May I see a link? The president in his press conferance said two days ago that 9.11 had nothing to do with Iraq... Shipbuilder give him the link.
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I suggest you read some.
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/P … 7uwabl.asp
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/P … 7uwabl.asp
Still think Iraq has NOTHING to do with Al Qaeda?Are Al Qaeda's links to Saddam Hussein's Iraq just a fantasy of the Bush administration? Hardly. The Clinton administration also warned the American public about those ties and defended its response to al Qaeda terror by citing an Iraqi connection.
Iraq also admitted to having a $199,000 contract with al Shifa for goods under the oil-for-food program.
WHOA there chief, I didn't say 9/11, I said Iraq and Al Qaeda, but yes there are speculations that they were behind, partly financially, 9/11 as well.cpt.fass1 wrote:
May I see a link? The president in his press conferance said two days ago that 9.11 had nothing to do with Iraq... Shipbuilder give him the link.
I suggest you actually do some hard reading. Go read (or at least the summary, jesus) The Third Terrorist by Jayna Davis
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/078526 … p;n=283155
It shows an OBVIOUS connection between the Oklahoma bombings and terrorist(s) in Iraq with connections later on to 9/11.
Time to step out of fantasy land.
I love how everything is followed up with Fantasy land? I'm not in a fantasy land, I heard the president say three days ago that Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. Now the man is suppose to not be an idiot, so why did those words come out of his mouth?
.... holy hellCapt_Flapjack wrote:
Bush is smarter than about 90% of the people in this forum. Thats why he's the most powerful man in the world and we just sit around and talk about him. This talk gets us no where. We have no way of getting him out on our own. He's not doing that bad of a job. He's doing more than Clinton at least.
Smarter then 90%... are you kidding me? possibly 10%.
He's the "most powerful man in the world" for many reasons, 1 he's rich, 2 he cheated, 3 america isnt a democracy and your quote just proved it...
he's doing a horrible job i know 1st graders that could run the country better (exaggeration, but still)
1) Ok So whatCommieChipmunk wrote:
1 he's rich, 2 he cheated, 3 america isnt a democracy and your quote just proved it...
2) HOW!????
3) Who's quote, and how in the hell does it prove that America isn't a democracy.
Yeah and if you watch loose change there's an obvious connection between our countries leaders and 9/11.. So what's your point? I should run out and tell everyone I killed "joan Bennett Ramsey" so I can get out of a bang kock jail.AlbertWesker[RE] wrote:
WHOA there chief, I didn't say 9/11, I said Iraq and Al Qaeda, but yes there are speculations that they were behind, partly financially, 9/11 as well.cpt.fass1 wrote:
May I see a link? The president in his press conferance said two days ago that 9.11 had nothing to do with Iraq... Shipbuilder give him the link.
I suggest you actually do some hard reading. Go read (or at least the summary, jesus) The Third Terrorist by Jayna Davis
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/078526 … p;n=283155
It shows an OBVIOUS connection between the Oklahoma bombings and terrorist(s) in Iraq with connections later on to 9/11.
Time to step out of fantasy land.
LMFAO LMFAOcpt.fass1 wrote:
Yeah and if you watch loose change there's an obvious connection between our countries leaders and 9/11.. So what's your point? I should run out and tell everyone I killed "joan Bennett Ramsey" so I can get out of a bang kock jail.
I have watched Loose Change and what a CROCK of shit...it supposes within the first 15 minutes that on 9/11 there were ONLY 3 single Jets capable of defending the country due to a military exercise. Do you have ANY idea how many jets we have in this country?????? Obviously they don't. Don't even try to quote some wacked out docu-crap ever again. And sorry for the fantasy land stuff, I have just been RE-EXPLAINING the same damn thing over again, its just getting repetitive, I'm sorry. My point is that YOU said that
And I showed a couple of facts and ideas that completely falsify your statement. That is my point. Loose change is a piece of garbage and you know it. Sure it raises some valid questions but it cannot be taken seriously. Cmon.cpt.fass1 wrote:
Iraq and Al Qaeda have nothing to do with each other (paraphrase)
*sigh*AlbertWesker[RE] wrote:
1) Ok So whatCommieChipmunk wrote:
1 he's rich, 2 he cheated, 3 america isnt a democracy and your quote just proved it...
2) HOW!????
