Pug
UR father's brother's nephew's former roommate
+652|6786|Texas - Bigger than France
AP story:
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/G/ … TE=DEFAULT

An American and Kiwi are being held.  The demands: release of all Muslim prisoners in U.S. jails by Saturday night.

Comments?

I'd also like to see if anyone wants to comment on the inequitable demands - what is the goal if the demands can't be met?
CameronPoe
Member
+2,925|6799
I saw that story a few days ago. I'm surprised there wasn't more of a hullabaloo. I have no idea what the ransom demands are about. Maybe they just WANT to kill them because they're from FOXsraeli News.
ghettoperson
Member
+1,943|6893

It's a shame they couldn't have kidnapped some of the Fox anchors...
jonsimon
Member
+224|6739

ghettoperson wrote:

It's a shame they couldn't have kidnapped some of the Fox anchors...
Yeah but I think the kidnappers knew we wouldn't WANT them back.
Ikarti
Banned - for ever.
+231|6953|Wilmington, DE, US

Pug wrote:

I'd also like to see if anyone wants to comment on the inequitable demands - what is the goal if the demands can't be met?
I think that's the point. I don't believe that they're sitting there believing that we'll do that. If the prisoners were watching the news, how many do you think would try converting to Islam ASAP? I think the goal's nothing more than a "fuck you, America." Was reading something that said usually when prisoners are taken, they immediately boast about it, they make outrageous demands, then they negotiate down to the release of a few prisoners or some jobs, let their captives go, and everyone has a good laugh about it. Doesn't seem the case now.
Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|6825|SE London

Release all muslims from US jails, lol.

Those journalists are fucked.

Still it's no less than FOX 'journalists' deserve (maybe a little harsh - but I've watched FOX news, wishing someone would kill all their correspondants and quick, many times) - FOX 'News' my arse.
Pug
UR father's brother's nephew's former roommate
+652|6786|Texas - Bigger than France
Please temper with respect...you may think they are a-holes for working for FOX...but they will be killed on Saturday in a symbolic gesture because they are not Palestinian. 

Although it sucks, A-hole journalists have a place in our society...somewhere....
Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|6825|SE London

Pug wrote:

Although it sucks, A-hole journalists have a place in our society...somewhere....
Yeah, about the same sort of place as a lot of lawyers.
Erkut.hv
Member
+124|6979|California
Agreed, name one news source that isn't biased.

Poe, Al-Jazeera doesn't count.
CameronPoe
Member
+2,925|6799

Erkut.hv wrote:

Agreed, name one news source that isn't biased.

Poe, Al-Jazeera doesn't count.
I rarely if ever quote Al-Jazeera. Their editorials are every bit as bad as those of FOX.
Phrozenbot
Member
+632|6860|do not disturb

ghettoperson wrote:

It's a shame they couldn't have kidnapped some of the Fox anchors...
Like Sean Hannity and make him be in sexually humiliating positions, like Joe Francis was.
SFCCDailey
Banned
+106|6959|USA
I think we need to start sending a message back to these asshat kidnappers! You kill and american then we kill 10 Muslim prisoners! You kill one with a gun we kill your 10 with a steak knife! Start fighting fire with fire! And make sure we broadcast it live on FOX NEWS!!!!!! LOL

Last edited by SFCCDailey (2006-08-24 09:38:27)

Erkut.hv
Member
+124|6979|California

CameronPoe wrote:

Erkut.hv wrote:

Agreed, name one news source that isn't biased.

Poe, Al-Jazeera doesn't count.
I rarely if ever quote Al-Jazeera. Their editorials are every bit as bad as those of FOX.
Forgot me sarcasm quotes, my apologies.
CameronPoe
Member
+2,925|6799

Erkut.hv wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

Erkut.hv wrote:

Agreed, name one news source that isn't biased.

Poe, Al-Jazeera doesn't count.
I rarely if ever quote Al-Jazeera. Their editorials are every bit as bad as those of FOX.
Forgot me sarcasm quotes, my apologies.
I assumed it was sarcasm but sometimes it is hard to tell.
jonsimon
Member
+224|6739

SFCCDailey wrote:

I think we need to start sending a message back to these asshat kidnappers! You kill and american then we kill 10 Muslim prisoners! You kill one with a gun we kill your 10 with a steak knife! Start fighting fire with fire! And make sure we broadcast it live on FOX NEWS!!!!!! LOL
Right, not only violate our own laws and international conventions, but spawn more hate while we're at it. Genius.
Pug
UR father's brother's nephew's former roommate
+652|6786|Texas - Bigger than France
So jonsimon, what should our response be to one dead American and one dead Kiwi?
jonsimon
Member
+224|6739

Pug wrote:

So jonsimon, what should our response be to one dead American and one dead Kiwi?
Arrest, trial, sentence. Just like it always has been. Why should this incident be any different?
Miller
IT'S MILLER TIME!
+271|7000|United States of America
So they happened to take FOX reporters.  They have killed someone and kidnapped someone from nearly every news channel now.  They don't care who they get.
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7001|Argentina

jonsimon wrote:

Pug wrote:

So jonsimon, what should our response be to one dead American and one dead Kiwi?
Arrest, trial, sentence. Just like it always has been. Why should this incident be any different?
Getting a baseball bat by the ass of two muslims, wouldn't make things better, the guys from Fox would still be dead.  You must get the people who did it, you must not take the first two muslims you see.
Pug
UR father's brother's nephew's former roommate
+652|6786|Texas - Bigger than France

jonsimon wrote:

Pug wrote:

So jonsimon, what should our response be to one dead American and one dead Kiwi?
Arrest, trial, sentence. Just like it always has been. Why should this incident be any different?
I agree with that...but wait...aren't they asking for the release of all US Arab prisoners?

