed, even if they never did get enough donations it wouldn't matter, the damage had already been done. 

Yes, I think Bush has a personal agenda, which president never had one? For one, Clinton had his agenda, screwing monica, then lying to the american people that he didnt screw her, then sayin he did lie about screwing her.  When someone takes oath, they typically swear to not lie, clinton did this.  They can keep things classified to the public, but they can't lie.  Clinton lied, for that I believe he should have been thrown out of office immediately.  Not only did he also receive letters from terrorists daily but he also ignored them as they very very rarely were ever put into action.  Though when they attempted to blow the WTC buildings when he was in office, no one cared, they blew it off.  Bush is a republican, that is the only reason you people don't like him, he has different views.  Good views in my opinion.  I back him in everything he wants to do in Iraq, or the middle east in general.
Where'd you get this threats daily idea? Did hannity and colmes let you in on it or did you make it up yourself?
The White house recieves threats daily, we always have.  They just don't tell the public about most of them because they don't want to start a nation wide panic that something will kill everyone.  And no Hannity and colmes is not where I got that, I believe it was CNN somewhere two days after the 9/11 attacks.  When everyone could unite to kill these terrorist bastards.
2006-08-24 10:39:11
Chuckles
Member
+32|6792

Miller wrote:

Yes, I think Bush has a personal agenda, which president never had one? For one, Clinton had his agenda, screwing monica, then lying to the american people that he didnt screw her, then sayin he did lie about screwing her.  When someone takes oath, they typically swear to not lie, clinton did this.  They can keep things classified to the public, but they can't lie.  Clinton lied, for that I believe he should have been thrown out of office immediately.  Not only did he also receive letters from terrorists daily but he also ignored them as they very very rarely were ever put into action.  Though when they attempted to blow the WTC buildings when he was in office, no one cared, they blew it off.  Bush is a republican, that is the only reason you people don't like him, he has different views.  Good views in my opinion.  I back him in everything he wants to do in Iraq, or the middle east in general.
What did Clinton's philandering have to do with anything?  So he screwed a chubby intern.  Did anyone die?  Did anyone's cost of living go up? 

Here's the oath of office the President takes.  Show me where it says he can't lie about marital infidelity.

"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States. "

It does however say that they will, to the best of their ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States.  Some might say GWB is not quite holding up to that oath, what with holding folks without trial, wiretapping, etc.

Bush is a republican, and I suspect that is the only reason you like him.  Clinton is a democrat.  I bet that's why you hate him.

Also, just so you're aware, your boy George recieved several warnings that Al Qaeda was planning a major terrorist attack on the US in the months leading up to 9/11 and ignored them.  No one cared, they blew it off.  What's that all about?  Why is it ok for GWB to ignore those threats but not Clinton?

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2006-08-24 11:20:13
Horseman 77
Banned
+160|7081

one_of_ten wrote:

Kennedy, because of the Cuban missile stuff, bla bla bla .....
It was called " The Cuban missile crisis "

Not " the Cuban Missile triumph "

In my time it was Reagan. Most people here weren't around for what it was like before he took office.
2006-08-24 11:35:49
Horseman 77
Banned
+160|7081

Chuckles wrote:

Miller wrote:

Yes, I think Bush has a personal agenda, which president never had one? For one, Clinton had his agenda, screwing monica, then lying to the american people that he didnt screw her, then sayin he did lie about screwing her.  When someone takes oath, they typically swear to not lie, clinton did this.  They can keep things classified to the public, but they can't lie.  Clinton lied, for that I believe he should have been thrown out of office immediately.  Not only did he also receive letters from terrorists daily but he also ignored them as they very very rarely were ever put into action.  Though when they attempted to blow the WTC buildings when he was in office, no one cared, they blew it off.  Bush is a republican, that is the only reason you people don't like him, he has different views.  Good views in my opinion.  I back him in everything he wants to do in Iraq, or the middle east in general.
What did Clinton's philandering have to do with anything?  So he screwed a chubby intern.  Did anyone die?  Did anyone's cost of living go up? 