3) Who's quote, and how in the hell does it prove that America isn't a democracy.
i hate you albert
1 you can only win the presidency if you're rich, which is completley ruins the point of a democracy (if you cant figure that one out your so arrogant that you should probably jump off a bridge)
2the electoral college got him in there, he didnt win in the actual # of votes.. i'd look for the link but i'm too tired, its back a ways.
3 "Thats why he's the most powerful man in the world", was the one i was refering to (makes him sound like a king, america is supposed to be governed by the people, not by a dumbass)
4 albert, go to sleep
WOW!!!! I don't think I ever said I hated someone on this forum, you Sir, are an ass. I just wanted some clarification, good job on being mature.CommieChipmunk wrote:
*sigh*
i hate you albert
1 you can only win the presidency if you're rich, which is completley ruins the point of a democracy (if you cant figure that one out your so arrogant that you should probably jump off a bridge)
2the electoral college got him in there, he didnt win in the actual # of votes.. i'd look for the link but i'm too tired, its back a ways.
3 "Thats why he's the most powerful man in the world", was the one i was refering to (makes him sound like a king, america is supposed to be governed by the people, not by a dumbass)
4 albert, go to sleep
1) I agree, the system is flawed.
2) !?!?!?!?!?! He won more than 3 million more popular votes than Kerry, or Are you talking about 2000? Once again CLARIFY
3) I don't know who said that, sorry, But yeah I agree with you.
4) Once again, ass.
Maybe next time you should not be such an.......ass, I agree with most of what your saying but you have to be so quick to rush to judgement. Good job.
Nice one Chipmunk, You tell me to go to bed yet your the one who runs away. Maybe next time you shouldn't be so edgy. Chill out man, lets try to have a mature conversation some time without spewing hate.
Basically:AlbertWesker[RE] wrote:
1) ORLY, I'll get to this in a moment.CameronPoe wrote:
1) 'Taking the fight to the terrorists'? The Iraqi government had nothing to do with 9/11.
2) If you or the other poster actually believe that Kerry being in power would mean 'total war in the middle east' and 'daily terror attacks in the west' then I'm sorry but you are deluded.
2) Nope sure don't, just pointing out your lack of ability to read properly. Yes we have made "progress" whether you like it or not in fighting terrorism, sure Iraq is fux, I agree, I never said it was a jewel of the middle east, thats for damn sure, but its far better than sitting the fux over here doing not a god damn thing waiting for crazy assed EXTREME Muslims (I made sure you SEE the word extreme this time).
1) O RLY? So why was Saddam meeting with Al Qaeda operatives and financees before we invaded and BEFORE 9/11, why were funds funneling from Iraq to Afghanistan through Zarqawi (Whos affiliated heavily with Al Qaeda) How do YOU know for SURE that Iraq had NOTHING to do with 9/11, that is my ONE and ONLY question to you. Lets see if you can answer it.
1) Your repsonse to terrorism is to blatantly ignore the root causes and fight it purely with violence, turning ever more moderates into extremists. I'm clear on that now. We'll have to agree to disagree on that.
2) You are a propaganda monkey it seems. Serious Iraq-Al Qaeda co-operation is as much bunkum as the 'Bush administration did 9/11' bunkum. I can remember the US media: 'an al qaeda man once received treatment in a Baghdad hospital'. OMG! Let's bomb Iraq! Saddam took a hardline against islamic extremists - such as Ansar Al Islam in the east of Kurdistan. He fought the Islamic Republic of Iran for 10 years for christ's sake. To use any of the ropey, dubious and tenuous links between Al Qaeda and the Iraqi government as a pretext or justification to go to war with Iraq is a joke.
Try not quoting the neo-con voicepiece 'The Weekly Standard' in debates: it damages your credibility.
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1-Ok.AlbertWesker[RE] wrote:
1) First of all, I wasn't trying to be offensive in any way, calm down, I was only inferring that you may not understand fully as much as I.sergeriver wrote:
1) The outsider issue mmm? Nice form to express.
2) Anyway, I have relatives in your country, it's my own Cia.
3) You and me were probably watching the same fuckin CNN. So...
4) Anyway, Ohio does matter, if Kerry would won those votes he'd be president. I think the number is 271 vs. 265 electoral votes if Kerry had Ohio. It's the second election that smells to fraud.
2) Ok....