If the group is doing the kidnapping to release all US Arab prisoners...won't there be a future reason for more killings?

Do you see the flaw?
Psycho
Member since 2005
+44|7020|Kansas, USA

jonsimon wrote:

SFCCDailey wrote:

I think we need to start sending a message back to these asshat kidnappers! You kill and american then we kill 10 Muslim prisoners! You kill one with a gun we kill your 10 with a steak knife! Start fighting fire with fire! And make sure we broadcast it live on FOX NEWS!!!!!! LOL
Right, not only violate our own laws and international conventions, but spawn more hate while we're at it. Genius.
I don't support that position. But, as he replied, what is the answer. There was the woman from the Christian Science Monitor that was kidnapped in Iraq and the demand ws that all female prisoners in Iraq be freed or they would kill her.

Am I missing something or isn't killing an innocent person worse than imprisoning someone who "may" not be guilty?

As for the remarks directed towards FOX news, they are pathetic. FOX news does lean to the right, but no more than most other news organizations lean to the left.
Tunacommy
Member
+56|6864|Massachusetts, USA
hahaha......I don't think they care WHO the kidnap, if they think it will piss off the west.

The interesting thing here is that the Palestinians have not historically kidnapped westerners (at least not for more than 2-3 hours!), and their demands do not coincide with the typical anti-Israli "get off my dirt" demands / position.  These guys aren't Palestinians....they are extremists from Iran fanning the flames to entice a reaction and escalate tensions in the middle east, which in turn helps them justify their nuclear ambitions. 

What we need to do is somehow turn North Korea against Iran and let them destroy each other......Hey Poe, draw up a plan for that would ya?
JahManRed
wank
+646|6872|IRELAND

The media is really in the shit in this war. 0.1% of American fatalities in Vietnam were journalist. In gulf war 1 it was rose to 10%. The numbers are still out for gulf war 2 but its high. Is this caused by media being so free to view across the Internet and satellite, insurgents see the war reported with bias and therefore the media is a target? Is it because the US bombed Al Jazera and had a plan to take her of air. Personally I think the insurgents are shooting themselves in the foot by killing reporters. The media has swung public opinion and support in all wars since cameras were invented. Reporters can only go out into Iraqi when escorted by military so they get a bias view of whats going on. If they were free to travel we would know more about whats going on on the ground. (my morning toilet time reading is a book on war and journalism since the American civil war. great shit.. pardon the pun)

Last edited by JahManRed (2006-08-24 11:55:57)

jonsimon
Member
+224|6739

Pug wrote:

jonsimon wrote:

Pug wrote:

So jonsimon, what should our response be to one dead American and one dead Kiwi?
Arrest, trial, sentence. Just like it always has been. Why should this incident be any different?
I agree with that...but wait...aren't they asking for the release of all US Arab prisoners?

If the group is doing the kidnapping to release all US Arab prisoners...won't there be a future reason for more killings?

Do you see the flaw?
I'm not going to analyze the antagonists' motives because I do not know them. But treating the situation in anything but a fair and orderly manner according to protocol is going to exacerbate the problem.

If their motive is simply to release islamic prisoners, than they are being unreasonable and the problem cannot be alleviated, only tolerated.

If their motive is something more complex and rational, such as to release all innocent islamic prisoners or all islamic prisoners held without trial, then the solution is obviously to try all the prisoners in a fair and orderly manner.

The compromise depends on their true motive.
Dersmikner
Member
+147|6742|Texas
My answer would be simple:

Find out who the guys in charge of that operation are, and hunt down and capture their mothers, fathers, brothers, sisters, children, and grandparents.

Feed them only pork and water. If they don't eat the pork, let them starve. Then send a demand letter to the Arab hostage takers, demanding the return of the two Fox hostages, and for every day that they aren't returned, brutally murder one of your hostages. Not only that, leave the bodies in the sun for 4 days after killing them. Make sure that part's known. It's a Muslim "getting into heaven" thing. All full of pork and not buried...

Kill every single one of them if you have to.

Brutal?

Sure, but you ass-rape some extremist's 13 year old daughter, choke her to death with a pork tenderloin, then leave her corpse in the road for a few days and I guaran-goddamned-tee you you'll have a hell of a lot fewer hostages taken. Hell, if you really want, just go ahead and murder every member of the guy's family and pile their bodies up, naked, where dogs can desecrate the corpses.

It's terrible to have to do something like that to any person, much less a 13 year old girl, but in the long run you'll save more lives, ours and theirs. If you talk about "getting along" and "tolerating" and give them Israel and then give them Spain (they're still pissed about losing it in 1425), and keep appeasing them when they fly Hezbollah and Hamas flags in Dearborn Michigan sooner or later you're going to end up with Planet Muslim.

I say reverse the terror 100 times worse and we'll see how many 18 to 45 year old Muslim men will be all fired up about blowing themselves up if they know that their mother is going to get gang-raped and killed by sex-starved life-sentence prisoners in Riker's. Go enjoy being with Allah pal, your Mom is about to take three dicks at once until she dies.

Fuck his neighbors over too, so they'll learn to start policing their own. Simple bullets will suffice for them. No rape necessary.

Call me a pig all you want, but my way ends all this bullshit in no time flat. Show them that it's over and you aren't taking any more shit, and they'll quit giving it. Keep pussing out the way we have been and we'll keep getting used.

Take just one of those guys' wife and cheese-grate her skin off and roll her in comet and tell the other ones that if the hostages aren't let go immediately the same will happen to their wives, and pretty soon the hostages will be free.

Take a gun to a knife fight.

Last edited by Dersmikner (2006-08-24 15:24:38)

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