Here's the oath of office the President takes.  Show me where it says he can't lie about marital infidelity.
I see you had trouble connecting the dots. It was a law suit for slander brought by Paula Jones clinton suborned several witnesses and lied under oath. " I wasn't about hillary being to ugly to fuck. You try either and see how fast " you go to jail "

The economy started its decline under his administration. I didn't blame him nor do I credit him for its growth. He achieved nothing, didn't even try and deliver on even one campaign promise and was quickly eclipsed by history. Alas he is the " forgotten president "

PS lots of people died Many right in our own country while he had other things on his mind, Many people feel 911 was a direct and expected result of his " Blow up an empty tent then Cut and Run" or  "I didn't See that " policy on terrorism. He basicly waited it out and didnt act knowing it would be ( someone elses problem ) after 2000. Unfortunatly we all paid for it. Imagain if we confronted Hitler in 1938. Well clinton had his chance to do something  ( anything ) and didn't.
2006-08-24 14:15:58
Chuckles
Member
+32|6792

Horseman 77 wrote:

quote]
I see you had trouble connecting the dots. It was a law suit for slander brought by Paula Jones clinton suborned several witnesses and lied under oath. " I wasn't about hillary being to ugly to fuck. You try either and see how fast " you go to jail "

The economy started its decline under his administration. I didn't blame him nor do I credit him for its growth. He achieved nothing, didn't even try and deliver on even one campaign promise and was quickly eclipsed by history. Alas he is the " forgotten president "

PS lots of people died Many right in our own country while he had other things on his mind, Many people feel 911 was a direct and expected result of his " Blow up an empty tent then Cut and Run" or  "I didn't See that " policy on terrorism. He basically waited it out and didnt act knowing it would be ( someone elses problem ) after 2000. Unfortunatly we all paid for it. Imagain if we confronted Hitler in 1938. Well clinton had his chance to do something  ( anything ) and didn't.
I guess thought he was referring to his oath of office.  If he was talking about lying under oath, I apologize for that remark.  I still disagree that that's reason enough to kick him out office though.

I'd also disagree that he is the "forgotten president".  Anyone over 10 or 12 years old should remember him.  John Tyler might be a forgotten president, but I'd hardly say Clinton is.  Just look at how often his name comes up on these forums.  Eclipsed by history?  You mean all six plus years that have passed since he was in office?  That seems kinda short sighted.

And I don't think his administration was without accomplishment either.  The budget was balanced, the Family Medical Leave act, the Brady Bill, welfare reform, the communications decency act, and a minimum wage increase were all passed.  And the economy grew at a record rate.  The main thing the guy campaigned on was creating more jobs.  More jobs were created, unemployment dropped under his administration.  That's following up on campaign promises, isn't it?
2006-08-24 19:34:36
TrollmeaT
Aspiring Objectivist
+492|6916|Colorado

Miller wrote:

To the funding for the Dikes in Louisiana:  I agree with what he did, they got enough donations that no funding was needed, even if they never did get enough donations it wouldn't matter, the damage had already been done.
Donations were after the fact, he had the chance to bring the the dikes up to code, he choose not too, the disaster is directly attributable to him.
I don't subscribe to any side if you think I'm just a dem trying to bash bush.

Last edited by TrollmeaT (2006-08-24 19:36:49)

2006-08-24 19:51:40
Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|6825|SE London

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

ﻍﻏﺱﺖﻇﻸﮚ wrote:

Harry S Truman

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

Why isn't Nixon up there?
Hey why isnt the worst US president on this list of best presidents? Oh he's there GWBush ..I mean why isn't the second worst president ever Nixon there?
I wouldn't think that Nixon would be worse than, say, James Buchanan. For his (Nixon) being so villanized by the left, people tend to forget about the beginnings EPA and NOAA, as well as the withdrawel of troops from Vietnam, ABMT, etc. I blame Nixon's rep on schoolbooks' spamming of WATERGATEWATERGATEWATERGATE while ignoring everything else.
Nixon established diplomatic relations between China and the west. VERY IMPORTANT!

Think what life would be like now without cheap mass produced goods from China? The US government has also borrowed an awful lot of money from China.

Although really it was all Kissinger who set it up - but Nixon appointed him so......

There have been a lot of good presidents. Sadly not at the moment.

 

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