3) I prefer not to get my bad news from CNN (James Bond movie quote)
4) Yeah, we already cleared that up, I mis stated something, if you knew how to read, you'd know that by now and would not have brought it up, unless you're being an ass or something. At any rate, no big deal. Back to the topic, how did Bush graduate from college, let alone an Ivy school by being an idiot?
2-Ok.
3-You get your good news from... Fox may be.
4-That's the problem here, nobody thinks that the guy is mental retarded, he did graduate from college, so? I did too so? And you know which is the most important part to get the MBA, the application (who might helped him with that) nobody fails in approving it. This guy has a lack of ability to be president of the country. He's not an idiot literaly, but for presidency he's.
Wow, twice? Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me, can't fool me again...lolcomet241 wrote:
i think he's a crap public speaker, but he is far from being an idiot. I voted for him, twice, and I can't speak in public, so why should I hold it against that guy????
the point was the election was a larger majority for bush than the previous one.....meaning: more people than before wanted him president.CameronPoe wrote:
Hooray for relativity!!comet241 wrote:
bush won ohio in 04 by about 136,000 votes. thats a landslide compared to florida i 00
please read my post in full. claiming fraud and conspiracy is just the losers way of dealing with defeat. I gave this advice earlier. if you are so disappointed with the results, move here, gain citizenship, throw your vote in with the hundreds of millions of others and vote him out of office.sergeriver wrote:
The outsider issue mmm? Nice form to express. Anyway, I have relatives in your country, it's my own Cia. You and me were probably watching the same fuckin CNN. So...comet241 wrote:
ok, i was going to respond, but you covered pretty well.AlbertWesker[RE] wrote:
1) I don't think thats what he meant, he only meant that you as an outsider obviously has less direct knowledge of what happened here, I think its safe to say thats true.
2) Well it depends on what you thought he meant, sure Gore had more popular votes but electoral votes are all that matters. He only said you need one more vote than the other guy. Well yeah one more electoral vote, don't be so quick to assume
3) Ummm no!? Ohio was locked up, ok look at these facts:
A) More people voted in the last election than only a couple other elections in the history of the US.
B) Bush received ~4 MILLION more popular votes than Kerry.
C) Bush also received more than enough electoral votes from different states that Ohio didn't matter. (It usually does though)
And at least were on the same page that Kerry sucks
the outsider issue: you were not here during the elections, therefore you have less direct knowledge of what went on here than i did. that is a fact, pure and simple.
the vote issue: popular votes and electoral votes are still votes. you only need one more of each to win (popular to win the state, electoral to win the election)
ohio: what the hell do you mean stolen votes??? nobody steals votes. the only people who claim conspiracy and vote stealing are the people who cannot accept defeat. move on. focus on the next election. dwelling in the past will only bury you.
and jonsimon, please, please respond when you are back from wherever you are. your posts in the last couple days have made little to no sense at all.
Anyway, Ohio does matter, if Kerry would won those votes he'd be president. I think the number is 271 vs. 265 electoral votes if Kerry had Ohio. It's the second election that smells to fraud.
What? he's already been re-elected?
well, then..... the people have spoken.
70 % of the posters in this forum are children.
This was glaringly evident in the " What were you doing when you heard about 911 Post
It is indeed a fact that most people become Conservatives When they are out of school and living on their own learning lifes real lessons.
Draw your own conclusions.
This was glaringly evident in the " What were you doing when you heard about 911 Post
It is indeed a fact that most people become Conservatives When they are out of school and living on their own learning lifes real lessons.
Draw your own conclusions.
You're back! And you're not anymore intelligent! I'm a bit disappointed to be honest.Horseman 77 wrote:
70 % of the posters in this forum are children.
This was glaringly evident in the " What were you doing when you heard about 911 Post
It is indeed a fact that most people become Conservatives When they are out of school and living on their own learning lifes real lessons.
Draw your own conclusions.
Well here, to welcome you back, I'll give you some jingoistic slogans. Terrorists hate our freedom because it isn't free.
No thank you. I don't want a president that only makes decisions the "world" (e.g. the UN) would get behind. The president's job is to represent the interests of the United States, not the World - period. The reson the US is looked to as a world leader is because of our money and our military power.KnowMeByTrailOfDead wrote:
2 more years.....
Then we can pick some new dumbass from the pool and start over. So far this cycle sucks. When was the last time we had a quality prez or even a quality world leader? I am talking someone the world could really rally behind.
Most people like you become conservatives. Most university graduates over here tend to develop a social conscience.Horseman 77 wrote:
70 % of the posters in this forum are children.
This was glaringly evident in the " What were you doing when you heard about 911 Post
It is indeed a fact that most people become Conservatives When they are out of school and living on their own learning lifes real lessons.
Draw your own conclusions.
Who looks to the US to be the world leader? The Iraqis? The Iranians? Latin America? China? Russia? The vast ignored continent of Africa? Enlighten me.Psycho wrote:
No thank you. I don't want a president that only makes decisions the "world" (e.g. the UN) would get behind. The president's job is to represent the interests of the United States, not the World - period. The reson the US is looked to as a world leader is because of our money and our military power.KnowMeByTrailOfDead wrote:
2 more years.....
Then we can pick some new dumbass from the pool and start over. So far this cycle sucks. When was the last time we had a quality prez or even a quality world leader? I am talking someone the world could really rally behind.
I dont know about terrorist, But you just hate...period. enjoy!Ikarti wrote:
You're back! And you're not anymore intelligent! I'm a bit disappointed to be honest.Horseman 77 wrote:
70 % of the posters in this forum are children.
This was glaringly evident in the " What were you doing when you heard about 911 Post
It is indeed a fact that most people become Conservatives When they are out of school and living on their own learning lifes real lessons.
Draw your own conclusions.
Well here, to welcome you back, I'll give you some jingoistic slogans. Terrorists hate our freedom because it isn't free.
I have no intention of doing such thing. I'm fine here. Thanks anyway. If you can't take an opinion, the don't be in a debate forum. The people have spoken, yes. Good for you.comet241 wrote:
please read my post in full. claiming fraud and conspiracy is just the losers way of dealing with defeat. I gave this advice earlier. if you are so disappointed with the results, move here, gain citizenship, throw your vote in with the hundreds of millions of others and vote him out of office.sergeriver wrote:
The outsider issue mmm? Nice form to express. Anyway, I have relatives in your country, it's my own Cia. You and me were probably watching the same fuckin CNN. So...comet241 wrote:
ok, i was going to respond, but you covered pretty well.
the outsider issue: you were not here during the elections, therefore you have less direct knowledge of what went on here than i did. that is a fact, pure and simple.
the vote issue: popular votes and electoral votes are still votes. you only need one more of each to win (popular to win the state, electoral to win the election)
ohio: what the hell do you mean stolen votes??? nobody steals votes. the only people who claim conspiracy and vote stealing are the people who cannot accept defeat. move on. focus on the next election. dwelling in the past will only bury you.
and jonsimon, please, please respond when you are back from wherever you are. your posts in the last couple days have made little to no sense at all.
Anyway, Ohio does matter, if Kerry would won those votes he'd be president. I think the number is 271 vs. 265 electoral votes if Kerry had Ohio. It's the second election that smells to fraud.
What? he's already been re-elected?
well, then..... the people have spoken.
Not sure thing, I used to be conservative when I was a kid or teenager, and now I have my college degree and I'm married, have my own business, have my own house, and I became a liberal. It doesn't work in just one direction.Horseman 77 wrote:
70 % of the posters in this forum are children.
This was glaringly evident in the " What were you doing when you heard about 911 Post
It is indeed a fact that most people become Conservatives When they are out of school and living on their own learning lifes real lessons.
Draw your own conclusions.
Last edited by sergeriver (2006-08-24 07:47:29)
maybe you should take a little of your own advice. shouting conspiracy isn't really debating, it's an excuse. we're here to debate how smart the guy is, not whether you think the election was "stolen" as some claimsergeriver wrote:
I have no intention of doing such thing. I'm fine here. Thanks anyway. If you can't take an opinion, the don't be in a debate forum. The people have spoken, yes. Good for you.comet241 wrote:
please read my post in full. claiming fraud and conspiracy is just the losers way of dealing with defeat. I gave this advice earlier. if you are so disappointed with the results, move here, gain citizenship, throw your vote in with the hundreds of millions of others and vote him out of office.sergeriver wrote:
The outsider issue mmm? Nice form to express. Anyway, I have relatives in your country, it's my own Cia. You and me were probably watching the same fuckin CNN. So...
Anyway, Ohio does matter, if Kerry would won those votes he'd be president. I think the number is 271 vs. 265 electoral votes if Kerry had Ohio. It's the second election that smells to fraud.
What? he's already been re-elected?
well, then..... the people have spoken.